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bomber bob
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   Posted 12/7/2010 5:47 AM (GMT -6)   
mad  i I'm new here i had my prostate removed in March this yr
every thing went fine no incontinence only the usual ED
problem.My question is the Doc said he was very pleased
with my progress last 2 PSA 0.03 I started exercising
and I'm down to my correct weight I'm 62 yrs old & feel fine.
But i love my cigarette & beer i live alone have my own
home love to work around the house then find nothing better
than having a cig & drink.I look at it as you only live once and
if you take my two pleasures away from me what have i got.
I have not had a cig or drink since my surgery in March but
man i miss them.Do any other members still smoke after having
there prostate removed I'm very interested.And pls don't tell
they are bad for you i know that, but then again i ate healthy
foods and still got PC.
bomber
 
 

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 12/7/2010 7:16 AM (GMT -6)   
I've been a smoker for 35 years...I quit for 8 months a year ago and will probably attempt quitting again pretty soon. And I drink maybe 3 to 6 beers a week which is way down from what I did ten years ago...
 
It's kind of a quality of life versus a quantity of life issue scool
 
But in the long run, I'm want both...so quitting smoking is high on my list.
Age 55 - 5'11" 215lbs
Overall Heath Condition - Good
PSA - July 2007 & Jan 2008 -> 1.3
Biopsy - 03/04/08 -> Gleason 6
06/25/08 - Da Vinci robotic laparoscopy
05/14/09 - 4th Quarter PSA -> less then .01
11/20/09 - 18 Month PSA -> less then .01
05/18/10 - 24 Month PSA -> less then .01
Surgeon - Keith A. Waguespack, M.D.
Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional..

mgl
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   Posted 12/7/2010 7:21 AM (GMT -6)   
I do not smoke , but I still enjoy my beer, almost 4 years post op

Casey59
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   Posted 12/7/2010 8:09 AM (GMT -6)   

Howdy, Bob, and welcome to HW!  Glad to head that your PC outcomes have been largely successful from surgery.

I know that overcoming the addictive pleasure of smoking is verrry difficult.

I have a co-worker who was diagnosed with lung cancer about 2 years ago. We were all, frankly, surprised to see him come back to work about a year ago (thought he was going to die). His appearance had changed significantly (50 pounds less, gaunt).

about 9 months ago he started smoking again...absolutely floored all of his co-workers.

While it seems to me that no one in the world would more motivated to seek out an anti-cancer regimen than a cancer survivor who wants to be sure he remains a survivor...we see it every now and then, even here at this site, that there is just too much "momentum" which exists in certain aspects of some people's lives which prevents them from bringing about a lifestyle change that their own mind knows is the right thing to do.

You probably subjected yourself to quite a bit (pain, discomfort, cost, etc) to commit and follow-through with PC surgery (I know that I did)...presumably to help keep cancer at bay and (ultimately) to prolong your life.  In other men's cases here, the light has come on at a similar juncture who realize that their old diet and lifestyle (including smoking) is counter-active to that presumption.  Now that they've subjected themselves to an aggressive, intrusive, costly medical treatment (surgery, radiation, chemical/hormone threatments, or even a combination) to extend their lives, they are doing what they can--the things within their control--to further prolong life. 

Using diet as a lifestyle-choice example, it doesn't make a lot of sense to subject oneself to the rigors of surgery (for example) if your diet is going to lead to a heart attack three or four or five years down the road anyhow...what was the point of surgery, then?  Surgery is not a short-term solution.  Perhaps a similar "light will come on" for you, too, given what you've put yourself through, and you will realize that to ignore this reality would be akin to putting your "head in the sand."  Sorry to be blunt.

So to address your question, a moderate amount of beer daily isn't terrible for you; although, a daily glass of red wine would be better since it contains more antioxidants shown to help improve many aspects of health. Smoking will shorten your life...there is no two ways about that, but you already know that.
 
from the heart...best regards...

Post Edited (Casey59) : 12/7/2010 9:10:43 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 12/7/2010 9:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Bob,
 
Welcome to HW. Sounds like you have been doing well.
 
