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Tudpock18
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   Posted 12/22/2010 4:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Dear Friends:
 
Hopefully my subject got past the moderators...I meant to ask my questions on one of the other diet threads but they were locked before I got the chance.  OK, here is my issue.  It seems that over the past few weeks I have developed a taste for M&M's.  Not the regular kind or even the ones with peanuts, but the ones colored red and green for Christmas.  I am somehow convinced that, taken in moderate dosage, these M&M's may help my PSA continue to fall and keep me cancer free.  So, my questions are these:
 
1.  Do you think this may be just a radiation thing caused by my seeds or do some of you surgery guys (& gals) have these urges as well?  I was thinking that maybe this is something like the "radiation bounce" and after a few weeks or months my desires may return to normal.
 
2.  If you think taking daily doses of M&M's is a good thing what do you view as the optimal amount that is GFMPH?  Would you suggest just a couple that are doled out like pom pills or brazil nuts or should I just go for it and take a handful?  Also, should I chew them or let them melt in my mouth for the maximum effect?
 
3.  I am also convinced that the little red and green buggers must have some aphrodisiac effect.  So, do you believe that if I give a package or two to my wife for Christmas it will have the same effect as Godiva chocolate which has seemed somewhat effective in the past?
 
Looking forward to your carefully researched answers and wishing all of you a HAPPY AND HEALTHY HOLIDAY SEASON!
 
Tudpock (Jim)
Age 62 (64 now), G 3 + 4 = 7, T1C, PSA 4.2, 2/16 cancerous, 27cc. Brachytherapy 12/9/08. 73 Iodine-125 seeds. Procedure went great, catheter out before I went home, only minor discomfort. Everything continues to function normally as of 12/8/10. PSA: 6 mo 1.4, 1 yr. 1.0, 2 yr. .8. My docs are "delighted"! My journey:
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=1305643&g=1305643#m1305643

Purgatory
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   Posted 12/22/2010 4:08 PM (GMT -6)   
If chocolate prevented PC or any other kind of cancer, I should have been cancer free for life. While not much on the dietary aspect, I highly reccomend you stay with the Christmas M&M's, it will promote mental well being if nothing else. I do have a long time phobia about M&M's, I am seriously deathly afraid of the blue ones, I have to take them out of a bag and throw them all away.

May you and your family have a wonderful holiday season. Thanks for all your great input all year here.

david in sc
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Radical
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   Posted 12/22/2010 4:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Why did the M&M jump into the Ocean ?

Because he wanted to be a "Life Saver"

.......................Merry X-mas All.......................................Kev

Post Edited (NotHard) : 12/22/2010 8:47:17 PM (GMT-7)


James C.
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   Posted 12/22/2010 4:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Like any diet, it's a sensible matter of all things in moderation. I don't think a large consumption would multiply the health effect, but research (I can't find it right now) shows that continued consumption of more than just a few daily will result in swollen abdomens, engorged chin flaps, and and all over accumulation of 'fullness'. Not mention the chemical effect in blood sugars, lipids, triglycerides and other things. Now not necessarily a bad thing but one to be aware of. I personally will eat any color, and repetetively throughout the day, until they are gone. My health can't be measured as to any improvement, but the unapproval measurement of my wife does offset any gains I may have made.

My admittedly unscientific findings has been that if these M&M's (of all colors) ( or anything chocolate, for that matter) are consumed at least 2 hours after a full Mexican meal at my favorite Mexican place, then I reach a healthful, stressless state of bliss where I am in a half awake state, nearing a out of body experience, but still attached to my fat, bloated body that remains behind.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours.
James C. Age 63
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Sparing open RRP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., all clear except:
Probable microscopic involvement of the left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 04/10-.06, 09/10-.09- Uh-Oh, next in Jan & Feb.
ED-total-Bimix 30cc

bsjoplin
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   Posted 12/22/2010 4:43 PM (GMT -6)   
the wife gave me a bag that taste like Chocolate covered cherries....THESE  are DEFINITELY good for your health, in moderation or otherwise!
bob
 

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 12/22/2010 4:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Yo momma is so stupid. She tried to put M&M's in alphebetical order.
 
Q: Why was the blonde got fired from the M&M factory?
A: She was throwing all the W's away.

Arch
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   Posted 12/22/2010 5:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Hell, I'm red/green colour blind. If I could just get someone to separate them for me maybe I could get more penile therapy from my SO.
 
