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kbota
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   Posted 1/2/2011 7:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I was thinking today about a life decision that I need to make, and find myself with this darned PCa being right in the middle of it, and complicating this decision to no end. I was wondering how you fellows cope with this. I'm sure the answer is as different as our Dx are. For me, this darned G9 just keeps smacking me right between the eyes.

As a starter, I'm feeling pretty good, still working, still doing pretty much what I want and when I want. I have a nice place in the country, good family, and a lot going for me. (G9! - SH!T) Lots to do, and time slipping away every day. How much time is left? hmmm G9! Should I go ahead and retire to spend more time with grandkids? G9 or should I continue to work for a few more years because of this crazy economy?.....G9.....what's the stock market going to do next?....G9!

I keep bumping my nose on that stinkin G9, and it's starting to really hurt.

What to do? What to do?

And then I get to thinking,.....dang, but I am one of the luckier ones...no epe,...no lymph nodes,...no seminal vesicle involvement....Low PSA......but it's still a $#&^#@ rotten G9.

Don't get me wrong,...this doesn't occupy my every waking moment,....but it seems like I have this "G9" cloud just sitting out there like a vulture waiting.....waiting.....for what? I don't plan on croaking anytime soon,...but what about when I get to stop this %#&^*& Lupron, and a year later the psa starts up? What if it doesn't?

What to do....what to do...

uhm....am I starting to sound like a nutcase? Because I'm starting to feel like one.
Age 57 at Dx
5/09 PSA 2.26
6/2010 PSA 3.07 FPSA 18% DRE +
Biopsy, 7 of 18+, >60%, 4+5=9
7/21/2010 - RRP
Nodes neg, Ves neg
tumor contained, still 4+5=9
pni ext.
9/3, 2010 PSA - 0.04
9/3/2010, I'm 99% continent
10/14/10, PSA still 0.04, and lupron #1, now 99.9% continent
Total ED, 3 caverject failed
10/20/10 OD'd .5cc trimix, after 3hrs, neo synephrine shot
tried .15 & .17 cc neg, next .2

goodlife
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   Posted 1/2/2011 8:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Dave,

G9 is just a known of the many unknowns. Yes, it is true that G9 is more aggressive and the odds of BCR are greater, but we still don't know. Even if we had a G6 or a G7, we still have the same unknowns.

When you add on the plethora of other cancers, heart disease, stroke, or getting hit by a bus, we still all have a lot of unknowns to deal with. I have opted to plan my life aside from being a PC survivor. I am doing what I like to do, and if there is a doubt of whether I should or shouldn't do something, I factor it with the PC thing. It does help me to decide if I need it or not. The old GFMPH thing.

We have to keep on living, living the Good Life. Make your decisions the same way you have made them for the last 50 some years. Make PC fit in wherever it needs to. You are still in control. Don't let it run your life.

I know, easier said than done. I am telling you what i keep on telling myself.

Just be sure you put April at Jeff's on your calendar.

Goodlife

Purgatory
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   Posted 1/2/2011 10:01 PM (GMT -6)   
kobota, good post and one that asks questions that each and every man has to wrestle with. no easy answers to any of them, only you know what is important in your personal life, those that you value, the things you enjoy doing, the things you want to do that you never have done.

the concept of a personal "bucket" list is not too far out of line. at age 58, i have done a lot, been all over the world, have had some amazing jobs, but still, there's so much i haven't done. i think about that sometime, though the past 2 years were not ideal for me to pursue much more than surviving one set back, one operation, one catheter after the next. i am hoping that 2011 will be a different kind of year.

you should do what you want to do in your heart. if you can retire comfortably right now, then why not. if you need to keep working, then anyone would understand that.

when i think back in my life, when my wife wasnt a nurse and we had 3 little kids at home (all adults now, lol), those were the years i missed out. i was in the prime of my career, and making gobs of money, and business travel constantly. and its sad, i missed out so much. i was always gone or always busy, and back then, i was strong and healthy. my wife will tell me certain stories about one or the other of our kids when they were young, and i dont honestly remember any of the events. i wish i had that time back.

so your questions are good, we honestly dont know if we will die in 24 hours or 30 years from now, pc or no pc, so if nothing else, it can be a distraction in ones personal decisions, but thats all it should be.

good luck in your choices ahead, as long as we are still above the ground ,we all have the same 24 hours each day to live

david in sc
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 1/2/2011 10:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh My firend, I hear you so loud and clear. I wish I could tell you what to do. Like so many thing dealing with PCa at some point in time we just pull the trigger and decide which road we will take with the stuff. You already know what I did. I knew that I wanted to time to do just what I wanted to do when I wanted to do it I hung my hat on the nail and retired. Have I regreted it. Not for one moment. You have a part time jobe which is very nice. Mostly retired but still got a check comming in, not bad.

