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anxiety out the roof
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   Posted 10/7/2010 5:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Since most of us are changing what we eat; it would nice to have a list of your favorite healthy foods. We all get tired of eating the same thing. I'll start --- Marinade boneless , skinless chicken breasts in " Gazebo Room Lite Greek" salad dressing and marinade. We put the breasts in a ziplock, dump the marinade on the in the morning. Refrigerate and grill them that evening. Take care that the oil in the marinade doesn't flair up. DELICIOUS AND SIMPLE.

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   Posted 10/7/2010 6:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Anx, this is a tread I'll certainly enjoy adding to. Hmmm, my favorite foods, post PCa.

I have gone completely to the dark side and have become almost 100% vegan. This is a direct result of the PCa. This means no meat, including fish and chicken, no dairy, just fruits, veggies, nuts, and other stuff my wife makes. My typical day is: Oatmeal in the morning, steal cut the old fashioned kind, with flaxseed, blueberries, various nuts and raisens. That will do me until supper, which is usually tomatoe sauce over veggies, over rice, over pasta and other whole wheat grains. I know, borrrrring! It's not boring yet because my Italian wife can cook fancy vegan meals to spice things up now and then. I drink only water, blueberry smoothies, and occasional beer or three.

My thinking is the food we eat either feeds cancer or the food we eat starves the cancer. Btw, I'm not trying to convert anyone to this lifestyle.

peace
Age: 63
Gleason grade: 3+4=7, pT2c NX MX
Robotic RP: Sept. 15th, 2009
No lymphatic/vascular invasion, seminal vesicles, margins tumor free.
Pre surgery PSA: 4.1
Post surgery PSA's: .04, .03, .02, .05, .02
ED: Improvement slow but there are positive signs. No incontinent issues.
Surgery: Dr. Jim Hu. Dana-Farber/Brigham and Women's, Boston

Purgatory
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   Posted 10/7/2010 6:29 PM (GMT -6)   
red,

be careful on the vegan life, it can take an adjustment. i have known people that swtiched out of the clear to 1oo percent vegan, and within a few months became very pale, ill, and prone to sickness. you have to really know what you are doing and make adjustments, can be a shock on the body

not opposed to it, just reminded me of some that didnt fare well on it. if it were me, i would be asking advice even from my long term GP.

good luck

david in sc
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

don826
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   Posted 10/7/2010 7:09 PM (GMT -6)   
David's advice is good advice. After some tests on my heart about 14 years ago I went vegan. I hung in for a lille over a year and lost weight rapidly. Hungry all the time. Still had a fair amount of energy and continued to work out. Worst time was night as I would wake up hungry and after passing out one morning I decided enough was enough and went back to a diet that included animal protien. The vegan diet did not have a big impact on my cholesterol either. Went from 220 to 200 as I recall. I finally gave up and started on the statins. I was trying to follow the Ornish diet plan at the time.


Don
Diagnosed 04/10/08 Age 58
Gleason 4 + 3
DRE palpable tumor on left side
100% of 12 cores positive for PCa range 35% to 85%
Bone scan and chest x ray clear
CT scan shows potential lymph node involvement in pelvic region
IGRT/IMRT with adjuvant HT (lupron) 2yrs
PSA:
02/08 21.5
07/08 0.82
10/08 .642
09/09 0.32
03/10 0.32
06/10 0.32
07/10 0.10

Red Nighthawk
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   Posted 10/7/2010 7:47 PM (GMT -6)   
David and Don, very interesting comments and I thank you for them.

This transition to the vegan lifestyle has been going on for me for a few years now, even before PCa entered the picture, because my wife converted over to it at least five years ago. She'd still prepare meat dishes for the rest of us, but her food looked good as well. Her entire family is a bunch of vegans and they know what they are doing I should think. Some family members have been on it for over 20 years, long before I even heard of it. So it's no big deal for me to not eat meat or dairy. It is a little difficult though when we go to a banquet or out to eat because everything is meat, cheese, dairy etc. I don't get overly hungry like Don mentioned, perhaps because of the steelcut oatmeal in the morning. That stuff stays with me for hours. I have to admit I get the desire to chew in the evening so I eat nuts, which quench any hunger I may have. So far so good. My recent bloodwork came back all good. Everything in the normal range, with cholesterol 134.

