Week 2: Alternative to Aerobic Challenge

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Purgatory
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   Posted 1/17/2011 12:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Well between the rare snow here last week  (still on the ground) all my physical therapy sessions were cancelled, they are not open today (MLK Day).  Grey and miserable out, so more of a reason to continue my passive nature.  Thought about waxing the kitchen floor, but tired real easy when I thought how much work that would be.
 
Had a taste-healthy lunch of hot dogs and fries.  Now I need to scrounge up a piece of chocolate to feel good.
 
After my wife leaves for work, I will at least  (in the thinking stage) see if I can find something usedful (but not too taxing, as I have my reputation to consider) to do the rest of the day.
 
Hope you are not working too hard, at least not enough to raise some sweat!

Post Edited (Purgatory) : 1/17/2011 12:19:32 PM (GMT-7)


compiler
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   Posted 1/17/2011 12:53 PM (GMT -6)   
I think you get lots of points for THINKING about waxing the floor. I trust you THOUGHT of washing it first and then waxing it and don't forget to think about vacuuming the carpeting (even better, shampooing the carpeting).
 
Mel

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   Posted 1/17/2011 1:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Last night I dreamed that I was down hill skiing.  That must count.
 
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Purgatory
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   Posted 1/17/2011 1:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow, and all I dreamed about was naked women on pogo sticks. Seriously, a good dream about downhill skiing!! I would be willing to give you a Two-Day Free Slackers Pass for that one. I'm jealous.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Purgatory
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   Posted 1/17/2011 8:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Actually did the whole cleaning, mopping, and waxing the floors today, took me all afternoon and part of the evening, as it honestly required a lost of rest for me in between each step. Almost enough work to post on the other thread.

The Chronic Fatigue is still like an invisible wall to me, despite having been in physical therapy for over 3 months now, it hasn't helped from that point of view. When that wall hits, its like if you discharged a battery instantly. One minute you feel fine and able, the next minute: you are too pooped to move.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

compiler
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   Posted 1/17/2011 8:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Wait a minute. You ACTUALLY did the floor cleaning???
 
TURNCOAT!
 
Mel

Purgatory
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   Posted 1/17/2011 8:27 PM (GMT -6)   
no turncoat, we keep a clean house, and my poor wife works enough hours as a nurse, so as i have healed up some from this last surgery, i try to do more and more, so that when she is home, she can rest. i'm quited domesticated these days. i just have to plan any real physical work. between the fatigue, the recovery, and trying to live with a stoma 24 hours a day, its not always a simple task.

on a seperate subject, as you approach the real possibility of BCR, and I so wished you weren't heading that way, are you weighing in any more on the radiation alone or radiation with HT options. When I was researching with my local doctors, I found it amazing that only one half heartedly reccomended adding HT. The other doctors, were strong in their opinion not to mix the two.

david
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

IdahoSurvivor
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   Posted 1/18/2011 1:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Ok... I really did 20 minutes on my little stepper machine... The first 7 minutes with weights... Does that count?
 
Barry
 
Surgery: Da Vinci; July 31, 2007; 54 on surgery day;
Post RP Pathology: PSA: 4.3; Gleason: 3+3=6; T2a; Confined to Prostate;
Post RP PSAs: 09/'07 <0.04; 12/'07 <0.04; 03/'08 <0.04;
06/'08 <0.04; 12/'08 <0.04; 06/'09 =0.06; 09/'09 <0.04; 12/'09 =0.05;
3/'10 <0.04; 6/'10 <0.01;Latest PSA 12/'10 <0.04

pasayten
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   Posted 1/18/2011 1:35 AM (GMT -6)   
I suggest Wii Sport...   The boxing match option.    You hold the controller safely strapped to your wrist and get to punch the lights out of a computer opponent...   Just pretend your opponent is PCa...    Do about 3 matches and you will have a heart thumping 30 minute high aerobic workout...   Feel good doing it...   although tired at the end.   Just thinking about your next PSA test will give you motive for more than a few good knockdowns...   Lots of great sound and cheering in the game...  I guarantee that after the 30 minutes, you will not have a stressed mind or angry bone left in your entire body...   :-)
 
P.S.  Somewhere between 6-9 months after the radiation,  I found that the fatigue wall could be broken...   but it usually required an activity that I had previously enjoyed.  Now a year later,  no matter what the activity, I may just sit for a few minutes when fatigued,  but I can get up and continue fairly easily as long as I do not set too long.
 
God Bless All and God Bless our Wii...
 
pasayten
3/2007 - Dx 59 y/o - 12 point biopsy - Left 0/6 Right 1/6 Gleason 3+3 T1c
4/2007 - DaVinci RRP performed - Gleason 6 T2c Nx Mx
PSA 7/07 0.01, 6/08 0.02, 12/08 0.03, 10/09 0.13
11/09 Consult BCR and rec for SRT
1/2010 IMRT SRT - 32 sessions 2 gys for 64 gys total.
6/2010 3 mth PSA post SRT 0.02
1/2011 10 mth PSA 0.01
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Post Edited (pasayten) : 1/18/2011 12:44:06 AM (GMT-7)


Piano
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   Posted 1/18/2011 4:04 AM (GMT -6)   
I can also vouch for the Wii Sport (I like the tennis) and also the Wii Fit and Sports Resort.