We have talked about the what ifs. They are always there. Buddy I wish with all my heart that you can resolve the issue for yourself.

Hope to see you this wk.

Your Buddy
Cajun jeff
9/08 PSA 5.4 referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3+4=7 1 positive core in 12 1% cancer core
10/08 Nerve-Sparing open radicalSurgery Path Report Downgrade 3+3=6 GS Stage pT2c margins clea
r3 month: PSA <0.1
19th month: PSA <0.1
2 year PSA <0.1
Only issue at this time is ED but getting better

Fairwind
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   Posted 1/2/2011 11:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Kbota (Dave?) Yeah, this sure ain't easy but things look pretty good so far!

My wife and I retired when I was 55, healthy, living the good life..We are by no means wealthy, I was working as an automobile mechanic..But our house was paid for, we could heat it with wood which I harvested for free, and I had the ability to keep vehicle expenses as low as possible. We had learned to live quite well on less than 20K a year...We sold the house, 20% down and carried the mortgage ourselves, living on the monthly payment down in Mexico, on the beach, for 9 months of the year. Life was good...

Everything changed last June when I got the phone call: "Bob, your biopsy came back positive for cancer, G-9..." I'm 69 now, we've had 14 wonderful, carefree years enjoying life and our families, and, yes, dealing with family tragedies like everyone else...But you and I stand in a different spot, 57 and 69 is a BIG difference...

You can't do ANYTHING about the cancer or the G-9 at this point, so FORGET that for now and sit down with your family and see if retirement can work..Be realistic. How much money do you need to live on? Can you maintain your medical insurance for the next 8 years? And will Medicare still be there 8 years from now? When we retired at 55, we both had complete physicals to better judge the odds of making it to 65 with no medical insurance...You do not have that option..

My stats are not as good as yours, positive margin, one positive vesicle, post surgery PSA 0.9...But my docs say don't worry, we can keep you going for at least 10 more years...So I take that to mean 6 or 7...My R-doc, the one who is treating me now, says he is going to cure me or at least have me die of something else..He thinks the positive margin and PSA of 0.9 is great!! "I like cleaning up surgeons messes" he says..Ya gotta like a guy like that...

So what can we do about our Gleason 9's???? Not a darn thing! We can drink pomegranate juice until it comes out our ears and that's not going to change..We choose treatment based on the knowledge available to us and play each hand as it's dealt to us...That's all you can do. If you die in 2 years or 20 years, that's really out of your hands now..Healthy people think they are going to live forever so they keep postponing things they want to do, "I'll do that tomorrow, I'm going to do that next year, I'll visit them next summer"....We have an advantage over them..We KNOW we are not going to live forever and if there is something we want to do, then we better get it done ASAP because today looks real good but I don't know about tomorrow and I'm not going to worry about it either...

So put the G-9 in a box and put it away and take your grand-kids to the zoo or park or a walk down by the lake or a ride on the bike trail...Humans have been living and dying for 300,000 years and it all works out...You and I will be no different...
Age 68.
PSA at age 55: 3.5, DRE normal. Advice, "Keep an eye on it".
age 58: 4.5
" 61: 5.2
" 64: 7.5, DRE "Abnormal"
" 65: 8.5, " normal", biopsy, 12 core, negative...
" 66 9.0 "normal", 2ed biopsy, negative, BPH, Proscar
" 67 4.5 DRE "normal"
" 68 7.0 third biopsy positive, 4 out of 12, G-6,7, 9
RRP Sept 3 2010, pos margin, one pos vesicle nodes neg. Post Op PSA 0.9 SRT, HT NOW

mr bill
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   Posted 1/3/2011 7:07 AM (GMT -6)   
That is what this forum is about.  Experience and support. Of which there is a great deal.  I have heard Fairwind's response off forum, he is 100% don't put it off. As one member told me, he does not wait until it is convenient.
 
 

Post Edited (mr bill) : 1/3/2011 7:42:13 AM (GMT-7)


Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 1/3/2011 7:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Fairwind, beautiful responce. I live by that theory.

