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Todd1963
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   Posted 10/4/2010 5:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I use to be a marathon runner. In 97 I qualified for boston but never ran it. I ran the hood to coast relay race many times on a team that I both started and named. Imagine my surprise when I found out that my team is still running the relay and is still using the same name. Better yet the team is composed of persons whom are employed by my current employer. I have been asked by the team captain to run the race again and I think I can get back into shape. Does anyone know how this might affect the cancer. Todd
dx:06/03/06
Age at dx: 42 age now 45
Treated for sciatic nerve pain 6 months prior to dx.
Heavy amount of blood in urine Unable to urinate 
Lung x-ray for pnumonia revealed multiple lesions in each lung
P.S.A. at time of dx. 3216.14
Began lupron and casodex
Cat scan showed large mass in the pelvic area affecting the bladder multiple nodules in both lungs and lymph node envolvement.
Bone scan revealed possible bone involvment in the pelvic area
Biopsy 12 of 12 cores positive gleason 3+4=7
P.S.A.s since lupron 2946, 1274, 532, 5.01 1.23, .09
Begining jan 08 psa .o9, .25, .44, .86, .73, 1.34, 1.49. Doubling time is a little over 3 months
Cat Scan 12/12/08 Prostate normal size and shape. No tumors detected. Left lung clear of all nodules right lung showing only benign scar tissue. Lymph nodes normal
Bone Scan 12/24/08. Clean!!! went off casodex January 4 2009
Current psa 2/13/09 .16
Latest P.S.A. 0.05 newest P.S.A. undetectable

April6th
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   Posted 10/4/2010 6:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry, don't know about running, but I just have to say I read you signature information and your recovery has been very impressive. Keep it up!

Dan
Here are some of my stats:
Age:54
Father diagnosed with PC at age 72 - wasn't contained to prostate when found in 1992.
My PSA rose from 3.2 to 5.1 over the course of 1.5 years with Free PSA at 25% for the last two tests.
DRE showed no evidence of tumor but Uro thought my prostate was a little large for someone my age
PCa diagnosed 4/6/10 after biopsy on 4/1/10
1 out of 12 biopsy samples was positive with 5% of biopsy sample cancerous
Gleason 3+4
Da Vinci surgery on 6/1/10
Pathology report shows cancer confined to prostate and all other tissue clean
PSA tested on 7/15/10: Zero Club membership card issued (trial membership with 90 day renewal)

Purgatory
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   Posted 10/4/2010 6:38 PM (GMT -6)   
if anyone can do it, you can do it
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

Arnie
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   Posted 10/4/2010 6:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Todd......qualified for Boston and didn't run it? I don't know whether to be jealous or smack you upside the head :-) There had to be a good reason..........I've done 4 of 'em-----Delaware '94, Marine Corps '95, Philly '97 & LA '01------when I was diagnosed in 8/08, I got into the best shape i could before  1/09 surgery, and did a 10 miler here locally 10 days before surgery. My surgeon said that he could tell i was in shape, and it made the surgery, and the recovery as well I believe, go fairly smoothly.
Afer recovering sufficiently, I trained and ran the same race a year later followed by a 1/2 M in March of this year with no ill effects. I'm not in the same boat as you as far as the cancer goes, but I would be willing to bet that it would not adversely affect the cancer if you trained for a marathon. You would need to make sure you take extra care nutritionally, as running a marathon can drain the immune system. But the positives outwiegh the negatives on that. Plus, the endorphions and sense of accompishment will do wonders for the psyche.....between that and the music, it's all good for the head :-)
 
I say go for it, but that's just me--------what does the oncologist say?
 
Arnie in DE
 

Fairwind
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   Posted 10/4/2010 7:00 PM (GMT -6)   
living'63, what drugs if any are you taking now??
Age 68.
PSA at age 55: 3.5, DRE normal. Advice, "Keep an eye on it".
age 58: 4.5
age 61: 5.2
age 64: 7.5, DRE "Abnormal"
age 65: 8.5, " normal", biopsy, 12 core, negative...
age 66 9.0 "normal", 2ed biopsy, negative, BPH, Proscar
age 67 4.5 DRE "normal"
age 68 7.0 third biopsy positive, 4 out of 12, G-6,7, 9
RRP performed Sept 3 2010, pos margin, one pos vesicle nodes neg

