no mention of prostate in the healthcare bill

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fulltlt
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   Posted 12/11/2010 6:07 AM (GMT -6)   
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“It is really paradoxical because women in many ways are doing better than men, so for example, if you do a search in the health care bill there is not one mention of ‘prostate’ and are over 40 mentions of ‘breast’ and men are tax payers, they should get equal health treatment,” Roth told The Daily Caller"


While enlightening it doesn't surprise me.
age 57 2/2010
PSA 8.2 2/2010
biopsy 2/2010 - 2 of 8 left & 2 of 8 right positive, Gleason 3+4=7
attended support group - advised to get a second opinion
second opinion on pathology from Johns Hopkins 4+4=8
PSA 15 4/2010
5 weeks IMRT 4/2010-6/2010 at Copley Hospital in Aurora, IL
91 implants of palladium 103 7/2010 at Chicago Prostate Center, Westmont, IL
PSA 3.97 10/2010
no ED or incontinence

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 12/11/2010 6:46 AM (GMT -6)   
I could be wrong, but aren't there more women that get breast cancer then there are men that get PC...Then there's the part about women are much more likly to die from breast cancer....

clocknut
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   Posted 12/11/2010 8:57 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't think it's helpful to frame any discussion of how various cancers are approached and treated in terms of "us" versus "them," but here's an article that compares breast cancer and prostate cancer numbers:  http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/80165/the_great_dichotomy_breast_cancer_versus.html?cat=5
 
I think it's of interest that certain other cancers that affect women are not attacked with the same fervor as breast cancer:  uterine cancer, ovarian cancer and others receive considerably less attention than does breast cancer.
 
Men, and women for that matter, perceive the female breast as perhaps the ultimate symbol of femininity.  We're repulsed at the thought of cancer striking that most significant, most prominent aspect of a woman's beauty.  The results of treatment can be disfiguring and extremely difficult for the woman to deal with.
 
I haven't expressed this as well as I would like, but I just think it's inevitable that breast cancer will always receive more public attention than other types of cancer. 
 
What amazes me most is not the different ways in which breast cancer and prostate cancer are approached.  I'm more surprised that children's cancers aren't paid more attention.  It's those brave little kids suffering silently at places like St. Jude's or at Children's Memorial in Chicago that have the greatest pull on my heartstrings.
 
The bottom line, of course, is that every cancer is a horrible affliction, whether it's skin cancer or brain cancer, or anything in the entire cancer spectrum.
 
 

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 12/11/2010 10:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Steve,
There some 230,000 cases of prostate cancer diagnosed each year. However, there some 78,000 cases of beast cancer diagnosed each year. But when you look at disease specific survival, breast cancer takes more lives...35,000 women will die of breast cancer while 28,000 men will die of PCa.


Tony
Disease:
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
RALP ~ 2/17/2007 at the City of Hope near Los Angeles.
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.

Status:
"I beat up this disease and took its lunch money! I am in remission."
I am currently not being treated, but I do have regular oncology visits.
I am the president of an UsTOO chapter in Las Vegas

Blog : www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

daveshan
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   Posted 12/11/2010 10:21 AM (GMT -6)   
clocknut said...

Men, and women for that matter, perceive the female breast as perhaps the ultimate symbol of femininity. We're repulsed at the thought of cancer striking that most significant, most prominent aspect of a woman's beauty. The results of treatment can be disfiguring and extremely difficult for the woman to deal with.



^ QFT Plus it's hardwired in our nature to protect the woman.

Besides what kind of catchy slogan could we come up with, the women have "Save the TaTa's" what would we say, "Save the Walnut"?

Sorry, serious subject but couldn't resist.

FLHW(David E)
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   Posted 12/11/2010 10:59 AM (GMT -6)   
TC-LasVegas said...
Steve,
There some 230,000 cases of prostate cancer diagnosed each year. However, there some 78,000 cases of beast cancer diagnosed each year. But when you look at disease specific survival, breast cancer takes more lives...35,000 women will die of breast cancer while 28,000 men will die of PCa.
Tony


Actually in 2010 the number is expected to grow to 32,000!

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 12/11/2010 11:56 AM (GMT -6)   
I saw that David,
Of course the "projected" versus the "actual" tend to be a bit differing, so my numbers are retrospective. Still, the incidence of prostate cancer versus the incidence of breast cancer is not even close. It will be interesting to see if the current trend by the ACS and others will make for less men screened, and thus diagnosed, yet with higher incidence of mortality. It won't be fun, but it will be interesting...I would hate to see higher death rates in prostate cancer, but that's the logical thing that will happen if less men are screened.

Tony
Disease:
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
RALP ~ 2/17/2007 at the City of Hope near Los Angeles.
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.

Status:
"I beat up this disease and took its lunch money! I am in remission."
I am currently not being treated, but I do have regular oncology visits.
I am the president of an UsTOO chapter in Las Vegas

Blog : www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

pogmothoin
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   Posted 12/11/2010 11:31 PM (GMT -6)   
TC, where did you find the 78k figure for breast cancer? The number I have found on a few different sites is 207,090 estimated in 2010. That puts the mortality rate for breast cancer and PCa close to the same.

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 12/12/2010 1:23 AM (GMT -6)   
Pog,
I stand corrected. I cited my facts sheet incorrectly and showed the incidence of colorectal cancer in women for 2007. The incidence of death was the correct figure for that year.

This publication from the ACS shows the 2009 estimates on page 4:
www.cancer.org/acs/groups/content/@nho/documents/document/f861009final90809pdf.pdf

In 2009 it is estimated that 28,000 men died of prostate cancer. That versus 40,000 women. It is worth noting that less women are dying from breast cancer, but more men are dying from prostate cancer.

Thank you for the raised flag. I hate when I miss a mark.

Tony
Disease:
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
RALP ~ 2/17/2007 at the City of Hope near Los Angeles.
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.

Status:
"I beat up this disease and took its lunch money! I am in remission."
I am currently not being treated, but I do have regular oncology visits.
I am the president of an UsTOO chapter in Las Vegas

Blog : www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

pogmothoin
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Total Posts : 84
   Posted 12/13/2010 2:10 PM (GMT -6)   
I wish some mainstream journalist would pick up this story and report it with less of an obvious slant. For instance, I downloaded the PDF of the the healthcare bill and there's nowhere near 40 mentions of "breast" that I could find, and most of them were not in reference to cancer, more often it had to do with nursing, etc.
Age at diagnosis 5/10: 49
PSA: 5/08 1.6, 5/10 4.7
Initial GS 7 (4+3)
Biopsy: 14 out of 15 positive, up to 95%
Bone scan and CT clear
RRP on 7/20/10 by Dr William Catalona at Northwestern
about 40% nerve-sparing on each side, with bilateral nerve graft performed
Final GS 7 (4+3) with a tertiary amount (less than 5%) showing at 5
PSA 8/23/10 1.59, confirmed 8/26/10 1.7

Bob D
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   Posted 12/14/2010 1:52 AM (GMT -6)   
That is because prostate cancer is the "good" cancer or so I have been told by some. I tell them it is not good if you have it. All cancer is bad including  prostate cancer. Too bad that never made it into the thousands of pages of the bill that no one read before approving.
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