Cajun Jeff
9/08 PSA 5.4 referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3+4=7 1 positive core in 12 1% cancer core
10/08 Nerve-Sparing open radicalSurgery Path Report Downgrade 3+3=6 GS Stage pT2c margins clea
r3 month: PSA <0.1
19th month: PSA <0.1
2 year PSA <0.1
Only issue at this time is ED but getting better

knotreel
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   Posted 1/3/2011 8:03 AM (GMT -6)   
Dave, speaking only from my own experiences and thoughts, I think we all have those feelings cancer or no cancer. The cancer just gives a sense of urgency as you consider the possiblity of a shorter time span. Looking back there are tons of things that I thought I might like to do but didn't do them. I think that the routines we fall into and not do all the dreamer things are the routines that we are comfortable in. So why say we must do this or that, if we really wanted this things we would be doing them already? I was fortunate in that I was able to retire at age 45 and now I am 66 so I have had plenty of time to mull over these life direction issues. I feel I don't need to justify my exisitance or time to myself or anybody else. It took me awhile to let go and not have to account for my time. There are lots of issues here, do you need to be productive to feel good about yourself? are there any places or things that you have a strong desire to do or go? Can you just "sit around" like I do and be happy. A lot of people seem to be better off working.
I don't think anybody can advise you on this type of decision, if you don't see a clear path right now, maybe you should wait and let the idea come to you rather than force it when your mind is not clear. As for the cancer, I don't think that should be a big factor. We all have to deal with the cancer but I think we should stay on the path that we choose as long as the cancer lets us.
Ron
06-08 1st biopsy neg psa 4
10-09 psa 5.5 2nd biopsy 1/12 pos. 10%, G(4+3) age 65
12-15-09 RRP Tulane NOLA Dr Lee
Path, 1%, clr marg, no EPE, no SVI, nodes cl, G(4+3)
100% incontinent after 3 mo. PT
ED, pre-op severe, post op total
10/10 Dr Boone, Baylor recomended AUS
AUS and IPP scheduled 1/11/11
post op psa's 0.04,<0.1,<0.1,0.01@12 mo.

zufus
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   Posted 1/3/2011 8:17 AM (GMT -6)   
Yeah been asking myself that question for almost 9 yrs. now of this Twilight Zone ride (LOL)!
I have likely worse overall stats than yours, almost have to pinch myself that I am still good thus far, that I know of. Exceeded my nomogram predictions and some docs estimates, go figure.

Its wild and plenty of what if's and unknowns, it isn't the same patient to patient...so who knows? Live for Today....like the Grass Roots song...or Dont worry be happy.Hey if 2012 turns out to be a reality of Nostradamus & Mayans calendar effect...how important was our PCa issues??? Not to mention our economy and world issues. As always it is your personal decision to mess with. On the one hand you cannot purchase tommorrows or know the future (we presume), but you can live for today. Or like David Lee Roth...I live my life likes there's no tommorrow. (just don't run with devil as was in the same song)Yeah I think I got invaded
by the Body Snatchers (LOL) or another alien abduction at Roswell....probably another benefit of Lupron in the small print. Good news is we can still all sing about it, even if it is off key. Do you see why I mention PCa as the Twilight Zone?
Dx-2002 total urinary blockage, bPsa 46.6 12/12 biopsies all loaded 75-95% vol.; Gleasons scores 7,8,9's (2-sets), gland size 35, ct and bone scans look clear- ADT3 5 months prior to radiations neutron/photon 2-machines, cont'd. ADT3, quit after 2 yrs. switched to DES 1-mg, off 1+ yr., controlled well, resumed, used intermittently, resumed useage

mr bill
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   Posted 1/3/2011 8:31 AM (GMT -6)   
This was found in a family bible of one of my wife's progenitors. They were all Scots from the South Carolina and Mississippi area. I am sure it was not original to them but had enough impact to be tucked away in the bible. It may seem somewhat macabre to some, but it kind of gives me a little push, which I need on a regular basis, to wring the most out of today.

“The clock of life is wound but once,
And no man has the power
To tell when the hands will stop.
Now is the only time you own,
Live, Love, Toil with a will.
Place no faith in tomorrow
For the hands may then be still.”
Age 66
BPH since 1996. at least three negative biopsies Erie. Uro did not prescribe finasteride
2007 acute urine retention photovaporize Clev. Clinic prscb finasteride
8-9-10 PSA rose to 10.14 with finasteride positive biopsy Cleveland gleason 9, cat & bone scan negative
9-8-10 RP at Cleveland. Biopsy 9 nodes 2 positive, 2 positive,seminal & vas deferens
PSA 3 wk .06, 6 wk <.03, 12wk 0.0

English Alf
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   Posted 1/3/2011 8:51 AM (GMT -6)   
Kbota,
If our health situation means we have less time here, then the only thing that makes sense is to do more of the worthwhile stuff we enjoy every day.
There will though be different things that each of us will rate as important. One guy may want to see the world, another more of his grand kids (sic), or ride or fly or sail or build or learn or love.

