Beginning to really dread the weekends here.

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James C.
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   Posted 12/19/2010 2:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I am really beginning to dread the weekends here. It seems that people sorta let go and become crankier, more argumentative, more sensitive to perceived implications, etc. than during the week. smhair

I don't know if the medicinal wine and other spirits are flowing more freely then, or people have more time to spend on the Forum, or are more bored than during the week, but the majority of my editing and most of the discussions turned arguments happen from Friday night to Monday morning. confused

Maybe we should consider suspending access during those periods? devil No, seriously, has anyone else noticed this trend? tongue
James C. Age 63
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Sparing open RRP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., all clear except:
Probable microscopic involvement of the left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 04/10-.06, 09/10-.09- Uh-Oh, next in Feb.
ED-total-Bimix 30cc

F8
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   Posted 12/19/2010 2:15 PM (GMT -6)   
i just thought it was slower on the weekends.  being contentious is a sign of life for some people so it's probably not all bad cool .
 
ed
age: 55
PSA on 12/09: 6.8
no symptoms, no prostate enlargement
12/12 cores positive....gleason 3+4 = 7
HT, BT and IGRT
received 3rd and last lupron shot 9/14/10

Jazzman1
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   Posted 12/19/2010 2:52 PM (GMT -6)   
I've noticed a general trend toward crankiness and contentiousness lately, but I've always been amazed that this forum is as civil as it is. Most online forums are bile-fests. The moderators here do a fantastic job; we should buy them all beer.

If you think it's bad now, just wait 'till New Year's Eve. turn

Purgatory
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   Posted 12/19/2010 2:54 PM (GMT -6)   
No comment. That isn't even the real issue, has nothing to do with the weekend.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 12/19/2010 3:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I just dont understand why people want to get disturbed on a forum. People post their thoughts. If you disagree with them thats fine. If you agree you can post your point. We are all grown men. If I find a thread that is bothersome to me I jsut skip of it and dont open it any more.

Life is too short to get in a pissing contest over words on a forum. I am here for support and to give support. Thats it plain and simple.

Guys I give you great respect for all that you do here.

Cajun jeff
9/08 PSA 5.4 referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3+4=7 1 positive core in 12 1% cancer core
10/08 Nerve-Sparing open radicalSurgery Path Report Downgrade 3+3=6 GS Stage pT2c margins clea
r3 month: PSA <0.1
19th month: PSA <0.1
2 year PSA <0.1
Only issue at this time is ED but getting better

Patches
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   Posted 12/19/2010 3:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Well said corvette man.
Age 49 years old with no family history of PCa. but had testicular cancer in 1985.

PSA on 3-8-2010 was a 5.6
PSA re-take on 3-17-2010 was a 4.4
Biopsy collected on 4-17-2010 showed 2 of 12 cores malignant with Gleason scores of 3+3 Stage T1C.
RALP surgery 7-21-2010 at Hopkins.
Pathology report revealed that the cancer was organ confined, all margins negative and a Gleason score of 6.

clocknut
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   Posted 12/19/2010 3:33 PM (GMT -6)   
I've noticed that people hold strong opinions on certain recurring issues:  surgery vs. radiation; open vs. robotic; benefit of nutritional supplements; how to select a surgeon; where to have your procedure done; meaning of ultra sensitive PSA numbers; and the list goes on.  Medical experts hold differing views on the same topics, and just about every aspect of PCa treatment, so it's not likely that there will be universal agreement here, and highly improbable that there will be definitive answers.  I know I'm not an expert on any aspect of PCa, and I know there are guys here who know a lot more about it than I do, but much of what we "know" turns out to be theory and opinion, and if guys want to fight over who has the better set of opinions and beliefs, I don't know how to stop it.  There's a lot of good stuff passed on here to those who are newly diagnosed and seeking answers, but precious little that's worth playing mind games over.  When I found this site, I was happy to see how other men were handling/have handled some of the things I was going through.  I didn't expect to find expert medical advice.  If I want that, I'll trust my chosen urologist/surgeon.  So, why be less than civil, and why argue?  We're all fighting the same war in different ways, and 99 percent of the time that's what I see here..  Cajun Jeff said it pretty well.

