vitamin D again....

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F8
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   Posted 11/30/2010 7:32 AM (GMT -6)   
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101130/ap_on_he_me/us_med_healthbeat_vitamin_d
age: 55
PSA on 12/09: 6.8
no symptoms, no prostate enlargement
12/12 cores positive....gleason 3+4 = 7
HT, BT and IGRT
received 3rd and last lupron shot 9/14/10

Purgatory
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   Posted 11/30/2010 9:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Hope this report tampers some of the over zealous here that almost act OCD about Vit D input. People are always looking for the easy answer, the quick cure, something to grab control of. I think there are folks that just don't have a grip on the nature and mechanics of cancer. You aren't going to be able to control it with vitamins and supplements, no matter how hard you wish.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Arnie
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   Posted 11/30/2010 9:43 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm one of those who is taking Vitamin D-3 supplements-----------in a seemingly massive dose--under a doctor's care. I'm not bumping my levels up in the hopes of warding off a PCa reoccurance, nor am I taking it to specifically prevent another cancer. If you read the article, you'll see it has prompted mixed reactions form the medical community. Once again, (with gusto), Vitamin D-3 is not actually a vitamin. It is a prohormone essential to the sound functioning of the entire endocrine system. If you are low, like I and many others here are or were, then you owe it to yourself to get your level into lab range; preferably in the middle. The study warns against overly high doses that result in overly high levels. That is not my aim nor most of the others here who are looking to increase their levels.
 
Arnie (supplementing) in DE

Purgatory
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   Posted 11/30/2010 11:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Arnie, there are absolutely people that need larger doses, under medical supervision. Nothing wrong with that.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Putt
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   Posted 11/30/2010 11:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Arnie, I agree with you 100%.  Have been there and done that also under a doctors care, for a specific reason.  D3, Calcium Citrate, along with a bisphosphonate are being used to correct for an ADT side effect of bone breakdown or resorption.  I was taking 6000 iu a day for about 6 months until my D3 blood level reached mid range.  I will continue with 2000 per day, plus the Ca and Fosamax in order to contain and possibly improve my bone density.
 
Purgatory, My Oncologist and I have a grip on my supplements. 
PSA at Dx 105 at age 68, 4/04. ADT (Lupron only), RRP, 5/04. Gleason 4+5=9, Staged pT3bc NO MO, 3D rad, 40 treatments, 8/04. PSA 1/05 <0.01. ADT till 7/07. PSA 0.03 12/08, 0.07 4/09, 0.13 8/09, 0.19 12/09, 0.30 4/10, 8/10 0.37. Will start ADT3 after PSA reaches 1.2.

Purgatory
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   Posted 11/30/2010 12:33 PM (GMT -6)   
thats great to hear, putt, i only worry about people that get fixated on vit/supplements on their own without medical supervision.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Putt
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   Posted 11/30/2010 1:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Purgatory, I presume there are very rare cases of vits or sups improving one's PC condition, however I'm a firm believer that once you have it, you will pass on with it or because of it.  I will also argue that to date there is NOT any cure for PC.  There are numerous treatments that can be initiated to control it that may give one decades of some modified QOL, but I am now off subject, so I will not comment further about that.  If one thinks vits and sups work for them, then far be it that I would suggest to them that they don't.
Gary 

Casey59
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   Posted 11/30/2010 2:32 PM (GMT -6)   
The release in the initial posting in this thread has been the target of much backlash.
 
The report "...fell short of truly capturing the extensive and positive research that has consistently supported the need for people to significantly raise their vitamin D levels", for example.
 
Additionally:
"While an increase in the recommendations for vitamin D will benefit the public overall, such a conservative increase for the nutrient lags behind the mountain of research demonstrating a need for vitamin D intake at levels possibly as high as 2,000 IU/day for adults," according to Andrew Shao, Ph.D., senior vice president, scientific and regulatory affairs, CRN. "However, CRN recognizes the challenges associated with the DRI process, and the difficulty in making broad-based recommendations for an entire population.  That is why it is so important for consumers to talk with their doctors or other healthcare professionals, to get their vitamin D levels tested, and determine personalized recommendations that would enable them to increase blood levels of vitamin D as appropriate."
We've seen lots of smart examples here of guys doing exactly this (as described above).
 
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