This aspect of qol was behind our decision last month to buy a house with a garden and move out of the appartment we have lived in for 25 years, while we still have (some) time to enjoy it, and enjoy it together.

Can you do a halfway step and work fewer hours, or do you have to make a full break? In Holland many folk switch to working 3 or 4 days a week instead of full time as they get older.

Alf
Born Jun ‘60
Apr 09 PSA 8.6
DRE neg
Biop 2 of 12 pos
Gleason 3+3
29 Jul 09 DaVinci AVL-NKI Amsterdam
6 Aug 09 Cath out
PostOp Gleason 3+4 Bladder neck & Left SVI -T3b
No perin’l No vasc invasion Clear margins
Dry at night
21 Sep 09 No pads daytime
17 Nov 09 PSA 0.1
17 Mar 10 PSA 0.4 sent to RT
13 Apr 10 CT
28 Apr 10 start RT 66Gy
11 Jun 10 end RT
Tired
BMs weird
14 Sep 10 PSA <0.1
Erections OK

daveshan
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   Posted 1/3/2011 10:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Kbota,

I hear you brother, as an 8 with tertiary 5 and SVI "my condition" pops into my mind once in a while, not as much as when I was first diagnosed but still often enough.

A couple of observations

Retirement, if you can do it I highly recommend it, I left the rat race at 51 and haven't looked back. Stay busy if you do choose retirement, an idle mind will find (G9) nasty things to focus on. When planning retirement I also had to take into account my wife who is 9 years my junior, will she have enough to live on after I'm gone.

My personal expiration date (whatever it may be) was put in perspective while sitting with a good friend back when I was first diagnosed. He's 83 and has a great outlook, he also in all likelihood will pre-decease me no matter how fast the disease progresses, he's not worrying about it and is enjoying life, how could I do less.

Worrying about the future is normal, it also takes away from today, I have accepted that I will probably have a fight on my hands but right now it's sunny and the temp' is above the teens, time to enjoy the day. Try to stay focused on today, it does wonders. I have worried about countless things in my life, not once have I successfully predicted the problems let alone the outcome.

Best wishes to you and all my PC brothers
Dave in Durango CO
Diagnosed 12-09 age 55
07-06 PSA 2.5
01-08 PSA 5.5 (PCP did not tell me of increase or schedule follow-up!!!!)
09-09 PSA 6.5 Sent for consult with Urologist
11-09 Consult, scheduled for biopsy, found out about PSA from '08 (yes I was pissed)
12-09 Biopsy, initial Gleason 9 (4+5) later reduced to 8 with tertiary 5, ain't much but I'll take it.
01-10 Bone Scan, "appears negative"
03-01-10 RRP in Durango CO by Dr Sejal Quale and Dr Shandra Wilson, no naked eye evidence of spread, Vesicles and lymph nodes taken for microscopic exam.

03-16-10 Removal of cath' and pathology results of samples.
Multifocal carcinoma with areas of Gleason pattern 3, 4 and 5, Overall Gleason grade 4+4 with tertiary 5, Bilateral involving 21% of left lobe, 3% of right lobe, Invasion of left Seminal vesicle, Tumor focally present at left resection margin, 9 lymph nodes removed all negative, Tumor staging pT3b NO MX

04-23-10 PSA <0.04....... 06-07-10 PSA <0.04..... 08-03-10 <0.04
05-03-10 1 week without pads
06-28-10 ;-)

compiler
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   Posted 1/3/2011 10:43 AM (GMT -6)   
How can one not relate to this thread??
 
My life changed at a routine physical in August 2008. My PSA suddenly hit the magic number of 4.01. My free PSA was 24%. So, still plenty of hope. I took antibiotics and a follow-up PSA was 4.19. Still hopeful. Then my PCA-3 test was 65.9 (normal was 35) and at that point I KNEW things were bad. Then came the biopsy and the phone call on 12/2/08 that confirmed what I knew (but still a shock).
 
Since then, PC has really impacted my life. How could it not? I envy those of you that claim you haven't even thought about PC and your life is great. For me, my life has changed and it isn't for the better. It is a worrisome stream of PSA tests, each worse than the last, and further treatment on the horizon.
 
