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Jim is sick
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   Posted 12/6/2010 12:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi everyone...
 
Was supposed to go in for PSA test in Oct. Prostate was nice and relaxed. :) I was looking forward to seeing the results.
 
Well the day before the appointment our house got broken into. Sigh, I had to miss the appointment to fix the bashed in door... Appointment got pushed back to last Friday. I had a relapse of a kidney stone that has been working it's way. At least that's what we think it was. I ended up going in the day before to get some relief. Was switched from Flowmax to Rapaflow, and was given Pyridium. Doc wanted PSA even though I thought it was going to be elevated due to the severe pain I was in. I reluctantly agreed. Well it actually went down. :D
 
I discussed briefly my situation. Doc wants to redo PSA when things calm down again. He recognized I had lost weight. I told him " am basically a vegetarian but I do eat fish and white meat chicken and turkey. It's the diet that is recommended for people doing AS."
 
He replied... "There is no data to support that."
 
Of course this was last Thursday, and I just got the results today...
 
Well I am quite pleased with the results as I have only been on the diet for 7-8 months. I have lost 50 lbs and my PSA history is as follows.
8-7-09, 3.22 
11-13-09, 4.25 
12-6-10, 3.77. :D
 
I went from 210 to 160 even though my pesky sig will not update properly. lol
 
 
48, 5' 8", 210lbs, 170lbs
8-7-09, 3.22
11-13-09, 4.25
2-12-10, 32 cores. 3 reveal PCa, 10%, Gleason 3+3=6, T1C
12-6-10, 3.77
Current Treatment: AS, next appt. Jun. 2010. No meat, no dairy, lots of fruits, nuts, veges.

Preferred Treatment: I just want someone to harvest my immune cells, genetically engineer them to fight my prostate cancer, and then infuse them back into my body.

Post Edited (Jim is sick) : 12/6/2010 10:28:39 AM (GMT-7)


John T
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   Posted 12/6/2010 12:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Tell your doctor to look at the preliminary studiey released by the UCSF program in AS. One group of patients is on a strict diet and the control group is on a regular diet. There have been no progressions thus far of the diet group and the normal 30% progression in the control group.
This may be the best evidence we have of diet influincing the progression of low risk PC. there are also many anacdotal stories (Mellican) of it influencing agressive PC also.
JT
65 years old, rising psa for 10 years from 4 to 40; 12 biopsies and MRIS all negative. Oct 2009 DXed with G6 <5%. Color Doppler biopsy found 2.5 cm G4+3. Combidex clear. Seeds and IMRT, no side affects and psa .1 at 1.5 years.

Purgatory
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   Posted 12/6/2010 12:53 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree with your doctors remark on the diet. But if it made you lose that much weight in such a short period of time, you must be doing something right. And that is great on your psa number.

david
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Jim is sick
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   Posted 12/6/2010 5:26 PM (GMT -6)   
John T said...
Tell your doctor to look at the preliminary studiey released by the UCSF program in AS. One group of patients is on a strict diet and the control group is on a regular diet. There have been no progressions thus far of the diet group and the normal 30% progression in the control group.
This may be the best evidence we have of diet influincing the progression of low risk PC. there are also many anacdotal stories (Mellican) of it influencing agressive PC also.
JT
Hi John,
 
Could you help a guy with the link? I tried to find it, but my google foo is not working for me. I would like to enlighten him. How far along is this study? Thanks for the reply!

Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 12/6/2010 7:27 PM (GMT -6)   
At this point we know that it is healthy to loose the weight. Good for you. If my chance it keeps PCa at bay all the better. What have you got to loose, except more weight.

Now we need a place for you to post the before and after pics.

Congrats.