BillyMac
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   Posted 12/19/2010 4:26 PM (GMT -6)   
corvetteman3 said...
I just dont understand why people want to get disturbed on a forum. People post their thoughts. If you disagree with them thats fine. If you agree you can post your point. We are all grown men. If I find a thread that is bothersome to me I jsut skip of it and dont open it any more.

Life is too short to get in a pissing contest over words on a forum. I am here for support and to give support. Thats it plain and simple.

Guys I give you great respect for all that you do here.

Cajun jeff


Jeff, basically I do agree with you. If I make a post I expect others who don't agree with what I have to say to either post a different point of view or point out where I may be wrong. But some posters want to use the forum to demonstrate what they feel is their intellectual superiority and treat the differing views of others with contempt. When this happens you are going to get a reaction. The key to harmony is agree to disagree but do it with respect.
Bill

Purgatory
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   Posted 12/19/2010 5:28 PM (GMT -6)   
billy,

i agree with the spirit of cajun jeff's post, we are on the same page, and i agree with what you just said. i never expect anyone or everyone to agree with anything i say. i preach all the time: none of us are medical experts, nor should we pretend too. all we have is our opinions (all of equal value in my eyes) and our experiences ( which are unique to each of our journey) and we all fight different battles with the same enemy: prostate cancer.

we dont need the "intellectual superiority" part you mention, nor the condenscending remarks that accompany that attitude, all it does is provoke ill feelings and animosity in general. yes, agree to disagree. no reason for anyone here to be dogmatic and demanding with their opinions.

david
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

goodlife
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   Posted 12/19/2010 5:43 PM (GMT -6)   
At the same time, we need to refrain from saying whatever comes into our head. I hear inflammatory statements from guys on here who feel they are being inflamed. It is a 2 way street. No, that is not a slam, or indirect remark about anyone. We all are guilty at different times.

James, we do appreciate your patience with a bunch of guys who are a little cranky. It is this darn PC that gets us up on the wrong side of bed every morning.

Maybe we need a gloves off chat room somewhere where we can duke it out once in s while.
Goodlife
 
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01
1 year psa (364 days) .01
15 month PSA <.01

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 12/19/2010 6:00 PM (GMT -6)   
James C,
First I want to thank everybody from both of us for the very kind remarks and support they give us. Many times I see the brotherhood at work. They just don't stick out in public as well as a conflict does.

But yes. The weekend posts do tend to have a higher content of conflict :-(

It was that way before I got here. My predecessor, the wonderful Ms. Bluebird, was keenly aware of this phenomena. The traffic patterns are different, too. We had some guesses as to why, too.

Thank you all for your help and thank you James C for your wonderful commitment to this website, too. This is truly a wonderful website ~ even on the weekend.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLgLfD3wElQ

Tony

Post Edited (TC-LasVegas) : 12/19/2010 4:04:28 PM (GMT-7)


daveshan
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   Posted 12/19/2010 6:18 PM (GMT -6)   
I've only been here about a year but I've noticed a trend toward more arguments and less respect for other people's views and treatment choices. I've almost quit visiting due to the thin skins and chips on some folks shoulders. Pity the new sufferer who checks in on a thread looking for help during a scary time and sees a bunch of 3rd grade schoolyard behavior.

This is still the best forum on the net but I think some folks are getting a bit argumentative just because they have developed a dislike for other members. BillyMac said it best, if you disagree do it with respect.

kbota
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   Posted 12/19/2010 7:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Jeff said; "We are all grown men."

BillyMac; "....do it with respect."

Those two statements sum up (almost) my entire belief system. I have, on occasion, been offended by something someone said, and have, (for the most part) ignored them.

guys; Please consider this; One of the things I have discovered in life is that the majority of our perceived "slights" are exactly that; "perceived."

Most grownups would not want to offend anyone, but oftentimes, it happens simply as a result of offering a different point of view. It sometimes requires tact to disagree politely.
But I do not believe that people, in general, just want to be a**holes.

Anyone remember the 20/80 rule?

ahem: 20% of life is made up of what happens to you. 80% of life is decided by how you react to that 20%.

If this doesn't make sense, or if you want more details, please go here:

http://www.consultingmentor.com/Article.asp?424

It's an excellent read.