The tipping point for me was a video series I just happened to see on the web, entitled 'Foods that Kill' by Dr. Michael Klaper. It's a six part series that convinced me on the subject.

Thanks guys and good luck on this bumpy road we're on.
Age: 63
Gleason grade: 3+4=7, pT2c NX MX
Robotic RP: Sept. 15th, 2009
No lymphatic/vascular invasion, seminal vesicles, margins tumor free.
Pre surgery PSA: 4.1
Post surgery PSA's: .04, .03, .02, .05, .02
ED: Improvement slow but there are positive signs. No incontinent issues.
Surgery: Dr. Jim Hu. Dana-Farber/Brigham and Women's, Boston

goodlife
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   Posted 10/7/2010 7:51 PM (GMT -6)   
I can buy the healthy diet stuff.  I think overall it is not a bad deal all around.  I have seen studies on obesity and PC. 
 
But, I have given up some of my QOL and I am not regretful.  It was a necessary trade.  My diseased walnut full of G9 PC was traded for some incontinence for 8 months, and some ED issues which continue.
 
Statistically, I have around an 80 % chance of living for the next 10 years.  Hopefully, most of those will be in reatively good health, even if I have a reoccurence.  The next 5 after that are in question statistically.  This is without any major additional changes.  Oh yes, I may have to have SRT and/or HT , but those are again, worth the cost for the benefit received.
 
Diet is another issue.  There is some insinuation, maybe some scientific speculation. but nothing compared to the hard statistics showing the effectiveness of surgery, SRT, HT,m etc.  The simple fact is that most likely it will not cure cancer, or stop its progression.  I won't argue that it may be able to slow it down a little, the question is for how long ?
 
We have men on here who are questioning the risk of SRT or HT as opposed to doing nothing.  I for on will most likely take the longer odds of SRT and/or HT.  However, as stupid as it sounds, I am unwilling to give up one of the few pleasures I have left for the long odds that some flax seed, pomegranete juice, or no meat will somehow extend my life.  It is one QOL that I have a choice about.
 
I intend to enjoy a good steak once in a while, some bacon and eggs once in a while, or some chicken cooked over an open fire, with lots of butter, and a big piece of pecan pie.
 
Yes, I intend to watch my weight, my choleterol, and my bloodpressure, but I'll be darned if I intend to give up the goodlife I have come to enjoy through my taste buds.
 
Goodlife
 
 

Red Nighthawk
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   Posted 10/7/2010 8:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh Goodlife, I think you just made my PSA jump a mile with that litany of good stuff you won't give up.

Believe me, if I got hungry like Don mentioned, or if I craved steak, bacon, and butter, I'd probably not be a vegan. I agree with you Goodlife, quality of life is big. We have to do whatever it takes to be happy and content. However, on the other hand, those foods you mentioned are super foods for cancer cells. Btw, I am not 100%. I still put honey and a little milk in my coffee and that kicks me out of the pure vegan club.

peace

goodlife
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   Posted 10/7/2010 8:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Red, I don't feel so reckless now !
Goodlife
 
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01
1 year psa (364 days) .01
15 month PSA <.01

Purgatory
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   Posted 10/7/2010 8:50 PM (GMT -6)   
red,

i feel better about your transition, now that you have explained that you do have some in depth experience with your wife and others. was just concerned for you, hope it works well for you.

david
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

anxiety out the roof
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   Posted 10/8/2010 3:45 AM (GMT -6)   
HOW about SOME RECIPES

English Alf
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   Posted 10/8/2010 4:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Favourite recipe is probably for a dessert, Chocolate trifle:
bottom layer finger biscuits soaked in Cointreau
then raspberry jello/jelly with sliced bananas set in it
then a layer of chocolate mousse with fresh raspberries mixed into it
finally a layer of whipped cream with freshly toasted flaked almonds on the top

You can only get away with that after having a very light healthy something beforehand like a vegetable stir-fry and freshly toasted pine nuts served with brown rice. And being in Holland I couldn't go without a great selection of cheeses somewhere in the equation.

