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anxiety out the roof
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   Posted 1/16/2011 8:05 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm getting my cath. out tomorrow. A picture is worth a thousand words- i'll try to describe it. I have some whitish " globbs" in my tube. It seems to be in less than 1 inch sections. Most is alot smaller. it is suspended in the urine. It looks like it will clog the tube but it flows easily. any ideas??

Highwayman
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   Posted 1/16/2011 10:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Anx,
No Pain, no problem. I had some blood clots that seemed huge come out day 7-9 with that darned cath. You should ask the doc and share what he says. There must be some uneeded tissue sloughing off.
Good luck and I hope the faucet shuts off quickly.
MIke
Age 48 w/diagnosed
10/06 PSA 3.0
11/06 PSA FREE %13.2
10/07 PSA 3.4
12/07 Biopsy-neg
1/09 PSA 4.6
6/09 psa 5.8
2/10 psa 8.7
7/10 PSA 10.8
8/2010 3rd biopsy GG 3+3=6, one of eight cores -2%
Lap 10/22/10 Dr. Troxel
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ralfinaz
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   Posted 1/16/2011 11:17 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Anxiety, not to worry! It is probably semen. After RP, ejaculation is retrograde and goes into the bladder to be eliminated during urination. You might have some semen seepage at this point.

RalphV
Surviving prostate cancer since 1992. RP; Orchiectomy (OUCH!)
GS (4 + 2); bilateral seminal vesicle invasion; tumor attached to rectal wall. Last PSA September, 2010: <0.1 ng/ml
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anxiety out the roof
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   Posted 1/16/2011 1:01 PM (GMT -6)   
ralfinaz said...
Hey Anxiety, not to worry! It is probably semen. After RP, ejaculation is retrograde and goes into the bladder to be eliminated during urination. You might have some semen seepage at this point.

RalphV
You know , now that you mention it, that is what it look like. thanks to both of you.

Postop
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   Posted 1/16/2011 2:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Except after RP, there is no semen. Most of semen is seminal fluid which is made in the prostate, which is gone. Sperm are made in the testicles, which are disconnected. Maybe it is mucus, or white blood cell, or other drainage from the incision where the bladder is sewed to the urethra.

ralfinaz
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   Posted 1/16/2011 2:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Postop,
There is semen after RP in spite of a dry orgasm. RP causes the seminal fluid containing the sperm cells to move backwards, into the bladder instead of the urethra. This reverse path, is called retrograde ejaculation The movement of semen in a backward path into the bladder, rather than directly into the urethra and out of the body, is the result of damage to the muscle at the neck of the bladder. This might be what he is seeing coming out through the catheter.

The bladder muscle normally blocks the entrance to the bladder, causing the semen (fluid comprised of secretions and cells produced by the prostate gland and other sex glands and the testes) that comes out through the penis during ejaculation. When this muscle is damaged, the semen takes the path of least resistance and enters the bladder, where the fluid is expelled with the urine.
Surviving prostate cancer since 1992. RP; Orchiectomy (OUCH!)
GS (4 + 2); bilateral seminal vesicle invasion; tumor attached to rectal wall. Last PSA September, 2010: <0.1 ng/ml
Laughter is the best medicine!

Paul1959
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   Posted 1/16/2011 2:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Most surgeons now take seminal vesicles - so for most of us, there is no semen...sigh. I think it is now SOP. I think in early days of prostatectomies, they did leave them.
Interesting study to see when the procedure changed.
Paul
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Davinci at 47.
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BillyMac
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   Posted 1/16/2011 3:11 PM (GMT -6)   
ralfinaz said...
Hi Postop,
There is semen after RP in spite of a dry orgasm. RP causes the seminal fluid containing the sperm cells to move backwards, into the bladder instead of the urethra. This reverse path, is called retrograde ejaculation The movement of semen in a backward path into the bladder, rather than directly into the urethra and out of the body, is the result of damage to the muscle at the neck of the bladder. This might be what he is seeing coming out through the catheter.