As an example; This year I found out that I was a Gleason 9 prostate cancer patient. Let's assume that I have 10 years left. If I use 8 of the 10 years being angry and depressed about the G9 PCa, then I have accomplished....what? But, if I use 2 of those years obtaining quality treatment, and the other 8 enjoying life, then what have I accomplished? Big difference eh? How do I want my family to remember granddad?
I see the majority of you guys appropriately applying the 20/80 rule to your PCa....congrats.

Angry energy is wasted energy. (not to be confused with scheming and getting-even energy...lol)

my two pennies.
Age 57 at Dx
5/09 PSA 2.26
6/2010 PSA 3.07 FPSA 18% DRE +
Biopsy, 7 of 18+, >60%, 4+5=9
7/21/2010 - RRP
Nodes neg, Ves neg
tumor contained, still 4+5=9
pni ext.
9/3, 2010 PSA - 0.04
9/3/2010, I'm 99% continent
10/14/10, PSA still 0.04, and lupron #1, now 99.9% continent
Total ED, 3 caverject failed
10/20/10 OD'd .5cc trimix, after 3hrs, neo synephrine shot
tried .15 & .17 cc neg, next .2

Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 12/20/2010 12:01 AM (GMT -6)   
Kbota, Wow I did not know you were that deep! :) Just kidding buddy. Very well said. Another view in that same regard is we let the PC Break or Make us.. It is our choice. I choose to allow it to make me better and stronger. Good can come from Bad!

Cajun jeff
9/08 PSA 5.4 referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3+4=7 1 positive core in 12 1% cancer core
10/08 Nerve-Sparing open radicalSurgery Path Report Downgrade 3+3=6 GS Stage pT2c margins clea
r3 month: PSA <0.1
19th month: PSA <0.1
2 year PSA <0.1
Only issue at this time is ED but getting better

Worried Guy
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   Posted 12/20/2010 12:13 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm starting to dread them too - but for a different reason. A close friend of mine who knows about my PCa has decided I need help splitting wood for winter. My sling surgery is scheduled for Jan 10 and he knows I will not be able to lift anything heavy for 6 weeks.
He has started coming over every Sunday between 8 and 8:30 to help me split and stack wood. He'll work until 2 without a break! He's killing me! I have to change my pee pads 3 times!

I helped him a couple of years ago and I guess he never forgot, darn it.
We're even buddy! We're even! It's cold out there and I want to stay in bed a little longer!

Jeff (wishing for the non-burning kind of wood)

An38
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   Posted 12/20/2010 3:14 AM (GMT -6)   
I have seen plenty of heated discussion on surgery vs radiation and on the benefits and drawbacks of active survellience. And quite honestly that's it and 95% of the time although these discussions are heated because people believe in certain things, they are civil.

Like questionsaboutit, I do not see the problem, I think most of these problems are perception because people dont communicate as well as they should. I find this site extremely supportive and very useful. Occasionally people stray and break a rule - talk about religion or disrespect somebody else but if you count how many posts happen everyday I would bet that less of 1% of this posts need to be removed which is a great stat. The reason for this is our moderators jumping on problems early - thank you guys!

An

James C.
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   Posted 12/20/2010 11:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Good point, AN38.

To ALL:
I have no problems with the 'even heated discussions', I think they are healthy. The problem I have is the thin skins and lack of tolerance for others and the turning a discussion into something personal and attacking others, calling them names, slipping in sarcasm, and just generally losing it. The only time I have any interest in editing or deleting anything or anyone is when the subject and participants turn into making it personal.

I really dislike seeing anyone carry an argument and seeing them slowly, post by post, becoming more frustrated, angry, and becoming even paranoid about others motives in the thread. That's the point I will clean up some of it, usually individual comments when they cross the line. If it seems that the discussion can't be returned to something productive, then it's time to lock it and move on.

Just because you (the collective you, not the personal one) think some discussion is really intellecually stimulating for you, or you have had much experience in debating issues or even that you are absolutely sure you and only you see the one and true truth about something, doesn't mean that you have the right to continue to pound in your point repeatedly, until the time comes that others just have had enough and will begin to strike back. Someone suggested that we make our points once or twice, then stop arguing about it and move on. A smart suggestion.