Healthy eating is a great idea and less meat in the shopping trolley makes for a smaller grocery bill, but... and please note that the following comment is not a rant again vegans or vegetarians , just a word of caution to say that vegans and vegetarians must be very careful to eat a balanced diet and not simply remove meat, fish, dairy etc from their previous diets as that can make you seriously ill.

And this subject reminds me that, when I asked my 23 year-old son if he had stopped eating tuna because it wasn't very nice for the dolphins, he replied that it wasn't very nice for the tuna either!

Part of my QOL is about enjoying food, so I'm not going to go without everything.
So it'll be fairly healthy curry for us this evening followed by the raspberries without the mousse and cream. I'll take pot luck on the wine but I think I opened a Tempranillo last night that needs finishing.

Alf

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   Posted 10/8/2010 7:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Balance is key in diet, as with just about everything else in life. Vegetarian diets can be excellent but they have to be done right with lots of high quality protein which usually comes from soy or whey protein and legumes (beans, lentils, etc). Just eating veggies with rice or pasta is not sufficient ...gotta add protein in some form every day in order to maintain lean muscle mass.
Husband diagnosed in 2/2008 at age 57 with stage T1c. Robotic surgery performed 3/2008. Stage upgraded to T3a (solitary focus of extraprostatic extension). Perineural tumor infiltration present. Apex margin, bladder neck and SVs negative. Final Gleason 3+4. PSA: 0.0 til July 2009. August 2009 - 0.1, September 0.3, October back to 0.0, December 0.0, March 2010 0.0, September 2010 0.0.

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   Posted 10/8/2010 8:55 AM (GMT -6)   
alf, having an english mum, nothing like a good trifle! you made me drool
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

English Alf
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   Posted 10/8/2010 10:23 AM (GMT -6)   

BB_Fan
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   Posted 10/8/2010 12:28 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm going with the mediterranean (sp) diet. It works into my Italian heritage and allows me to eat a lot of the things that I like. I don't eat red meat and have really cut back on dairy. Chicken breast cut up and cooked in a little olive oil with potatos, green pepper, onion, green olives, and garlic is a favorite. Also, clam and garlic pizza with olive oil and a good sprinkling of paresean cheese is also good. Pancakes are fine made with egg beaters and soy/non-fat milk. Ground turkey/chicken breast can be purchased to make meat loaf and meat balls for pasta.

Only thing I really miss are the Italian cold cuts.
Dx PCa Dec 2008 at 56, PSA 3.4
Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7 (3+4) - 8 cores, 4 positive, 30% of all 4 cores.
Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital, Dr Wagner
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive - tumor volume 9%, nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery.
PSA's < .01, .01, .07, .28, .50. HT 5/10. IMRT 9/10.
PSA's post HT .01, < .01

don826
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   Posted 10/8/2010 2:08 PM (GMT -6)   
I especially miss the hard salami. devil
 
Sorry, couldn't resist.
 
Don

Purgatory
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   Posted 10/8/2010 2:44 PM (GMT -6)   
bb - the mederteranian is a fine diet to follow, i dont consider that a fad diet by any means.

don - i agree, love those good salami's and other Italian cold cuts.

you guys are all making me drool, as i recover here at home, sipping a vanila assure, while reading about all these good things to eat, lol.

one day, the appitite will be back, and my body will be able to handle more than a bland diet
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 ?
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, on Catheter #21, will be having Ileal Conduit Surgery in Sept.

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 10/8/2010 3:06 PM (GMT -6)   

Angus Mushroom & Swiss

A thick and juicy third-pound* 100% Angus beef patty is good. But we’re going for great. So we add two slices of Swiss cheese and savory sautéed mushrooms. Nice, huh?

MCDONALDS yeah


Red Nighthawk
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   Posted 10/8/2010 3:22 PM (GMT -6)   
BB, I like how you think.
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