Is there anything proven to increase PSA doubling time (slow down PC)?

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Jerry L.
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   Posted 11/15/2010 4:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Aside from hormone therapy, is there any vitamins, foods, or drugs that are proven to slow down PC. I see a lot of this "may" or "might", but anything out there that we know for sure?

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Nov. 2009 Dx at Age 44
Dec. 2009 DaVinci Robotic Surgery
Jan. 2010 T3b, Gleason 9
Feb. 2010 Adjuvant Radiation

PSA History:
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Nov. 2009 4.30
Feb. 2010 <.05
May 2010 <.05
Aug. 2010 <.05
Nov. 2010 <.05

Casey59
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   Posted 11/15/2010 5:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Jerry L. said...
Aside from hormone therapy, is there any vitamins, foods, or drugs that are proven to slow down PC. I see a lot of this "may" or "might", but anything out there that we know for sure?

 

 

Silver bullets?  Magic pills?   Naw.
 
 
 
But maybe you are open to read this artitle, titled "Lifestyle And Diet May Stop Or Reverse Prostate Cancer Progression."  The article has the "May" word in the title because it didn't work for 100% of the participants, but read it and then you can decide for yourself if the results were motivating enough for you to try some changes for yourself.  One of the important findings, to me, was that the extent of the results were proportional to the amount of change that the participants undertook.  Check it out...but don't expect to find any magic pills.
 
 
 

Fairwind
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   Posted 11/15/2010 5:39 PM (GMT -6)   
From the supplements aisle, the currant favorites are pomegranate juice/extract, Vitamin D-3, fish oil, green tea, aspirin, anti-oxidants like selenium and IP-6, anything Soy..

Past favorites include Saw Palmetto now out of favor..

Avodart and Finasteride, you could call them "HT Lite", may slow things down without taking on the full side-effect load..

It all seems to depend on who you talk to, which doctor you confide in, what book you read..
Age 68.
PSA at age 55: 3.5, DRE normal. Advice, "Keep an eye on it".
age 58: 4.5
" 61: 5.2
" 64: 7.5, DRE "Abnormal"
" 65: 8.5, " normal", biopsy, 12 core, negative...
" 66 9.0 "normal", 2ed biopsy, negative, BPH, Proscar
" 67 4.5 DRE "normal"
" 68 7.0 third biopsy positive, 4 out of 12, G-6,7, 9
RRP Sept 3 2010, pos margin, one pos vesicle nodes neg. Post Op PSA 0.9 SRT, HT, Dec

Radical
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   Posted 11/15/2010 5:43 PM (GMT -6)   
We have had alot of talk about "Asprin" just lately, might be worth googling it.

Jerry L.
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   Posted 11/15/2010 8:43 PM (GMT -6)   
I guess the magic pills only address one part of this PC show (ED)...I hope someday they have a magic pill for the whole show...
 
Thanks for the info...I'm doing a lot of those things now...Pardon my ignorance, but what is IP-6?
 
I have seen a lot about aspirin lately, but haven't jumped on board yet...Dr. Myers has an interesting video - "When is baby aspirin dangerous" at:
 
 
 
 
 

John T
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   Posted 11/15/2010 9:02 PM (GMT -6)   
No scientific data that has been published and reviewed. Preliminary small study from UCLA shows pomegranite juice to slow psa DT. Preliminary data from UCSF's Active Survielance study shows a singficant benefit from a heart healthy diet and excercise as compared to a control group.
65 years old, rising psa for 10 years from 4 to 40; 12 biopsies and MRIS all negative. Oct 2009 DXed with G6 <5%. Color Doppler biopsy found 2.5 cm G4+3. Combidex clear. Seeds and IMRT, no side affects and psa .1 at 1.5 years.

Fairwind
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   Posted 11/15/2010 9:04 PM (GMT -6)   
IP-6 = Inositol Hexaphosphate.. Some obscure studies give it powerful anti-cancer properties, especially against PC.. Google will take you there..

Postop
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   Posted 11/16/2010 2:37 AM (GMT -6)   
For all of these studies that might report a longer PSA doubling time, ask the question, compared to what? If the answer is "compare to expected, the study is meaningless. If you select a group of patient with mild disease for a study, the doubling time will be longer, no matter how they are treated. You could treat them with bubble gum and they would do well. The only meaningful study would have a control group that is treated with a placebo, and be randomized. Otherwise, ignore it.

zufus
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   Posted 11/16/2010 3:43 PM (GMT -6)   
The truthful answer is yes, however it was not a big enough sampling to reach Journals and the medical big establishment and of course, the drug companies would cry if anything other than what they sell is worth anything. They won't even like you hearing that an apple a day keeps the doc away...no you need Anzanitrol or whatever junk they come up with (LOL). Almost no medical establish will give any creedance to supplements, foods, or anything that is not a controlled drug with an Rx, i.e. they like control and your money and your dependency upon them.
 