Well, what I meant to say is if you are edited or deleted, then it is because you have violated the rules, usually by calling someone a name that isn't respectful, or you made a heavy use of sarcasm, or you called someone out, even without saying their name, which is obvious to all. If you provoke a response, don't act all innocent and get upset when you are edited. It isn't the subject that causes it but the subject participating. Also, further rebuttals by the offended party does have to edited out also, so it begins to appear that we/I am taking sides, but we aren't. Sadly, it's the age old problem, the human in the machine. tongue AS I said, discussions are fine, even long uninteresting ones, just don't cross the line into personal attacks or attempting to show how clever you are at sneaking slights and slurs in.
James C. Age 63
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Sparing open RRP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., all clear except:
Probable microscopic involvement of the left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 04/10-.06, 09/10-.09- Uh-Oh, next in Feb.
ED-total-Bimix 30cc

Tim G
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   Posted 12/20/2010 11:47 AM (GMT -6)   
James,
 
Thanks for the reminders about maintaining basic civility on the forum. 
I think that if we members state our own experience and primarily try to be supportive of others rather than support a viewpoint to the extreme then discussions stay away from personal attacks.
 
A key to a good forum is good moderators.  I have known you and Tony for several years and know that we are privileged at this forum to have two awesome moderators. This is a significant time commitment and a thankless task.  Thank you to you and Tony for your watchful eyes on the forum!
 
Tim

PSA quadrupled in one year (0.6 to 2.5)
DRE negative 1 of 12 biopsies positive (< 5%)
RRP surgery June 2006 at age 57
Organ-confined to small pea-sized area, Gleason 5
Bilateral nerve-sparing, prostate weight 34 grams
PSA < 0.1

sheepguy
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   Posted 12/20/2010 11:58 AM (GMT -6)   
I rarely post here, mainly because I have not been diagnosed with PCa, but my dad had it, didn't die from it though and my PSA has been creeping up..so I mainly look in to see what might be coming.

I take it this is all about the nutrition/supplement issue, pom in particular. I am a science guy , so my response will always be "show me the science" BUT, failing that I think guys should do what makes them happy , science or not. Remember the old Steve Martin joke in which he said his doctor gave him a very special drug that works only on a certain special type of person, like him.. it was called "placebo". More truth than poetry (comedy) to that when you think about itl

That being said..I do find it interesting to see the occasional guy say "we know ..such and such"or "it has been shown in many studies" . To which I would say "cite them" and could be snotty and say only peer reviewed scientific journals..but I wouldn't say it here. I want those guys to feel good about what they are doing. Heck, even then you find said jounals saying " the study SUGGESTS that there MIGHt be a connection".

I do the same sort of thing with many things in life. I'm a sheep farmer and when I'm waiting to make hay I watch the weather closely, if I want to start , I just look at all the weather channels until I find a good forecast. We are all looking for good news..even if it only sugests something.

So don't take it so seriously boys...well, I shouldn't say that..don't take it personally the whole darn PCa thing is enough of a cluster $%$#$ already.

Happy Holidays for everyone..put this prostate s.....t on the back burner for a couple of weeks if you can.

Jim

JoeFL
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   Posted 12/20/2010 12:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Totally agree with An38 above. I would only add one more point. When I think (rarely) that someone is steping over the line....I just stop reading and go to the next post. Just because it's there doesn't mean you have to read it...or react to it. I just hit my internal "delete" button.

Moderators do a great job!
Age 67 PSA 4.5 Biopsy 9/4/09 Bostwick Labs 5 of 8 sections (5 of 11 cores) positive-Gleason 3+3=6 Stage T1
BT on 12/11/09 (84 seeds of Palladium 103) Home same day/no catheter. Some burning, frequency, urgency for 6 weeks. No incontinence, mild ED. Normal activity within 3 days. 25 IGRT sessions ending 3/22/10 - some fatigue until 30 days after last treatment. PSA as of 12/9/10 - 0.1

Ziggy9
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   Posted 12/20/2010 1:58 PM (GMT -6)   
It must have been one hell of a weekend here. Sorry I missed it. Seriously guys one cannot live in a PCa cocoon for too long. When this forum gets you irate take a break from it. If PCa on ones mind 24/7 becomes too much have a drink, smoke,pill,travel, prayer whatever gives you some relief or a better spirit be it only for a short time. Then partake.

