vitamin d vs d3

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mr bill
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   Posted 10/3/2010 7:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Just wondering how many of us are taking vitamin d3 or d and how much? I have been taking 1,000 iu d3 daily. Not sure if that is sufficient.  As you can see by para 3 in the below link vitamin d is considered a hormone compared to a vitamin supplement.
The article, which may be an ad, also proclaims cancer fighting attributes.
 
What do you think?
 
http://www.differencebetween.net/science/difference-between-vitamin-d-and-vitamin-d3/
Age 66
BPH since 2000. at least three negative biopsies Erie. Uro did not prescribe finasteride
2007 acute urine retention photoselective vaporize Clev. Clinic
8-9-10 Aug PSA rose to 10.14 with finasteride positive biopsy Cleveland gleason 9, cat & bone scan negative
9-8-10 Robotic prostatectomy at Cleveland. Biopsy 9 nodes, 2 positive,seminal & vas deferens
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mr bill
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   Posted 10/3/2010 7:53 PM (GMT -6)   

Herophilus
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   Posted 10/3/2010 8:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Not me....don't believe in it
Age 51 PSA 6.8
Bxy 10 of 12 Cores positive for Gleason 6. up to 75%
Robotic surg 11-03-09
Post op path. 20% neoplasm;4+3=7 Gleason
All nodes (14) and other related tissue negative for cancer
No EPE
Post op PSA x 3, all <0.01

daveshan
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   Posted 10/3/2010 9:12 PM (GMT -6)   
4000iu/day, 2000 in the morning and 2000 in the evening. Lots of evidence it helps and it can't hurt (at those doses)
Dave in Durango CO

medved
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   Posted 10/3/2010 9:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Those taking over 2000 i.u. per day might consider checking serum calcium levels (or, perhaps even better, urinary calcium to creatine ratio), to guard against hypercalcemia or hypercalcuria.   It is a low risk, but better to check. 
 
 

Fairwind
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   Posted 10/3/2010 10:02 PM (GMT -6)   
33,000 men are going to die from PC this year whether they take their vitamin pills or not..

Now that the pill-makers can no longer make any direct health benefit claims on the label or packaging, they have had to change tactics..Books, magazines, internet blogs are used to tout these products and their benefits without ever offering any definitive proof what they are saying is true..They ALL seem to quote some vague study performed by an obscure "researcher' who published his findings in a journal nobody ever heard of. The next magazine article quotes the author of the first one and round and round it goes..

Saw Palmetto is a classic example..A few years ago, even doctors were telling men they should add this miracle herb to their pill collection..Two big research centers finally got around to testing it under controlled conditions and discovered it did virtually NOTHING. It's still being sold, but no longer occupies a bunker at the end of isle one...

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   Posted 10/3/2010 10:28 PM (GMT -6)   
I am taking one vitamin d (on the ingredients it says D3) for "1000 IU" since I am forbidden to be in the sun for all the antibiotics I'm taking.
 
That shows as 250% of the daily suggested amount on the label.

Mavica
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   Posted 10/3/2010 10:39 PM (GMT -6)   
My primary care physician told me, following my annual physical/testing exams last January, that my Vitamin D levels were lower than he'd like to see them so he suggested I take a supplement.  Hearing this from me, my Dermatologist recommended that I take Carlson's Cod Liver Oil instead of a tablet because in addition to getting 400 IU of D3 in each teaspoon of the cod liver oil I'd be getting the benefits of the Omega-3 fatty acids.  So, I've been taking the Carlson's along with my daily multiple vitamin/mineral caplet which includes in it's formula 500 IU of D3.  Overall, I'm taking 900 IU daily (well, most days!).  My increased level of Vitamin D3 won't be helping my Prostate because it was removed two years ago, but the D is important for other health reasons and the cod liver oil is supposed to do good things over time.  Until my physician tells me what I'm doing is harmful I'll adhere to the regimine.  I get outside regularly, on a daily basis, so for most days I'm picking-up some Vitamin D from the rays of the Sun, and maybe also from foods I'm eating (I consume very little dairy).