Ed C. (Old67)
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   Posted 10/4/2010 7:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Go for it Todd.
Age: 67 at Dx on 12/30/08
PSA 9/05 1.15; 8/06 1.45; 12/07 2.41; 8/08 3.9; 11/08 3.5 free PSA 11%
2 cores out of 12 were positive Gleason (4+4) and (4+5)
Negative CT scan and bone scan done on 1/16
Robotic surgery performed 2/9/09 Dr Fagin, Austin TX
Prostate weighed 57 grams size:5.2 x 5.0 x 4.9 cm
Posterior lateral lesions measuring 1.5 x 1.4 x 1.0 cm showing focal capsular penetration over a distance of 3mm in circumference.
Prostatic adenocarciroma accounts for approx. 10-20% of the hemisphere.
Gleason 4+4
both nerve bundles removed,
pT3a Nx Mx, Negative margins
seminal vesicles clean, lymph nodes: not dissected
continent after 5 months
2 months PSA test 4/7/09 result <0.1
5 months PSA test 7/9/09 result <0.1
8 months PSA test 10/9/09 result <0.1
11 months PSA test 1/21/10 result 0.004
14 months PSA test 4/19/10 result 0.005

Todd1963
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   Posted 10/4/2010 7:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Dan, Thanks, My signature is a little misleading. Due to size restrictions I have not updated it in a long time. I was taken off of lupron in november o9 and things went okay until august when my psa jumped from .46 to 6.0 I just got another lupron shot a few weeks ago and am hoping for the best. David thank you for the vote of confidence. Your my hero. Arnie, I qualified with a 2:58.17 nothing to brag about. It was the only marathon I ever qualified with. Although I paced alberto salizar for two miles in a local 10k I found the two sub 5 minute miles to be not to my liking. Boston is a long way from silverlake washington and funds were not available. Just knowing I made the cut at 35 was congratulations enough. I never ran in school. I drank beer and heckled the athletes. Now they drink beer and I am in good shape.lol except for having terminal cancer of course. Fairwind, I am only on lupron. Todd
dx:06/03/06
Age at dx: 42 age now 45
Treated for sciatic nerve pain 6 months prior to dx.
Heavy amount of blood in urine Unable to urinate 
Lung x-ray for pnumonia revealed multiple lesions in each lung
P.S.A. at time of dx. 3216.14
Began lupron and casodex
Cat scan showed large mass in the pelvic area affecting the bladder multiple nodules in both lungs and lymph node envolvement.
Bone scan revealed possible bone involvment in the pelvic area
Biopsy 12 of 12 cores positive gleason 3+4=7
P.S.A.s since lupron 2946, 1274, 532, 5.01 1.23, .09
Begining jan 08 psa .o9, .25, .44, .86, .73, 1.34, 1.49. Doubling time is a little over 3 months
Cat Scan 12/12/08 Prostate normal size and shape. No tumors detected. Left lung clear of all nodules right lung showing only benign scar tissue. Lymph nodes normal
Bone Scan 12/24/08. Clean!!! went off casodex January 4 2009
Current psa 2/13/09 .16
Latest P.S.A. 0.05 newest P.S.A. undetectable

Todd1963
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   Posted 10/4/2010 7:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanx ed, I think I will

Herophilus
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   Posted 10/4/2010 7:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Todd,
What ever you decide you got all of us pulling for you. I also agree with Purgatory
Hero
Age 51 PSA 6.8
Bxy 10 of 12 Cores positive for Gleason 6. up to 75%
Robotic surg 11-03-09
Post op path. 20% neoplasm;4+3=7 Gleason
All nodes (14) and other related tissue negative for cancer
No EPE
Post op PSA x 3, all <0.01

livinadream
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Total Posts : 1382
   Posted 10/4/2010 7:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Todd
Great to see you back on the forum I am even more glad to see you thinking about hitting the road running again. My experience so far has been that running helps tremendously. Even when I was on Lupron for two years I never stopped exercising even though it was tough. Now I run, bike, and swim five days per week. The energy it gives me is wonderful and the mental health is even better. So with that I say GO FOR IT.
Maybe we can run a marathon together one day soon.

peace to you
Dale
My PSA at diagnosis was 16.3
age 47 (current)

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/dalechildress

My gleason score from prostate was 4+5=9 and from the lymph nodes (3 positive) was 4+4=8
I had 44 IMRT's
I was on Lupron, Casodex, and Avodart for two years with my last shot March 2009. I am currently (7-22-2010) not on any medication.
My Oncology hospital is The Cancer Treatment Center of America in Zion IL
PSA July of 2007 was 16.4
PSA May of 2008 was.11
PSA July 24th, 2008 is 0.04
PSA Dec 16th, 2008 is .016
PSA Mar 30th, 2009 is .02
PSA July 28th 2009 is .01
PSA OCt 15th 2009 is .11
PSA Jan 15th 2010 is .13
PSA April 16th of 2010 is .16
PSA July 22nd of 2010 is .71
Testosterone keeps rising, the current number is 156, up from 57 in May