Cajun Jeff
9/08 PSA 5.4 referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3+4=7 1 positive core in 12 1% cancer core
10/08 Nerve-Sparing open radicalSurgery Path Report Downgrade 3+3=6 GS Stage pT2c margins clea
r3 month: PSA <0.1
19th month: PSA <0.1
Only issue at this time is ED

livinadream
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   Posted 12/6/2010 8:30 PM (GMT -6)   
that is awesome. I will go the diet and exercise route to regardless what anyone says. I feel great and my last psa went down from .71 to .60 some hmmm might be something to it.

peace to you
Dale
My PSA at diagnosis was 16.3
age 47 (current)

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/dalechildress

My gleason score from prostate was 4+5=9 and from the lymph nodes (3 positive) was 4+4=8
I had 44 IMRT's
I was on Lupron, Casodex, and Avodart for two years with my last shot March 2009. I am currently (7-22-2010) not on any medication.
My Oncology hospital is The Cancer Treatment Center of America in Zion IL
PSA July of 2007 was 16.4
PSA May of 2008 was.11
PSA July 24th, 2008 is 0.04
PSA Dec 16th, 2008 is .016
PSA Mar 30th, 2009 is .02
PSA July 28th 2009 is .01
PSA OCt 15th 2009 is .11
PSA Jan 15th 2010 is .13
PSA April 16th of 2010 is .16
PSA July 22nd of 2010 is .71
Testosterone keeps rising, the current number is 156, up from 57 in May

T level dropped to 37 Mar 30th, 2009
cancer in 4 of 6 cores
92%
80%
37%
28%

Jim is sick
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   Posted 12/7/2010 12:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all,

I have spent a few hours searching here and the internet for any preliminary news about a study at the UCSF involving diet and AS. I have seen many people cite it, but there is no link I can find for it. Asking again for any link to this so I can read it for myself.

Um... please! :D
48, 5' 8", 210lbs, 160lbs
8-7-09, 3.22
11-13-09, 4.25
2-12-10, 32 cores. 3 reveal PCa, 10%, Gleason 3+3=6, T1C
12-6-10, 3.77
Current Treatment: AS, next appt. Jun. 2010. No meat, no dairy, lots of fruits, nuts, veges.

Preferred Treatment: I just want someone to harvest my immune cells, genetically engineer them to fight my prostate cancer, and then infuse them back into my body.

tarhoosier
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   Posted 12/7/2010 12:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Is this it?

Ornish, Dean et al: Intensive lifestyle changes may affect the
progression of prostate cancer. The Journal of Urology Vol.
174:1065, 2005.

Casey59
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   Posted 12/7/2010 1:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Jim, best wishes for your continued good results!!!  I hope this helps (and sorry in advance for overkill):
 
 
 

Easy-to-read version:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/08/050811084426.htm

 

More details:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16094059

and here:

http://www.pnas.org/content/105/24/8369.full

 

 

 

This is the area they are looking into next (Telomerase), and have an open clinical trial on:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18799354?dopt=Abstract

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00739791?term=Telomerase&rank=19

 

With more info on Telomerase:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2599779/

 

 

 


Jim is sick
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   Posted 12/7/2010 2:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Casey!

You rock man! :D

I know there is already a thread going on with this exact subject. Sorta went south... This new study shows a very positive, clear and direct correlation between good diet and PCa prevention. Yet people still say there is no data to support that. For the first time in a long time I feel there is hope. Well thanks for the replies. I will see you all in a few months.
48, 5' 8", 210lbs, 160lbs
8-7-09, 3.22
11-13-09, 4.25
2-12-10, 32 cores. 3 reveal PCa, 10%, Gleason 3+3=6, T1C
12-6-10, 3.77
Current Treatment: AS, next appt. Jun. 2010. No meat, no dairy, lots of fruits, nuts, veges.

Preferred Treatment: I just want someone to harvest my immune cells, genetically engineer them to fight my prostate cancer, and then infuse them back into my body.

Casey59
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   Posted 12/7/2010 2:23 PM (GMT -6)   
uh huh.

take care!!

Casey59
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   Posted 12/7/2010 2:57 PM (GMT -6)   
By the way, Jim, read what I hope/believe will be my last post in that "other" thread for a commentary about your doctor's (probably your urologist?) lack of committal/knowledge on the demonstrated benefits of diet, exercise and stress reduction for PC. Don't necessarily blame him for not knowing everything...he still may very well be an excellent urologist/surgeon.
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