I had DaVinci in Oct '09, and have had to give up beer (and anything else carbonated) as they all cause incontinence problems. So If I drink a beer in the evening, it will be a multi-pad night. From my point of view, as much as I like a good beer, it is bad for me in the very short term.
 
I quit smoking years ago when the money ran out before the rent was paid, so I'm not reformed, and won't chide you there.
 
Do keep up the exercise, that helps a lot.
 
 

RCS
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   Posted 12/7/2010 10:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Bob,
 
As a past smoker I know the pleasure that smoking a cigarette can bring .... especially with a beer; howver, please don't restart smoking.  
 
Its hard to think of anything you could do that would be harder on your heart and lungs.

Putt
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   Posted 12/7/2010 10:52 AM (GMT -6)   
I quit smoking a couple of months after my PC surgery.  Two years ago I was Dx'd with COPD.  27% lung function.  Yeh, I know, no sermons please, however I told my wife that when Hospice walks in the door for either the PC or COPD, they need to bring a carton of smokes with them because I'm smoking my way out.
PSA at Dx 105 at age 68, 4/04. ADT (Lupron only), RRP, 5/04. Gleason 4+5=9, Staged pT3bc NO MO, 3D rad, 40 treatments, 8/04. PSA 1/05 <0.01. ADT till 7/07. PSA 0.03 12/08, 0.07 4/09, 0.13 8/09, 0.19 12/09, 0.30 4/10, 8/10 0.37. Will start ADT3 after PSA reaches 1.2.

F8
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   Posted 12/7/2010 5:28 PM (GMT -6)   
>>Do any other members still smoke after having
there prostate removed I'm very interested.And pls don't tell
they are bad for you i know that, but then again i ate healthy
foods and still got PC.<<
 
let's call it pretzel logic cool .  if you want to smoke...well, smoke.  i quit smoking more than19 years ago and quit everything else about 1.5 years before and my QOL would be perfect if it weren't for the prostate cancer treatment i've received in the past year.  if your lungs go can you can always chew the gum.
 
ed

Casey59
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   Posted 12/7/2010 5:48 PM (GMT -6)   
F8 said...
>>i quit smoking more than19 years ago and quit everything else about 1.5 years before and my QOL would be perfect if it weren't for the prostate cancer treatment i've received in the past year. 
 
You must be joking son, where did you get those shoes?

F8
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   Posted 12/7/2010 5:51 PM (GMT -6)   
i know what i'm listening to at the gym today cool .
 
ed
 
 
age: 55
PSA on 12/09: 6.8
no symptoms, no prostate enlargement
12/12 cores positive....gleason 3+4 = 7
HT, BT and IGRT
received 3rd and last lupron shot 9/14/10

Casey59
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   Posted 12/7/2010 5:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Only a fool would say that while you are reelin' in the years, Bodhisattva. Any major dude will tell you it"s Black Friday, and time to do it again. Dirty work? Through with buzz, Charlie Freak.

Putt
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   Posted 12/7/2010 5:59 PM (GMT -6)   
WHAT??????????????????????????

Purgatory
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   Posted 12/7/2010 6:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Sounded like a statement by someone high on something, lol.

I quit smoking the night before my open RP in November 2008, and have never looked back. I had only smoked for about 5 years, and I have never looked back or missed the dirty habit. The oncology dietician I speak to said there was no point in someone worrying about diet issues if they are are regular smoker, as the smoking will do more harm and negate any of the good in any dietary changes. Something to think about.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

BillyMac
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   Posted 12/7/2010 6:38 PM (GMT -6)   
I remember well how tough it was to give up smoking. I started at maybe 17 and smoked till I was about 28. Over that 10 years I tried giving up about 1/2 dozen times ------ once for 6 months, but slipped back. Had no patches etc back then so it was cold turkey. I don't know what was different the last time ------- I was just determined not to do it again. I will tell you the first week is really tough .........the first month really hard. It does get easier with time but the inclination to resume will still be there on and off for a couple of years. The danger is "I'll just have one"------- then it is "the occasional one" and before you know it you're back. I will say though it is immensely satisfying to completely kick the habit and inclination and there really is no-one who is more anti-smoking than a reformed smoker. There is so much to gain apart from money. The only real pleasure in smoking is satisfying the craving ------eliminate the craving and there really is no pleasure in smoking. (think about the first couple of cigarettes you ever smoked)
Bill