T level dropped to 37 Mar 30th, 2009
cancer in 4 of 6 cores
92%
80%
37%
28%

60Michael
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   Posted 10/4/2010 7:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Todd,
I really dont know of any effect the running might have on cancer and that might be a question to ask your Dr. But at age 45, I would think you are at prime age to run a marathon. Never did Boston, but did Marine Corp and an Ultra Marathon in Atlanta, but not when I was dealing with cancer. Shoot for the moon.
Michael

Arnie
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Total Posts : 372
   Posted 10/4/2010 9:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Todd.........2:58:17??? Nothing to brag about?? Everything is relative, brother. My best, in Marine Corps'95, was 3:47:31 at the age of 43....so the only place I'm ever gonna run a sub-3 is in my dreams. My hat's off to you. But it's the training and the finishing that makes it all worth it. If the effects of the Lupron don't take you too far down as far as stamina, strength, etc., then by all means get back out there on the roads. How long a race is the relay (marathon?), and how long would your leg be (6.55 miles?)?
 
Arnie in DE

Todd1963
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   Posted 10/5/2010 12:04 AM (GMT -6)   
dale call me. I sank my phone in the lake and lost you number. waterskiing and beer dont mix.lol
dx:06/03/06
Age at dx: 42 age now 45
Treated for sciatic nerve pain 6 months prior to dx.
Heavy amount of blood in urine Unable to urinate 
Lung x-ray for pnumonia revealed multiple lesions in each lung
P.S.A. at time of dx. 3216.14
Began lupron and casodex
Cat scan showed large mass in the pelvic area affecting the bladder multiple nodules in both lungs and lymph node envolvement.
Bone scan revealed possible bone involvment in the pelvic area
Biopsy 12 of 12 cores positive gleason 3+4=7
P.S.A.s since lupron 2946, 1274, 532, 5.01 1.23, .09
Begining jan 08 psa .o9, .25, .44, .86, .73, 1.34, 1.49. Doubling time is a little over 3 months
Cat Scan 12/12/08 Prostate normal size and shape. No tumors detected. Left lung clear of all nodules right lung showing only benign scar tissue. Lymph nodes normal
Bone Scan 12/24/08. Clean!!! went off casodex January 4 2009
Current psa 2/13/09 .16
Latest P.S.A. 0.05 newest P.S.A. undetectable

Todd1963
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   Posted 10/5/2010 12:06 AM (GMT -6)   
arnie. 192 miles. 3 legs of 5 to 8 miles depending on difficulty. It starts at timberline lodge on mt. hood and runs to seaside oregon. Its a blast.
dx:06/03/06
Age at dx: 42 age now 45
Treated for sciatic nerve pain 6 months prior to dx.
Heavy amount of blood in urine Unable to urinate 
Lung x-ray for pnumonia revealed multiple lesions in each lung
P.S.A. at time of dx. 3216.14
Began lupron and casodex
Cat scan showed large mass in the pelvic area affecting the bladder multiple nodules in both lungs and lymph node envolvement.
Bone scan revealed possible bone involvment in the pelvic area
Biopsy 12 of 12 cores positive gleason 3+4=7
P.S.A.s since lupron 2946, 1274, 532, 5.01 1.23, .09
Begining jan 08 psa .o9, .25, .44, .86, .73, 1.34, 1.49. Doubling time is a little over 3 months
Cat Scan 12/12/08 Prostate normal size and shape. No tumors detected. Left lung clear of all nodules right lung showing only benign scar tissue. Lymph nodes normal
Bone Scan 12/24/08. Clean!!! went off casodex January 4 2009
Current psa 2/13/09 .16
Latest P.S.A. 0.05 newest P.S.A. undetectable

zufus
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   Posted 10/5/2010 7:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Dale- You remind me of Forest Gump....run Forest...run! If you can run decently while on Lupron you deserve plenty of acolades from us, those whom have not used such drug may not realize how it might effect some of us. The exercise and endorphines released from running might have a huge effect on a better immunity system. Go for it! I bet Lupron mfg. would love your endorsement or sponsor such. (lol)

I know I am in no shape for running, long walking is alright. Of course been on drugs longer and more types of them and alot older, but still look fairly fit.
Dx-2002 total urinary blockage, bPsa 46.6 12/12 biopsies all loaded 75-95% vol.; Gleasons scores 7,8,9's (2-sets), gland size 35, ct and bone scans look clear- ADT3 5 months prior to radiations neutron/photon 2-machines, cont'd. ADT3, quit after 2 yrs. switched to DES 1-mg, off 1+ yr., controlled well, resumed, used intermittently, resumed useage

English Alf
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   Posted 10/5/2010 8:48 AM (GMT -6)   
Run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Arnie
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   Posted 10/5/2010 10:21 AM (GMT -6)   

Todd........that race is often touted as one of the best in Runner's World. I've never "met" anybody who's done it until now. I have the opposite problem as you-being on the east coast, I can't get out to many of the cool races that are a fair distance from here going west. What's the date of the race? I assume you have some ample time to rachet up you mileage..