Have a good holiday season everyone.
 
r
age 56
PSA 5.5
Biopsy, both lobes PCa
Gleason 3/4=7
open RP May 18, 2010
Pathology: 15% involved, lymph nodes and v. d. clear, margins clear
June 3-10 10-12 pads/day
2 months 8 pads/day
Aug 1, 2010 5-6 pads/day
Aug 20, 2010 3-5 pads per day
Aug 16, 3 month PSA: undetectable
Sept 22, 2 pads a day
Oct 12, PSA 0.03
ED OK with no drugs Dec 2010

Ralph Alfalfa
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   Posted 12/22/2010 10:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Well done, Jim. Nice to lighten things up a bit. For real comfort food try dumping a handful of those tasty bits into a bottle of Coke. You can get a chocolate and caffeine fix all at once.MMMMMMMM.

Bob
AGE:58

Dx: October,27, 2008(the day after my birthday)
Psa 14.5,Gleason (4+3), all scans negative. Biopsy, 4 of 12 positive. DaVinci, 1/19/09. Confined to prostate? No lymph node involvement, all margins clear. 8 wk. Psa<.01,6mon .1,9 mon. .2. Began IGRT 10/09, finished.12/09. Since then,.1.

Casey59
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   Posted 12/22/2010 10:51 PM (GMT -6)   

Scientific studies show that only the dark chocolate M&Ms, the ones in the purple bag (IMAGE), may help to promote a long and cancer-free life. 

It seems silly to consume any of the milk chocolate M&Ms now that you've been educated about the known benefits of the dark chocolate version...but it is well understood that if you've been eating the less beneficial variety for all your life, then change may be difficult.

Try some with pomegranate arils.

Please note that I am not a doctor, and my words that it "may help" were carefully selected.

 

BillyMac
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   Posted 12/23/2010 3:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Jim,Jim,Jim-------you radiation guys must have your brains affected by the radiation as well as your prostates. As any surgery guy will tell you it is self explanatory. Red means danger, stop, halt------so it is a no go area, fraught with danger. Green means go, hook in, go for your life, etc. so you can eat as many of these as you like. If only all things prostate were so simple.
Bill

Worried Guy
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   Posted 12/23/2010 7:57 AM (GMT -6)   
I carefully weigh my M&M on my Mettler lab scale and find that 24.50 to 29.20 grams daily seem to work nicely for me. I offset the additional caloric input and maintain my svelte BMI of 21 by placing wood in the wood burning stove 4-6 times per day.
I consume either the dark or milk chocolate varieties depending upon availability and proximity to my hand. Both are GFMPH. The dark contains antioxidants with their well documented benefits, while milk chocolate contains fat which has been equally well documented to encourage the absorption of Vitamin D and E gels.
I do not limit my consumption to only red or green, yellow and brown are acceptable in moderation. However, to prevent any confusion with Vitamin V, I avoid the blue ones.

I continue to plot my incontinence leak rate daily and cannot see any effect due to M&M consumption. Clearly more study is needed.
Jeff

Herophilus
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   Posted 12/23/2010 8:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Theobroma cacao aka The M & M tree...

Oranges, and Apples grow on trees and are good for you.....ergo M&M's are good for you...

Hero

Purgatory
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   Posted 12/23/2010 12:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Worried Jeff - see, I am not the only one affected by blue MMs, always been scared of them, for real. Sinister.

BillyMac - I thought you guys down under only ate "Smarties" anyhow.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Worried Guy
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   Posted 12/23/2010 12:54 PM (GMT -6)   
David,

You make the right choice by avoiding the blue ones. They're unnatural. I want my chocolate the natural way - sprayed with sugar and corn syrup infused with red, yellow, green or brown dye - like nature intended.
I mean, really, what foods are blue in nature? Blueberries? Bear food.
Blue cheese? Mold filled and clearly rotten beyond expiration date. Blue chips? Marketing ploy for Jet Blue Airways.
I say we leave the blue ones to the guys that can use them. It's GFMPH.

Enjoy the holidays!