A localized study was done in Michigan among some reknown hospitals whom actually gave a darn on their own merits, I presume.  I saw the presentation years ago at a PCa seminar given by a local oncologist whom also is dedicated to PCa and whom openly looks at anything and everything and is skeptical of the system as we all know it.  Anyway the findings in this study using maybe  500 patients or somewhere near such, had it into groups one being androgen dependent PCa patients and the other being refractive patients (hrpca types) and compared results of these specialized food agents and the effects on their psa. They found that these food useages slowed psa doubling times or velocities and in the non-refractive patients acquired some stabilization of psa durations and some with declines. Even in refractive patients (scary scenarios) these items slowed down velocity and doubling times, not reversing psa levels like in could in the other group...still valuable to know for a patient to have consideration or try it out on for ones self. What kinds of items used:
 
Soy (Genistein)
Lycopene  (tablet form I think was more potent than cooked tomatoes or vice versa???)
Carotinoids (also useful)
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Looks like other stuff may be useful too: some teas, watermelon, broccoli, cauliflower, dark chocolate, certain nuts, Salmon,  safer oils like Olive Oil (better perhaps to use), wine, some juices, bright colored fruits and vegetables as a generalization.  These may help boost your immune system and such, possibly useful in slowing progression or doubling times....No not cures or incredible remissions! 

BuiDoi
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   Posted 11/17/2010 5:43 AM (GMT -6)   
OPC
I was taking OPCXtra prior to surgery, and it seemed to drop the final PSA..
I had the wicked cut, because the UDocs offered 95% guaranteed cure.. and there was NO guarantee with Supplements.... I have a friend who has reversed his Brain-Cancer via taking 'therapeutic-doses of OPC'..

VitaminD is also highly recommended.
The Pomegranate is suspected to be just an alternative source of strong anti-oxidants, but what you are fighting the battle, EVERYTHING should be considered.

MAY - why do they all say may.. Because once they say can or will or does, then the supplement supplier is required to PROVE the claim at dramatic cost..
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Nov 2009 = First-PSA 5.3 @ 60yo - Asymptomatic - DRE-Non-Palpable
Jan-'10 = TRUS Bx DX - AdenoCar T1c - GS(3+3)=6 , 5 & 45% max., L-MidZone
May-'10 = RRP-Nrv-Spare
Post Op. GS(3+4)=7, 1.1cm3, Pos Margins, EPE (focal) Lateral Left
Margin-Involvement (extensive) Posterior , Grade3 x 8mm
+8week PSA<0.01, ED-85%, Incont-30%
+16W PSA<0.01, ED -85%, Cont -5%
+17W First 'DRY' day. ED -90%

BuiDoi
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   Posted 11/17/2010 3:17 PM (GMT -6)   
PS - Re the original question
 
 - I am unaware of ANY partial or difinitive study on the subject.
Understand that NO ONE travelling in the PC-Gravy-Train will have any interest in alternatives.
In addition, their Professional-Indemnity-Insurance would not cover unproven and untested alternative therapy.
 
{It all seems to depend on who you talk to, which doctor you confide in, what book you read..}
Always remember that the books are written by those for whom it worked..   I suspect that there will be many readers, who themselves, did not get to write a book and have been forgotten by all but their families..
 
 
When we hear the  "C"  word for the first time, many consider (as I did) that if life-style gave ME cancer, then Life-Style may cure it. 
I know of a chap who took himself out of his normal life and went to the country and simply worked off the cancer.   He walked to town to buy fresh and local food of very specific type  (no red meat... etc.)..  
 
He refused Chemo or Radiation as he worked in the industry and KNEW all to well, the longer term results, from the many that he saw returning with later cancers etc.  
IMHO - The  INDUSTRY  does not want us to consider this issue as their task is to FIX the current problem.
 
We continually hear that there are things in the Amazon that can cure any human ailment,
and the Good Book says  "and he gave plants and trees with which man can heal himself"..
 
Can natural-self-therapy work?   I do believe so...!
Can anyone tell the the right combination ?   I doubt it...!  Cancer has a ginetic component !
 
There is a process that is said to give the BEST results..   A blood sample is used to isolate YOUR  genetic cancer, and this cancer is cultured and grown and then subjected (in Sweeden - I think) to all the known/claimed anti-cancer/killer agents.
This includes conventional Chemo-Agents and then all the others like Pomegranate, Vitamins etc. etc.
You are then given a list of  the highest effeciveness  Chemo-Agents and Natural-Agents.
 
BUT --  yes, that BUT ---  The cost is very high..   I think my quote was about $10000.
 
At days end, you will be left with an uncertainty as to what is happening to you, and few within the medical profession will give you support...
At days end - I chickened out, because my PC was well defined and the professionals could offer statistics, and ( other than  ED ) I had little to lose..
 
We, on this forum, well know the dilemma faced by all, when you hear that word.....!
 
For an interesting insight   see  
This refers to a relatively new therapy of PROTON radiation, and within some of the references, they make the point of how secondary-damaging , normal radiation is.. ( and how Proton Radiation is supposedly better )
 
Some of the observations about a new book are also interesting..  Have a read
 
It will take a very strong will to follow the path of  DIY  cancer cure..  Family support will be paramount !
 
We all become experts (in our own minds) as we fight the cancer fight.  Many on here are more expert because of their more detailed experiences..
 
Our thoughts are with you...  All the way !   wink
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Post Edited (BuiDoi) : 11/17/2010 1:30:33 PM (GMT-7)

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