Arnie in DE


rhb47
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Total Posts : 208
   Posted 10/5/2010 12:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Todd,

What can I say-you continue to amaze me! I second English Alf-Run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Renee
Husband diagnosed 3/10
Age 56, PSA 4.7, free 7.6%

Biopsy 5 of 10 cores positve-all right side-25% to 57%
Gleason 6
DaVinci surgery with Dr. Vip Patel scheduled 8/9/10

Post Op: Gleason 3+4=7
Negative surgical margins and lymph nodes
No seminal vesicle and angiolymphaic invasion
perineural invasion present
Both nerve bundles spared
No ED or incontinence
6 wk. PSA .01

pattersson
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   Posted 10/5/2010 1:48 PM (GMT -6)   
I run a marthon 2 years post op, had no problems related to pc when running or training. It was my first one and I am glad I did it
Radical prostactemy 10/2006 @42, PSA 3.9, Gleason 3+4
PSA <0.2 2006-2009

PSA 0.14 01/2010
0.07 05/2010

Purgatory
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   Posted 10/5/2010 2:28 PM (GMT -6)   
thats great to hear, pattersson. i couldnt dream of that.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

Todd1963
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   Posted 10/5/2010 6:07 PM (GMT -6)   
I will run. It is not until august so I have 11 months to train. My wife and I will be running some 5ks and 10ks to prepare. We started running on sunday. Just two miles but I managed to average 6 and 1/2 minute miles. Lungs hurt bad but endorphins felt great. Todd

goodlife
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   Posted 10/5/2010 6:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Todd,

I have told you before that you are an inspiration to me and so many guys on here ........

BUT, you will never be able to inspire me to run a marathon. That's why they invented wheels on things. Niw riding a bike is a different story.

However, you continue to inspire me nine the less. I think it is a fabulous idea, and I think what it will do for your state of mind is more than any therapy or feel good pills could ever do for you.

Run Todd, run.
Goodlife
 
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01
1 year psa (364 days) .01
15 month PSA <.01

Red Nighthawk
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   Posted 10/5/2010 7:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Todd, do it! God bless you for your determination and spirit. My knees ache just from reading about you guys running. I'll stick to skiing.
Age: 63
Gleason grade: 3+4=7, pT2c NX MX
Robotic RP: Sept. 15th, 2009
No lymphatic/vascular invasion, seminal vesicles, margins tumor free.
Pre surgery PSA: 4.1
Post surgery PSA's: .04, .03, .02, .05, .02
ED: Improvement slow but there are positive signs. No incontinent issues.
Surgery: Dr. Jim Hu. Dana-Farber/Brigham and Women's, Boston

Sancarlos
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   Posted 10/5/2010 7:53 PM (GMT -6)   
living1963 said...
I use to be a marathon runner. In 97 I qualified for boston but never ran it. I ran the hood to coast relay race many times on a team that I both started and named. Imagine my surprise when I found out that my team is still running the relay and is still using the same name. Better yet the team is composed of persons whom are employed by my current employer. I have been asked by the team captain to run the race again and I think I can get back into shape. Does anyone know how this might affect the cancer. Todd


If I were 45 years of age and could train for a marathon there is nothing that would keep me from doing so, even if it could make my PC worse. I was a runner in high school, quit during college but picked it up again in my late 20s and ran from then on until my late 50s, when I had to give it up due to arthritic knees. For about 25 years I averaged more than 50 miles a week running, going up to over 100 miles a week in training for marathons. Nothing in my life that I have done has made me happier than being out on the road in the early morning mist on a fifteen mile run, feet just whisper touching the ground on a brisk but easy pace of six minutes a mile.

Go for it. Do it for yourself, for your former team, and for all of those who would love to be in your shoes out on the road.

Sancarlos
Age 66, PC diagnosed 7/2009 at age 65
Stage: T2c, Gleason: 9 (4 + 5), 6 of 6 cores positive
Bone, CAT and MIR scans negative

Treatment: brachytherapy (103 palladium), 100 gy, 11/2010 + hormone therapy (Lupron + Casodex) + IMRT on Novalis, 45 gy, 3/2010.

PSA: 7/2009, At time of diagnosis -- 11.9
10/2009 -- 5.0
12/2009 -- 0.56
5/2010 -- 0.15
8/9/2010 -- 0.06

60Michael
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   Posted 10/6/2010 8:12 AM (GMT -6)   
If you are running 6 1/2 minute miles your lungs should burn. Lucky if I hit a nine minute mile and my motto is, " no pain, just fun." Have a blast Todd.
Michael
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