What would I know about anything. I am in the same boat as you ALL.
I see real scientific reports on Horphag Pycnogenol (Pine-Bark-Extract), and now on Pomegranate-Juice, and I simply ask - If the good Lord gave us "Good Foods - that heal us", then what is it within those foods that makes them GOOD. I look beyond the individual , to the whole ! We do have to accept that just like formal medications, approved by the FDA, natural healing, will not work the same for EVERYONE. So provided that it can't HURT, then it worth considering.
In EVERY case where formal study using Double-Blind or other testing are used, they declare that it is the "Anti-Oxidants, and the Bio-Flavorniods etc." that is doing the good. Does one then think that these materials are the ones doing the GOOD and accompanied by the nice taste of the original food..
If I then study other foods, (enter the ARS) then I find those same (but) untested materials in other foods, and I think - "well , if they have proved that these materials have the health-benefits suggested, then the same chemicals in a concentrated form MUST by definition, be even better."
"The way I read that, and the promoted 'Typical' ORAC values, then the Red Delicious apple is approaching twice as 'healthy' for ORAC vales as pom juice and approaching the same value of eating the pom's raw. If that is so, and apples equals pom's, in this case, then an apple would be much cheaper that the pom fruit and the juice, correct? If so, then attention needs to be moved to the healthy medical effect of the old saying- an apple a day keeps the doctor (and in this case, by inference- cancer) away. Does this reasoning fail somewhere along the line? If we consider the ORAC value as to some beneficial value, then it would seem so.?"
NOW - James C. - you know that I did not make up these figures and I included a variety to show that a Cucumber is barely worth the eating effort (but for the taste), and a Pecan Nut is very good for you. I am foolishly prepared to BELIEVE that if Formal study of concentrated "Pine-Bark-Tea" is far-far better than the tea itself, and if Pomegranate-Extract is far better than the Juice itself, then I AM prepared to consider that 'Green-Tea' extract is better than Green-tea, and 'Grape-Seed' extract is better than eating grapes, and that if I can buy a combination of MANY of these, in a single, affordable product, then , even without a full scientific double-blind test, then there HAS to be greater benefit. ENTER OPCXtra and my OCD obsession for it.. Don't stop at OPCXtra, there is just so many.. as I have repeatedly stated.. OPC-3, Resveratrols of many brands, Pycnogenol, etc.etc. but which of them carry pages of testimonials ?
NO - I am I NOT so crazy that I have them ALL lined up on the shelf, and I don't take each , just in case one or more has lied to me like the Pharma-Companies. I started on OPC-3 and have chosen OPCXtra.. I have felt the results within MY body. I have seen the results in many others. AND - I look forward to the planned inclusion of Pomegranate Extract, possibly within the next year.
YES - these guys are making MONEY from our missery.. BUT - the Pharma-Companies are making far, far more for drugs that we KNOW have serious side-effects, and we accept that, because the FDA has approved them.
There is NOTHING wrong with Pom-Juice. It has to be fantastic, but just as asprin has been concentrated from the Willow-Bark, so too do I want the BIG hit of concentrated extracts from as many discrete sources as I can. Will we ever see a similar study of Apple-Juice - I suspect not. Surely they can "STUDY" a few foods, work out what it is the is doing the Good-Stuff, and then measure the Good-Stuff in other foods
Call me OCD 'cause I bloody well am !
PS - Be sure to eat the ENTIRE apple, as the tiny amount of poison within the seed, is known to attach to Cancer calls by preference
PPS - Thanks to those who have emailed , confirming that THEY do believe.
PPPS -"and they have a very impressive antioxidant rating, higher that the well known levels in red wine, green tea, blueberries and cranberries. "
It's frustrating that some of the claims being made by the 'pushers' of these products, seem to conflict with what we could consider as science.. James.C picked up on the Apples, and then there is the Cranberries, which according to ARS, is twice as good as Pom-Juice.. I suppose that if the statement is correct that the Pom-Industry spent $20M promoting the industry, then you can understand why the Pom-Subject is so out front.. An extra benefit of the Extracts is that the Fructose has been removed and that is a whole new line -- Fructose and Cancer.. BlueBerries reads every bit as good as the Pom. I suppose that they need to also spend $20M on promotion for someone to act.
Just read the ARS and decide for yourself ! I notice not effect until after three months on OPC-3 and then OPCXtra...
Post Edited (BuiDoi) : 12/19/2010 2:24:18 PM (GMT-7)