Post Edited (BillyMac) : 12/7/2010 4:44:00 PM (GMT-7)


Herophilus
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   Posted 12/7/2010 6:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Steely Dan, Buddhism, and PC....very clever !
I really like you guys !
jnm

NEIrish
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   Posted 12/7/2010 7:02 PM (GMT -6)   
about 1200 Americans die daily from tobacco use. about 200 die daily of alchohol related deaths in America. Alchohol also messes up your ed recovery (those expensive ed drugs don't work too well with drinking). Hmm. What to do, what to do...
Husband 60yrs., no symptms: PSA 10/04 2.73, 12/06 3.64, 5/09 3.9, 10/09 4.6, 1/10 5.0w/ free PSA 24
6 core biop 4/1/10 path rept: rt mid: adnocarc. G=3+3, 5% of core; R apx v. susp. minute ca, R base bnign w/ mod. atrophy, L side atrphy only; 2nd opnion JH confrmd
MRI - 15mm nodule
BiLatRP surg 7/6/10, path: T2c, nodes, sem.ves, extra caps. neg., adenoc both sides G=3+3 cntinent, Viagr-8/27 ED

Putt
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   Posted 12/7/2010 7:27 PM (GMT -6)   
BillyMac
I'm not one of those ordinary anti-smoking reformed smokers. I still love the smell of cigarette smoke, even if its second hand. I would discourage anyone from doing it, however, there is no He** fire darnation coming from me to anyone. Its really none of my business. I will congratulate those who have given it up. Its not easy to do....................
PSA at Dx 105 at age 68, 4/04. ADT (Lupron only), RRP, 5/04. Gleason 4+5=9, Staged pT3bc NO MO, 3D rad, 40 treatments, 8/04. PSA 1/05 <0.01. ADT till 7/07. PSA 0.03 12/08, 0.07 4/09, 0.13 8/09, 0.19 12/09, 0.30 4/10, 8/10 0.37. Will start ADT3 after PSA reaches 1.2.

compiler
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   Posted 12/7/2010 7:54 PM (GMT -6)   
What a great first post!! You are getting plenty of responses.
 
I smoked in the 7th and 8th grade, to be cool, I guess.
 
For some reason, I was able to quit in the 9th grade.
 
Hence, I am a non-smoker. I drink very little, but will at the right social occassion (like this upcoming cruise!)
 
Mel

Jerry L.
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   Posted 12/7/2010 8:37 PM (GMT -6)   
My whole life, I never smoked and drank only on rare occasions. Great weight and seldom needed to visit a doctor. That is of course until my 44th year. The standard questions nurses ask now days (do you smoke/drink) seem to bring out the sarcastic side of me. After RP, I used to tell them that I never did before, but was going to start. As of late, I am more polite.

I vote for not starting back up. Eat right, don't smoke, drink in moderation and Stay Healthy.
Nov. 2009 Dx at Age 44
Dec. 2009 DaVinci Robotic Surgery
Jan. 2010 T3b, Gleason 9
Feb. 2010 Adjuvant Radiation

PSA History:
-----------------
Nov. 2009 4.30
Feb. 2010 <.05
May 2010 <.05
Aug. 2010 <.05
Nov. 2010 <.05

bomber bob
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   Posted 12/7/2010 9:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for all your replies i agree with nearly all of them
But then i think you don't know what life has to dish up
who thought i would get PC this time last yr i felt fit & healthy
So i think why not enjoy your self you don't know how long
we will be here so why not do what you enjoy, I was going
to say a smoke and a poke but the 2nd is out so it is a smoke.
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