Rolerbe
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   Posted 12/20/2010 5:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry the Mod's have had a tough time keeping the board centered on its true mission. You guys are doing a great job. Rest, relax and recharge!

I agree with Joe67. I just slide right by the flames when they flare up. I for one, have had a very positive and helpful experience here.

Keep it up!

English Alf
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   Posted 12/21/2010 3:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Ladies and Gentlemen, honorable members, distinguished guests.

Here's to being sensible!

I think the important message from us to James is that all of us will do as much as possible to ensure that James and the other moderators and Peter have as little as possible to worry about.


Alf
HW is the only Forum I still contribute to or follow (I cannot believe the tirades and abuse I have witnessed or been subjected to elsewhere - they make the occasional bad post/thread at HW look like a Sunday picnic.)

Casey59
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   Posted 12/21/2010 3:25 PM (GMT -6)   

James, I guess the time-and-a-half on the weekends makes it all worthwhile, though...

 

Here’s an important aspect for both moderators and members to keep in mind.  [Tongue in cheek, for those who don’t recognize it as such (with a tip of the hat to Wikipedia) although I suspect most of us could identify a couple guys who follow this religiously.]

 

At HealingWell, sometimes discussions turn into debates and get heated.  Whenever this occurs, it is of primary importance that you always ensure that you get THE LAST WORD.

At HW, even more than in real life, getting the last word in a debate is critical, as it is the only proof of your argumentative success over competing posters.  The following is a useful collection of suggestions on why and how to obtain your right to have the last word, however tenaciously you opponent may be trying to rob you of your privilege.

 

Reasons for getting the last word

Getting the last word means that you win the debate. It also shows your moral superiority, and willingness to stand your ground. This should convince your opponent that you are correct, and will certainly impress your fellow prostate cancer patients.

It is particularly important to get the last word where you are in some doubts as to the merits of your case. The last word will serve as a clinching argument that will make up for any deficiencies in your logic. Achieving the last word now also brings the advantage that you may subsequently point to your success in this debate as the clinching argument in future debates. However, if you did not win the last discussion, we still recommend claiming incessantly that you did.

 

How to get the last word

Often, your opponent will not understand the importance of the last word and will readily concede the ground to you (in which case it's nevertheless mandatory to rub it in his face on subsequent HW threads). However, sometimes your opponent is well aware of this HW convention and will attempt to wrongfully deprive you of your right. Do not give ground to such intimidation. Pursue your case with fortitude and vigor. If your actual arguments have already been stated on the thread, do not fear to repeat them in a slightly different form. CAPITALISING YOUR ARGUMENT, or bolding sections, can be used to give variety if you fear you are being repetitive.

Debates are like boxing matches. Try to make your opponent do the footwork so they get exhausted while you preserve your energy for the final blow last word. If they bring any arguments you cannot immediately refute, play dumb and ask for clarification, it helps wear off the adversary's patience. Ask for more sources and better sources (ideally in that order). If they insolently keep providing answers, arbitrarily stop replying for a while. Better yet, point out that their answer dodges the real question, which is something tangentially (if at all) related to your original point.

In the last resort, it is advisable to cite any convenient HW rules that you think may be helpful to your cause, and seek to silence your adversary by making vague calls for the moderators to intercede.  After all, one brief quotation of a HW rule says more than a thousand words, and it's an elegant way to get the last word in case the other b*****d user just won't concede the ground.

 

 

Hopefully this helps lift sprirts around here.  Happy Holidays.

James C.
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   Posted 12/21/2010 3:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Casey, thanks for that. tongue We can all use a little comedic relief, I think.

Since Peter locked a couple of the others, I'm gonna lock this one, since it is mine to start with. turn With the holidays approaching fast, we need to turn more toward giving thanks and appreciating others, so we don't need to go into it still with fluffed feathers and bickering. So in an non-partisan compromise (sound like a politician, don't I?) it's locked. It's been real.... devil
James C. Age 63
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Sparing open RRP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., all clear except:
Probable microscopic involvement of the left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 04/10-.06, 09/10-.09- Uh-Oh, next in Jan & Feb.
ED-total-Bimix 30cc
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