However the Wii is off-topic for this thread as it combines fun with actual exercise :-)

Purgatory
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   Posted 1/18/2011 9:07 AM (GMT -6)   
good suggestions on the wii. we have owned one for 2 years now, and other than the brain academy thing, i don't believe i have ever touched it. got it mostly for visiting kids and grand kids down in our basement family room. wife did the wii fit thing for a while.

i dont consider it off topic, they use wii in most nursing homes now as part of physical therapy program, i understand if used correctly and regularly, it can still be a real work out.

but for me, how about a good game of chess, non computerized.

barry - that sounded like too much like a real workout there, be careful, the standards are high to stay in this club
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

compiler
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   Posted 1/18/2011 11:09 AM (GMT -6)   
David:
 
The FORD team and the Umich expert were both clearly against doing HT.
 
Some studies greatly support it and others not.
 
So, I am not considering HT at this time.
 
Mel

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   Posted 1/18/2011 11:48 AM (GMT -6)   
Getting back more in the theme... The sun was shining brightly thru the living room window the other day while I was on the couch with my laptop. It was shining warmly on my stocking feet... So I did toe exercises for about 15 minutes wiggling them in the warmth of the sun. Got a little tired and sleepy in the process... So I rested by taking a two hour nap... Does this count?

pasayten
3/2007 - Dx 59 y/o - 12 point biopsy - Left 0/6 Right 1/6 Gleason 3+3 T1c
4/2007 - DaVinci RRP performed - Gleason 6 T2c Nx Mx
PSA 7/07 0.01, 6/08 0.02, 12/08 0.03, 10/09 0.13
11/09 Consult BCR and rec for SRT
1/2010 IMRT SRT - 32 sessions 2 gys for 64 gys total.
6/2010 3 mth PSA post SRT 0.02
1/2011 10 mth PSA 0.01
My Extended Signature

Purgatory
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   Posted 1/18/2011 1:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Mel: This time, you and I seem to be agreeing 100%, that's nice. After talking to 3 radiation oncologists, plus 2 medical oncologist, plus my long term GP and Uro, plus my own research, that is why I decided not to mix HT with my SRT. Yes there are arguments for, but there are also outstanding argumetns not to do so. My doctor's want to see the net effect of the SRT on its own legs. I do too, didn't want to mix and match results. I will probably know soon enough, as my delayed PSA reading is still on for Feb. 28th. It's still so odd, I have no worries - if its up or down, reaching a stoic point of mind on the whole thing. I do believe in fate, despite our own actions.

paysayten: incredibly proud of you, that was a perfect workout, right down to a proper nap. couldn't have done better myself!!!
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Purgatory
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   Posted 1/18/2011 6:04 PM (GMT -6)   
took some trash out to the street, that was the major physical act of the day, and ate some good SC bbq, now that's a work out and another taste-healthy meal.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

clocknut
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   Posted 1/18/2011 6:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Let's see....today was Tuesday.  I dragged my heels, pushed my luck, made mountains out of molehills, and actually hit the nail on the head once or twice.  I also shoveled snow for the umpteenth consecutive day and spent some time waving my arms around to wind a self winding wrist watch.  I'm saving up energy to wind a wall clock tomorrow.  Oh, I also opened a bottle of Shiraz using an old fashiioned, manual cork puller.  (and now I had to hit the edit button, 'cause it found an obscenity in "wris***ch."  I had to make it two words to avoid the asterisks.

Post Edited (clocknut) : 1/18/2011 5:59:47 PM (GMT-7)


Purgatory
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   Posted 1/18/2011 6:59 PM (GMT -6)   
clock,

i tired just reading your advertursome day. phew, what a workout you had. was wondering why you said self winding wrist watch and it got *** instead. Is that some new curse word that got blocked? Keep up the good work.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

clocknut
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   Posted 1/18/2011 7:00 PM (GMT -6)   
David, see my edited post above for an explanation of the asterisks in "wris***ch"

Purgatory
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   Posted 1/18/2011 7:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Strange little place sometimes, lol. I know a lot of good cuss words (ex-sailor and ex-son of a sailor) so I thought you had invented something new.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Ed C. (Old67)
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   Posted 1/18/2011 9:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Went to the movies ans saw "the Green Hornets" in 3D. Didn't think much of it but there was a lot of kicking and jumping so I guess that counts for me.
Age: 67 at Dx on 12/30/08 PSA 3.8
2 cores out of 12 were positive Gleason (4+4)
Davinci surgery 2/9/09 Gleason 4+4 EPE,
Margins clear, nerve bundles removed
Prostate weighed 57 grams 10-20% involved
all PSA tests since (2, 5, 8, 11, 15, 18 months) undetectable
Latest PSA test (21 months) .005

Purgatory
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   Posted 1/18/2011 9:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Now Ed, you are wanting the best of two worlds, a little bird told me you already did real exercise, tsk tsk. The sitting at the movies would have been a good alternative, who wants to get all hot and sweaty anyhow. lol.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Purgatory
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   Posted 1/19/2011 10:19 AM (GMT -6)   
After a gruelling 45 minutes at physical therapy this morning, first time in 2 weeks, came home famished, and another good taste-correct breakfast cured that - bacon and scrambled eggs with cheese and some wheat toast with real butter. Hoping it will help me recover today from being worked out so hard.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Purgatory
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   Posted 1/19/2011 5:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Ah some more work out, couple of hours of tax consulting with ex-boss, then he treated for some more taste-healthy food consisting of pizza with onions.

Then home to rest, the thought of anymore work tired me, so I lay down for a nap. Another good taster for dinner: fried pork chops, redskin potoatoes with white homemade gravy and a vegetable. The vegetable took away from a good meal!

A few Orieo's later, meal complete. Now for a good evening of couch work, and my day will be done.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10
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