Post Edited (Mavica) : 10/3/2010 9:42:48 PM (GMT-6)


pogmothoin
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   Posted 10/3/2010 11:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I use the liquid D3 from Costco.

MrGimpy
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   Posted 10/4/2010 5:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Before you start on D3, take a blood test to tell what your levels are, if not what you are taking may either be a waste of time or way to much ( and cause real problems if >100 level)

I get mine done when my Dr does my cholesterol blood test and my Ins foes not charge extra if I do it at that time, check yours to see if its free as well

mr bill
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   Posted 10/4/2010 8:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the input, it is good to have both negative and positive instead of everyone going around and shaking the head yes.
 
I guess my feeling is that it cannot hurt to take 1000 iu. I did read an article that indicated cases of PC are more prevalant in the north ('specially where I live) than in the south due to lack of uv exposure.

Purgatory
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   Posted 10/4/2010 9:47 AM (GMT -6)   
i am with hero above, dont believe in it, not do i believe it has any effect.

my entire medical team, all independent of one another, are firmly against supplements like this.

too much conflicting info, studies, etc. the saw palmetto exam was a good one, now they know, it can dangerously mask
psa readings giving false hope.

david in sc
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

zufus
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   Posted 10/4/2010 11:17 AM (GMT -6)   
I am taking D3 6000 units per day, my OH25 test showed 68 level which is considered good (under 30 is too low), level around 80-90 seems to be what some oncos are saying.

My brothers wife has multiple myeleoma, which is very hard to treat at all, one doc recommended ultra high dose levels (in her special case) and it worked wonders on returning her into much better health. She would have been at risk for hypercalcemia but didn't have any problems like that. Her level of D3 would not be recommended for anyone herein (LOL in shock it was like 60,000 units a day, for a little while). Her benefits were substaintial and known in her case, so we can believe what we wish.

D vitamin is not absorbed as well as D3 from what discussions were posted here before on this. This is used for boosting your immune system and helping bones is the conceived benefit.

Post Edited (zufus) : 10/4/2010 10:52:07 AM (GMT-6)


Purgatory
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   Posted 10/4/2010 11:26 AM (GMT -6)   
zufus, sorry to hear about your brother's wife. MM is a terrible ravaging cancer. Desperate means and approaches are often used in attempting to fight that beast, and all that goes along with it. hope she is holding her own.

david in sc
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

zufus
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   Posted 10/4/2010 11:51 AM (GMT -6)   
Currently doing well, they just got back from European vacation and she is like 2.5 years since diagnosis with this. She has done Revlamid also from one of her doctors, this is thalidomide mixture type drug, the cost is super outrageous...she is not using it right now, but did at one time. This drug makes Lupron and others look like a give away program. She is high risk and known bone issues, going on. So the future prognosis is grimm overall but unknown where that might be thus far.
Dx-2002 total urinary blockage, bPsa 46.6 12/12 biopsies all loaded 75-95% vol.; Gleasons scores 7,8,9's (2-sets), gland size 35, ct and bone scans look clear- ADT3 5 months prior to radiations neutron/photon 2-machines, cont'd. ADT3, quit after 2 yrs. switched to DES 1-mg, off 1+ yr., controlled well, resumed, used intermittently, resumed useage

BB_Fan
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   Posted 10/4/2010 9:08 PM (GMT -6)   
I take 5000 ui of vit d3 daily. This is because I am trying to get my vit d level tp 75 nl/mg from about 50. I measure my vit d monthly with PSA. When I get there I will probably drop back to 2000 ui to maitain that level.
Dx PCa Dec 2008 at 56, PSA 3.4
Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7 (3+4) - 8 cores, 4 positive, 30% of all 4 cores.
Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital, Dr Wagner
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive - tumor volume 9%, nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery.
PSA's < .01, .01, .07, .28, .50. HT 5/10. IMRT 9/10.
PSA's post HT .01, < .01
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