Jeff

Purgatory
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   Posted 12/23/2010 1:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Jeff,

My true passion is for dark German chocolate, espec if combined with marzipan, that is what manna really was. Then I go to Italian or Austrian chocolates. For all their bragging, not always fond of Swiss or French chocolate. I rarely every buy or eat a regular American candy bar, or the proverbial bag of MMs. But I honestly toss out any blue ones, or any mm that has the slightest defect. Such are my ways.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Worried Guy
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   Posted 12/23/2010 1:20 PM (GMT -6)   
David,
I'll take the chipped, defective ones. My wife said she'll take care of the blue ones for us. She's very understanding that way. (That's why I love her.)
You've got my address. ;-)
Stay warm,
Jeff

Carlos
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   Posted 12/23/2010 2:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Tud,  A well known local uro, Dr. I.C. Butts, recently published a study on M&Ms.  I think medved or proscap can provide a link.  Dr. Butts is related to BillyMac's friend I.P. Daly.  He also wrote an interesting paper titled "Under The Grandstands".
 
Carlos

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   Posted 12/23/2010 4:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Only the Almond ones are allowed in my plan - balances heart-healthy nuts with the bad parts!

Purgatory
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   Posted 12/23/2010 5:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Then, Jeff, I will accumlate all the defective MMs and the blue ones for you and your wife. Always afraid the defective looking ones have been tampered with, and the blue ones, just not natural
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Piano
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   Posted 12/23/2010 5:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Dr I.C. Butts would have to be a cryo guy -- right? :-)

There is a name for the phenomenon of people taking on a profession suggested by their names -- I googled it just now and found:

"Nominative determinism was introduced first in 1994, when it was remarked that a paper on incontinence in the British Journal of Urology was authored by J.W. Splatt and D. Weedon! "

goodlife
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   Posted 12/23/2010 11:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Moderation I say, moderation.

That in my opinion means no more than 1 bag at a time.

Merry Christmas, and may all M&M's melt in your mouth, not in your hands.
Goodlife
 
Age 58, PSA 4.47 Biopsy - 2/12 cores , Gleason 4 + 5 = 9
Da Vinci, Cleveland Clinic  4/14/09   Nerves spared, but carved up a little.
0/23 lymph nodes involved  pT3a NO MX
Catheter and 2 stints in ureters for 2 weeks .
Neg Margins, bladder neck negative
Living the Good Life, cancer free  6 week PSA  <.03
3 month PSA <.01 (different lab)
5 month PSA <.03 (undetectable)
6 Month PSA <.01
1 pad a day, no progress on ED.  Trimix injection
No pads, 1/1/10,  9 month PSA < .01
1 year psa (364 days) .01
15 month PSA <.01

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 12/24/2010 1:38 AM (GMT -6)   
There is a new study out (M. M. Mars et al.) that compares the efficacy of the various colors found in the packages of M&M's. My understanding is that claims that the red ones work better with less side effects were in fact disproven. All of them performed well except the green ones which are still not used in the US except in study but you can go to Cancun for 25k cash up front and get them plentifully. My understanding is that in high risk cases it may be better to use combination approaches such as with peanuts or pretzels. The one thing that absolutely did stick out was above the belt (at least in the beginning). As it turns out everybody has been sugar coating the side effects from all colors.

My thoughts about studies are well known here at HW. So I have decided to extend the research to verify the study results so that us younger men will at least have usable data in 10, 15 or maybe even 20 years from now. In fact I picked up two large bags of them today to get me through Saturday.

Peace to all. And many pieces to all!

Tony

Sonny3
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   Posted 12/24/2010 8:02 AM (GMT -6)   
I have followed this thread with great interest as I continue to search for the right answer in dealing with life and health while traveling the journey of PCa. So for only the second time in four months I break my self imposed exile from HW and all things PCa to contribute to such a highly respected and obviously scientific approach to the study of continued health and longevity for we PCa brothers.

I offer the following for your review. A quick search of the healthy aspects of M&Ms found some surprising information.

Take 2 M&M's and call me in the morning? www.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-07-25-cocoa_x.htm

Top 3 Health Benefits of Coconut M&Ms www.coconutmms.com/coconut-mms-healthy

Can Blue M&M's, Blue Gatorade Protect Your Spine? Surprisingly Helpful Foods health.usnews.com/health-news/diet-fitness/articles/2009/07/27/can-blue-mms-blue-gatorade-protect-your-spine-surprisingly-helpful-foods.html

Being Healthy in an M&Ms Wayezinearticles.com/?Being-Healthy-in-an-MandMs-Way&id=1233388

By the way, one of these links also suggests that Watermelon contains chemicals that act as a natural Viagra. Now here is a study that I will definitely be interested in. Especially if it produces results without the dreaded BACK ACHE of the other drugs.

Thanks TUDPOCK for allowing me to participate in such a worthwhile endeavor and study.

Sonny
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