A study on Green Tea

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Purgatory
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   Posted 10/29/2010 6:23 PM (GMT -6)   
I know this concerns green tea and breast cancer, but thought it may be of interest to others here, since quite a few here promote
and drink green tea in regards to their PC.  It is but one study, but I thought the results were interesting.
 

Fairwind
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   Posted 10/29/2010 7:47 PM (GMT -6)   
All of these "miracle" food supplement cancer fighters seem to have one thing in common..

They don't work...

Lets see how the "Aspirin reduces prostate cancer mortality by 50%" study pans out....

Jazzman1
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   Posted 10/29/2010 8:06 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm running my own little clinical trial with beer. turn

goodlife
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   Posted 10/29/2010 9:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Be sure and put a dash of pomegranete juice in it.
Goodlife
 
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01
1 year psa (364 days) .01
15 month PSA <.01

Radical
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   Posted 10/29/2010 9:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Jazzman, can I join your trial please ? I do have experience !.....lol......Kev
Age 52yrs [Gold Coast Qld, Australia]
6 out of 8 cores positive 3 X 60% / 3 X 10%
PSA 4 Gleason Score 3+4=7 Stage T1c
RP 24/12/08
Upgrade Gleason Score 4+3=7 Gleason Differential 60%/40%
Stage T2c Three small foci total volume <10%
Neg Margins and Nodes
Nil - EPE
Dry less than 1 week. ED- okay with Meds.
PSA at 18mths no change remains 0.03
"Everday in Everyway, I get better"

Fairwind
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   Posted 10/29/2010 11:18 PM (GMT -6)   
So we go into Costco to do a little shopping...There, right at the end of the aisle is a huge bunker display of one gallon jugs of 100% pure pomegranate juice...

Sometimes you feel like a duck in a shooting gallery...First the internet and "Health" magazines are all ablaze with stories and "studies" about pomegranate juice, extracts, pills and a week later a car load of juice shows up at a mass marketer big box store like Costco..Of course I bought one and somehow was able to choke it down..

Jazz, if beer could cure cancer, I would be cancer-free today....But I'm going to keep trying!!

Purgatory
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   Posted 10/30/2010 6:25 AM (GMT -6)   
personally, i feel the green tea and even the pomegranate juice are just the current trendy cancer patient's "i got to do something to help myself" items. some of the extreme dietary changes i have seen some promote here just aren't good for the body, there's a reason why there is a food pyramid. i had a long talk recently with the oncology dietician at my hospital. she mailed me a good amount of info on eating properly with me being a several times over cancer patient, and no point, , does she reccomend cutting out entire food groups, i.e. red meats, dairy, etc.
her big thing: healthy heart diet, not because i have/had cancers, but to promote a healthier body in general, to make it easier to deal with all things medical now and in the future.

she said unless you are allergic to milk products, no benefit to switching to soy, as you will pick up more calories, and it can cause worse digestive problems. soy milk is best for young nursing soy beans, lol.

for all the talk i have seen in 2 plus years here at HW, people will go on and on about dietary things, or their pet supplement, etc, but whenever the subject of drinking or smoking comes up, there is silence in the air. If you are a regular/and/or/heavy smoker, then you are negating any possible good of dietary changes. If you drink too much, the damage to your liver and other areas far offset any good you will ever do with diet

i am an ex smoker, though i only smoked for about 5 years, i quit the night beforer my prostate surgery in 11/2008 cold turkey, and have never had a drag or even been tempted. i figure what is the point of going through all i was about to go through, and little did i know what lay ahead for me the past 2 years, if i was going to keep on smoking.

i am not anti-drinking, but by choice, haven't even had a sip of beer since 1973. Nothing judgmental there or intended.

the point: in the desperation to do something, many PC patients focus all on the wrong end of things, and think a lifetime of bad habits and their effects are going to disapear because now they are suddenly concerned since they have cancer.

green tea is never going to hurt you, if you can handle the taste, but i would only look at it as just another healthy beverage, but nothing more

david in sc

Post Edited (Purgatory) : 10/30/2010 6:47:38 AM (GMT-6)


Sephie
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   Posted 10/30/2010 7:20 AM (GMT -6)   
David, as a smoker, I agree with your post. You are one of the lucky smokers who was able to walk away from this bad habit without looking back. For many of us, not so easy. While smoking rates are down, lung cancer remains the #1 cancer killer in the U.S., yet up to 30% of LC patients have no known risk factors.

Many of you know that I work for a children's charity...our mission is to help families in the metro NY area whose children have been diagnosed with cancer and other serious illnesses. Did you know that in the U.S., 46 children are diagnosed with cancer every school day? That's a heck of a lot of kids who haven't been alive long enough to develop the bad habits that can lead to a diagnosis of cancer. Yet, we know there are so called "childhood cancer clusters" around the U.S. - in the NY area, Long Island has a high incidence of leukemia, lymphoma and brain tumors. In Brooklyn, we see a higher-than-average incidence of osteosarcoma (bone cancer) which usually occurs only in children and young teens.