In fact, look at all the time we spend here at HW. We are here to garner information, seek support, and provide support. But the very fact that we are on here a lot is a testament to the impact of PC on our lives. IT IS TIME-CONSUMING (and at times all-consuming)
 
I am one of those rare birds that totally enjoys his work, so thank goodness for that. I truly rarely think of PC when working.
 
I am not ready to retire just yet (and it has nothing to do with financial considerations). 
 
Anyway, good thread!
 
Mel
 
 

James C.
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   Posted 1/3/2011 12:35 PM (GMT -6)   
I had/have a family history of male side sudden death heart attacks in their early to mid 50's. At age 53, I was healthy, had devoted 10 years to maintaining as heart healthy a lifestyle as possible. I did work in a chemical factory, however, and was really worried that that would off set any healthy living choices I made. Luckily, I had spent a long time getting myself in a financial situation where I could retire when I decided to. I gave up a lot of new cars, boats, etc for that security, but it was all worth it when I pulled the trigger at age 53 1/2. My company made us an offer I couldn't refuse, and the market was are an all time high, so I retired early. Best decision, except for marrying my wife, that I made in my life. Of course, this was exaclty 1 1/2 years before the Enron and assorted financial meltdowns, followed by the 9/11 and the resulting financial collapse. While it was all melting down, I was living life as a retiree. I did suffer financially from it all, I will admit. I never once have suffered a quality of life issue because of it. I was amazed how much we could live on, compared to what a full employed family thinks they need or requires to maintain their family quality of life. Most people can live on a lot less. WE willingly and gladly sold our 4 bedroom home, downsized to a little 2 bedroom home on a corner in the city. Downsized? I mean DOWNSIZED! Try figuring how to put a 2100 sq. ft. house in a 856 sq. ft. house, with a lifetimes of accumulations, most of which is too sentimentaly attached to get rid of. BUT, get rid of it we did. It took a few years, but we now live comfortably with a much smaller home, budget and a slower, more rewarding lifestyle. I can honestly say that I have never regretted our decisions, not once, even during the darkest time. I have been able to enjoy life, spend time with family, to grow emotionally, spiritually and to be a friend to others. When I got the PCa diagnosis, I figured it was just life delayed catching up with me. I'd been very lucky with my health, and a good surgeon could take care of that. Well, maybe yes, maybe not. We will see.

AS my pastor says- I said that to say this: AS we grow older, we have less opportunities to put off our wishes, our dreams, or plans until tomorrow. Not just with G6 or G9 PCa, but with lots of things in life. There's lots of ways to die, either by disease, accident or other. That's a surety we all face. Each year offers us less odds that we will continue to live as we have in the past, more the odds that something can/will happen to alter our life.

I can't and won't tell others what to do. Lots of folks have their entire life and personality in who they are and what they do, as far as their careers are. They are content to work until 65 or even beyond, satisfied to still be a producing member of society. Others are easily able to retire, slow down and take some time to discover things they have missed during their adult years. Reconnect with their family and friends, do new things, live life...Each of us needs to decide what is best for us and our family. I can't add anything except to say life is short, so choose wisely, my friend. (Yeah-from the Dos Equs commercial... turn )
James C. Age 63
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Sparing open RRP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., all clear except:
Probable microscopic involvement of the left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 04/10-.06, 09/10-.09- Uh-Oh, next in Jan & Feb.
ED-total-Bimix 30cc

Purgatory
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   Posted 1/3/2011 1:57 PM (GMT -6)   
James - great post - that was from the heart
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

pattersson
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   Posted 1/3/2011 2:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Kbota! I am also presently struggling with similar thoughts. I would like to leave my safe but boring job, maybe to look for something new in life. But I have PC, so I may need all the safety I can get. PC is a nuisance component in an otherwise complicated situation.

BB_Fan
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   Posted 1/3/2011 2:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Kbota, I'm 58 with a G8. When had a BCR last year I immediately decided to retire. I really didn't plan working beyond 60, OK maybe 62, anyway. I talked myself into waiting until after SRT and then until I get may anuual bonus in April. But then I'm done. Luckily I am in position financially to do it. House paid off, kids out of school, working, and college just about paid for. My wife plans on continuing to work (she likes her job) and I will have health care though her work.

I guess it's a personal decision and finances have to be considered. Some people would love to retire and can't. Others can and would be lost without their work. For me, I want to retire and luckily I can.