The bladder muscle normally blocks the entrance to the bladder, causing the semen (fluid comprised of secretions and cells produced by the prostate gland and other sex glands and the testes) that comes out through the penis during ejaculation. When this muscle is damaged, the semen takes the path of least resistance and enters the bladder, where the fluid is expelled with the urine.


I would like to know exactly where this "semen" is coming from. In men, the vast majority (around 90%) of semen is seminal plasma – this is secreted by the seminal vesicles and the prostate. The thickness of the semen is created by the mucus that is added to the mixture by the bulbourethral organs, and this substance gives the semen its unique texture. RP means no prostate and no seminal vesicles hence there can be no semen. 30% of the prostate is muscular tissue providing some squeeze and pressure at ejaculation ------- no squeeze hence no ejaculation. Retrograde ejaculation in a man with no prostate and no seminal vesicle is not a possibility. Retrograde ejaculation can and does happen in men with their equipment in order. It usually occurs in men who have a faulty or very weak sphincter muscle at the top of the prostate which normally squeezes shut just prior to ejaculation.

Another titbit of valuable information.
If you can get your hands on a book " M16: The History of the Secret Intelligence Service 1909-1949" by Keith Jeffery" you will find a section detailing the use of semen as invisible ink. I quote a portion:
"In June 1915, Walter Kirke, deputy head of military intelligence at GHQ France, wrote in his diary that Mansfield Cumming, the first chief (or C) of the SIS was "making enquiries for invisible inks at the London University."
In October the same year he noted that he "heard from C that the best invisible ink is semen," which did not react to the main methods of detection. Besides it had the advantage of being readily available, The Telegraph newspaper reported.
A member of staff close to C, Frank Stagg, said that he would never forget his bosses delight when the Deputy Chief Censor said one day that one of his staff had found out that "semen would not react to iodine vapour."
Stagg noted that "we thought we had solved a great problem."

P.S. (I was going to add an article on the use of semen in cooking but thought it would be in bad taste) shockedBoom!boom!

Bill

Post Edited (BillyMac) : 1/16/2011 4:47:03 PM (GMT-7)


ralfinaz
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   Posted 1/16/2011 4:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Billy,
I stand corrected. You are absolutely right! Had a senior moment...My apology to Postop too.

Best,

RalphV
Surviving prostate cancer since 1992. RP; Orchiectomy (OUCH!)
GS (4 + 2); bilateral seminal vesicle invasion; tumor attached to rectal wall. Last PSA September, 2010: <0.1 ng/ml
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April6th
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   Posted 1/16/2011 6:02 PM (GMT -6)   
If it were me, I would call the doctor's office. I have been reading this discussion board for about 9 months and this is the 1st time I have heard of this.

This is just a guess, but maybe the stuff is a result of an infection. I hope it isn't but if it were me, that's what I would be wondering.

Dan
Here are some of my stats:
Age:54
Father diagnosed with PC at age 72 - wasn't contained to prostate when found in 1992.
My PSA rose from 3.2 to 5.1 over the course of 1.5 years with Free PSA at 25% for the last two tests.
DRE showed no evidence of tumor but Uro thought my prostate was a little large for someone my age
PCa diagnosed 4/6/10 after biopsy on 4/1/10
1 out of 12 biopsy samples was positive with 5% of biopsy sample cancerous
Gleason 3+4
Da Vinci surgery on 6/1/10
Pathology report shows cancer confined to prostate and all other tissue clean
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   Posted 1/16/2011 7:13 PM (GMT -6)   
I had a lot of what I called "crud". It looked like skin-colored soft scab tissue. My surgeon said that it was exactly that, from the urethra re-connection.
 
It continued for some weeks after the catheter was removed. It showed up in one of my urine samples at a post-op visit, and was confirmed as scabbing tissue.
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anxiety out the roof
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   Posted 1/16/2011 7:24 PM (GMT -6)   
i think I have a UTI. Seeing the doc tomorrow.

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   Posted 1/16/2011 7:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I went through 3 uti "experiences" in the months following DaVinci. If you think you have one tonight, you'll likely have no doubt tomorrow.

Hope it is not one - you would have to be on my short list of enemies to get that wished on you. If it is, take ALL the antibiotics, lest it come back stronger.
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