We need to clean up our environment - including our food supply and the processing that occurs. Until we get a handle on this, no amount of preventative action is likely going to make a tremendous difference.
Husband diagnosed in 2/2008 at age 57 with stage T1c. Robotic surgery performed 3/2008. Stage upgraded to T3a (solitary focus of extraprostatic extension). Perineural tumor infiltration present. Apex margin, bladder neck and SVs negative. Final Gleason 3+4. PSA: 0.0 til July 2009. August 2009 - 0.1, September 0.3, October back to 0.0, December 0.0, March 2010 0.0, September 2010 0.0.

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 10/30/2010 9:32 AM (GMT -6)   
"If you are a regular/and/or/heavy smoker, then you are negating any possible good of dietary changes. "
 
Sorry David but that's a bunch of horse hocky smilewinkgrin
 
I'm a smoker and I'm on a path to lose a total of 20 pounds or so...I could easily go the other direction and gain 50 or more pounds if I wanted too.
 
So me being a 5'11" smoker at 200 lbs due to a decent diet would be much better then if I hit 275 lbs...

Purgatory
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   Posted 10/30/2010 10:27 AM (GMT -6)   
Sephie, that was a good point and a good post.

Steve, its not a bunch of hocky, its just my personal opinion. Its good that you are losing weight and have that as a goal, you could
get down to 160 lbs and be tone all over, but if you keep smoking (and I have no idea how long or how much you smoke), you are
still damaging you body.

Not judging you, but I am not making any connection between you losing weight and continuing to smoke. I was doing 1 1/2 packs a day when I quit. And in the past 2 years, my weight continues to all away, especially after this last operation.

I was friends with a dedicated vegan, who smoked 2 packs a day on a regular basis. What was the point of him "purifying" his body of meat toxins if he was filling his body with the hundreds of toxins that are in a smoke? Just seems pointless to my sense of logic.

David
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

F8
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   Posted 10/30/2010 11:09 AM (GMT -6)   
>>So me being a 5'11" smoker at 200 lbs due to a decent diet would be much better then if I hit 275 lbs...<<
 
i guess it's not possible to eat well and not smoke?  i quit smoking almost 20 years ago after smoking heavily for 23 years.  i also quit drugs and alcohol more that 20 years ago, and i take my daily pomegranate pill (Pom).  i don't know if the pill will do anything for me but i know the other changes have.
 
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age: 55
PSA on 12/09: 6.8
no symptoms, no prostate enlargement
12/12 cores positive....gleason 3+4 = 7
HT, BT and IGRT
received 3rd and last lupron shot 9/14/10

Sancarlos
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   Posted 10/30/2010 11:34 AM (GMT -6)   
Purgatory said...


for all the talk i have seen in 2 plus years here at HW, people will go on and on about dietary things, or their pet supplement, etc, but whenever the subject of drinking or smoking comes up, there is silence in the air. If you are a regular/and/or/heavy smoker, then you are negating any possible good of dietary changes. If you drink too much, the damage to your liver and other areas far offset any good you will ever do with diet

i am an ex smoker, though i only smoked for about 5 years, i quit the night beforer my prostate surgery in 11/2008 cold turkey, and have never had a drag or even been tempted. i figure what is the point of going through all i was about to go through, and little did i know what lay ahead for me the past 2 years, if i was going to keep on smoking.

i am not anti-drinking, but by choice, haven't even had a sip of beer since 1973. Nothing judgmental there or intended.


david in sc


I won't argue with you about smoking. It is clearly harmful to your health on many levels. My own father was a heavy smoker and died from lung cancer at age 61.

Not sure sure about drinking. A few weeks ago I saw the result of a study that indicated that those with the longest life span were moderate drinkers and those who did not drink at all had the shortest life span. Even heavy drinkers in this study had a longer life span than those who did not drink at all.

I smoked for a few yeas in my 20s but quit more than 35 years ago. I drink alcohol, mostly red wine, in moderation.

Sancarlos
Age 66, PC diagnosed 7/2009 at age 65
Stage: T2c, Gleason: 9 (4 + 5), 6 of 6 cores positive
Bone, CAT and MIR scans negative

Treatment: brachytherapy (103 palladium), 100 gy, 11/2010 + hormone therapy (Lupron + Casodex) + IMRT on Novalis, 45 gy, 3/2010.