Best of luck with your decision.
Dx PCa Dec 2008 at 56, PSA 3.4
Biopsy: T1c, Geason 7 (3+4) - 8 cores, 4 positive, 30% of all 4 cores.
Robotic Surgery March 2009 Hartford Hospital, Dr Wagner
Pathology Report: T2c, Geason 8, organ confined, negitive margins, lymph nodes negitive - tumor volume 9%, nerves spared, no negitive side effects of surgery.
PSA's < .01, .01, .07, .28, .50. HT 5/10. IMRT 9/10.
PSA's post HT .01, < .01

142
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   Posted 1/3/2011 2:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Kbota,
 
I am a G 4+5, but at 57, with no alternative for insurance, and no "nest egg" in a house, I can not even consider retiring.
 
I wish I had a choice -
DaVinci 10/2009
My IGRT journey (2010) -
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=1756808

Ed C. (Old67)
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   Posted 1/3/2011 3:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Dave,
You are not alone in your thoughts. Every decision I make takes my G8 into consideration. I had already retired when I was DXed but all my financial decisions have a G8 factor in them. The only suggestion I can give you is ti live every day to its fullest and remember this:
"Yesterday is only a dream
and tomorrow is only a vision
but today well lived
makes every yesterday a dream of happiness
and every tomorrow a vision of hope"
Age: 67 at Dx on 12/30/08 PSA 3.8
2 cores out of 12 were positive Gleason (4+4)
Davinci surgery 2/9/09 Gleason 4+4 EPE,
Margins clear, nerve bundles removed
Prostate weighed 57 grams 10-20% involved
all PSA tests since (2, 5, 8, 11, 15, 18 months) undetectable
Latest PSA test (21 months) .005

compiler
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   Posted 1/3/2011 4:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Financial decisions definitely consider my PC.
 
I am an active investor. However, I no longer consider bonds or other investments with say 10 years maturity. I just can't seem to wrap my brain about that anymore.
 
Fortunately, my forte is stocks and conservative stock options strategies, so the PC is a non-issue here.
 
Mel

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   Posted 1/3/2011 4:41 PM (GMT -6)   
>>Financial decisions definitely consider my PC.<<
 
my sep-IRA is 100% cash.  i won't buy anything but a major washout like 2002 and 2008....whenever it occurs.  and then i have a list of companies that i'll buy.  i'm looking for 200-300% returns or else i'll just stay in cash.
 
a few month ago i couldn't even buy new socks cool .
 
ed
age: 55
PSA on 12/09: 6.8
no symptoms, no prostate enlargement
12/12 cores positive....gleason 3+4 = 7
HT, BT and IGRT
received 3rd and last lupron shot 9/14/10

Purgatory
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   Posted 1/3/2011 4:48 PM (GMT -6)   
I am a big believer in bonds, it kept me in the postive during the great .com economic crash years back, and above water and never losing a dime during the current global economic meltdown. Not going to get rich this way, but not once has our portfolio lost any money.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

James C.
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   Posted 1/3/2011 5:01 PM (GMT -6)   
I also was saved financially by moving into bonds. I also don't have any second thoughts about long term ones, that's where the money is. I hold 2038 and 2026 ones, both paying above 7%.. Got lucky with both of them, strong companies in a good demand oriented market.
James C. Age 63
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Sparing open RRP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., all clear except:
Probable microscopic involvement of the left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 04/10-.06, 09/10-.09- Uh-Oh, next in Jan & Feb.
ED-total-Bimix 30cc

stevmac1
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   Posted 1/3/2011 5:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Powerful thread, fellas. I too think and fret constantly about the future with PCa. Daily, at least. I hope it wanes as time goes by. I haven't faced any life altering decisions yet, so I don't have real advice. Trying to live healthier and stack the odds, I guess.
steve
50 Yrs. old. DX Feb, 2010 w/6.6 PSA.
Biopsy 04-24-10, Gleason 3+3=6
4 of 5 cores left side inv. 4 of 6 rt side
RRP 06-07-10....
16 days post-op, catheter out.
Gleason upgraded to 3+4
Totally continent @ 8 weeks post-op. (!!!)
1st post-op PSA @ 12 weeks - <0.05
2nd " " " @ 6 months - <0.05

compiler
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   Posted 1/3/2011 6:26 PM (GMT -6)   
I also like bonds. I have some that provide some decent returns.
 
But I used to like say zero cpn. bonds with 10-year maturities. It would have an excellent YTM. But it used to be easier to have a 10-year horizon. Now, I just can't see that far!
 
Perhaps when this PC stabilizes, if ever!
 
Mel
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