PSA: 7/2009, At time of diagnosis -- 11.9
10/2009 -- 5.0
12/2009 -- 0.56
5/2010 -- 0.15
8/9/2010 -- 0.06

Purgatory
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   Posted 10/30/2010 12:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Sancarlos, my friend, I am not anti-alcohol by any means. I have no moral issues or any other issues with those that drink. My wife loves her wine, and I have learned much about wine over the years by studying the subject, and she loves for me to pick it out for her. I have an incredible sense of smell, and can discern a lot about the flavor base on the aromas. I think modest wine drinking is probably healthier in many ways. In my earlly 20's, I nearly died from acute pancreatitis, and was advised never to drink alcohol for the rest of my life, and thus I haven't.

My father, father-in-law, mother-in-law, step mother-in-law all died of health issues directly attributed to being chain smokers. They all grew up in the time when it was generally not considered a health issue unfortunately. However, as an exception, my mother has been smoking for 64 of her 83 years, and she smokes a lot, and despite having had a quad heart bypass and a moderate stroke 2 years ago, she still smokes. Yet so far, she shows no sign of any serious lung or breathing issues. At 83, she should live out her days as she pleases in my opinion.

I fully realize that both subjects are personal choices, and that we are all of adult age, so people can do as they please.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Jerry L.
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   Posted 10/30/2010 4:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Perhaps rolling up Green Tea bags and smoking them might be a good idea. One could enjoy a good smoke and at the same time help control pc. We could market this as GreenTeabacco, a miracle drug for PC. I can see the studies already claiming that it "may" or "might" slow down pc or increase doubling times substantially.

On a serious note, eating and drinking many of these items (fish, green tea, Pom juice, etc...) are generally healthy things to eat (in moderation). And, it naturally does one other thing-the bad foods are avoided. If you have salmon for dinner, you won't be eating the steak. That sort of makes me wonder about a lot of these studies. Is it the foods they ate or was it the foods they avoided.
Nov. 2009 Dx at Age 44
Dec. 2009 DaVinci Robotic Surgery
Jan. 2010 T3b, Gleason 9
Feb. 2010 ERBT

PSA History:
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Nov. 2009 4.03
Feb. 2010 <.05
May 2010 <.05
Aug. 2010 <.05

Purgatory
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   Posted 10/30/2010 4:22 PM (GMT -6)   
very good point, jerry. never thought about that before. glad to see you have a nice stream of "zeros" going there for you!
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 10/31/2010 4:00 AM (GMT -6)   
Of course smoking is really bad for you...But:
 
Smokers who eats smart and well verses a
 
Smoker that eats nothing but ice cream, margarine, potato chips and red meat
 
I think one of the above will live longer then the other.

Purgatory
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   Posted 10/31/2010 6:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Steve, that, of course, is a possible combination. But if you asked most general doctors, like a PCP or Family dr, I would wager that most would say if you had to choose between being somewhat overweight from poor eating, or being a full time smoker, that they would say it would be better to have the weight, than the damage from smoking. Again, we are just talking, not on your case personally..

The best combo, is to eat a heart healthy diet, and not smoke, and if you drink, mostly drink red wines, and drink in moderation.

david

after being a lifetime of being a sugar monster, espec. chocolate, my goal post this surgery, is to curb it back 80-90%. I havent had any cookies, pie, ice cream, etc, since Sept 22, the day before I went in for surgery. As of now, I dont even have the desire to want
any of that stuff, so we each fight our own demons so to speak
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Sephie
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   Posted 10/31/2010 7:28 AM (GMT -6)   
Hmmm...Steve, don't know if I would agree with you about that. But, we do know that being overweight contributes to a whole host of diseases and conditions such as diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer, etc. So, according to my doctors, don't smoke, don't eat alot of red meat, exercise at least one hour a day every day, avoid excessive alcohol consumption, don't eat any refined sugars or carbohydrates, eat a minimum of 6 servings of fresh fruits and vegetables, get at least 10 minutes of sun exposure each day, monitor intake of caffeine, make sure the olive oil you use is first cold pressed but don't use extra virgin olive oil for cooking since it has a lower smoke point than other oils. My question is when do I get to enjoy life?

I know a woman whose dinner consists of a piece of Entenmann's coffee cake with a glass of diet soda (yeech) and her blood work is immaculate. Just the word 'vegetable" makes her gag. But she's not overweight and she doesn't smoke or drink. Go figure.
Husband diagnosed in 2/2008 at age 57 with stage T1c. Robotic surgery performed 3/2008. Stage upgraded to T3a (solitary focus of extraprostatic extension). Perineural tumor infiltration present. Apex margin, bladder neck and SVs negative. Final Gleason 3+4. PSA: 0.0 til July 2009. August 2009 - 0.1, September 0.3, October back to 0.0, December 0.0, March 2010 0.0, September 2010 0.0.

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 10/31/2010 9:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Sephie - " But, we do know that being overweight contributes to a whole host of diseases and conditions such as diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, cancer, etc."
 
That's pretty much what I had in mind when I said a smoker that eats nothing but ice cream etc etc wouldn't live as long as a smoker who eats a proper diet. So I'm not sure which part you disagree with.
 
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