9 Myths about Prostate Cancer

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Tony Crispino
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   Posted 2/2/2011 5:47 PM (GMT -6)   
This is a link to a report from CBS News on prostate cancer...

www.cbsnews.com/2300-204_162-10006493.html?tag=page

Tony

Mitch128
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   Posted 2/2/2011 6:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Tony,
 
Interesting link with a couple of surprises. Here's one:
 

Dr. Lepor ..... "Nor is there any evidence that prostate cancer is caused by smoking, heavy drinking, a sedentary lifestyle, eating lots of fatty food, or any other lifestyle factor"

Think I'll break away, open a tall beer, light a fine cigar, fire-up the barbie and plop down in my easy chair turn

Mitch in SC

 

 

 
 
 
 
 

Purgatory
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   Posted 2/2/2011 6:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Gee,

Doesnt speak well for those that still push their supplements and Pom juice. I found it very interesting and informative.

David in SC
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

DJBearGuy
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   Posted 2/2/2011 6:51 PM (GMT -6)   
CBS also reported on a new genetic test:

www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20030433-10391704.html

"scientists have created a test that might make it possible to identify dangerous tumors with more accuracy than is now possible."

link to the Nature article:

www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature09677.html

This article is more detailed but also more understandable to the layperson:

www.emaxhealth.com/1020/gene-based-test-predicts-prostate-cancer-aggressiveness

DJ
Diagnosis at 53. PSA 2007 about 2; 2008 4.3
Biopsy Sept 2008: 6 of 12 cores pos; Gleason 4+3 = 7
CT & Bone scan neg
Da Vinci at City of Hope Dec 8, 2008
Rad prostatectomy & lymph node dissection
Cath out on 7th day, in on 8th day, out again 14th day after neg cystogram
Path: pT2c; lymph nodes neg; margins involv; 41 grams,
PSA 1/08, 4/09,7/09, 10/09, 11/09,2/10 <0.01, 10/10 0.1

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 2/2/2011 7:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Mitch,
You probably can trade your urologist in for a cardiologist with that regimen, too. LOL...

DJ I saw those too. But I am still waiting for more information on the genetic test. Many of these types of things reported don't pan out. We'll see.

Tony
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
Da Vinci Surgery ~ 2/17/2007
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.
Undetectable PSA.

Blog: www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

Tim G
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   Posted 2/2/2011 8:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I took Selenium supplements for many years as a PCa preventive. Go figure! Diet may not prevent prosate cancer occurence or recurrence, but there's plenty of scientific evidence that diet influences heart health, so I try to eat well and not inhale any second hand bacon smell.
PSA quadrupled in one year (0.6 to 2.6)
DRE negative Retested at 3 months
1 of 12 biopsies positive (< 5%) G6
RP open surgery June 2006 at age 57
Bilateral nerve-sparing
Organ-confined to one minuscule area, downgraded to G5
Prostate weight 34 grams
PSAs < 0.1

Postop
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   Posted 2/2/2011 11:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Also I see, "Someday, MRI or ultrasound exams may make biopsies obsolete - or at least much less common. But not yet."

It's sort of eerie how Dr. Dr. Lepor commented on so many of the things that are discussed endlessly on this forum. Could he be a lurker?

It is good to know that we didn't give ourselves PCa by eating too many cheeseburgers. Still, there are lots of other reasons to eat a balanced diet with lots of fruit and vegetables, even it's not GFMPH.

English Alf
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   Posted 2/3/2011 1:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Interesting reporting.

I have a comment about this statement in the report:
"Nor is there any evidence that prostate cancer is caused by smoking, heavy drinking, a sedentary lifestyle, eating lots of fatty food, or any other lifestyle factor"
perhaps men who smoke, drink have a poor diet and take no exercise have died of something else before they get old enough to be diagnosed with PCa.

Also regarding PCa in the family. I'd say that 50/50 odds of getting PCa if your male relatives have had it are actually very high odds.

I was not aware that the "pomegranate theory" was only based on pomegranate juice killing cancer cells in a test tube. I can think of a vast number of liquids that could be put in a test tube that would kill cancer cells and there is no way that I would drink them. Any active ingredient in juice outside the body may clearly not survive intact after reacting with stomach acids etc.

And who is Dr. Lepor?

Alf
Born Jun ‘60
Apr 09 PSA 8.6
DRE neg
Biop 2 of 12 pos
Gleason 3+3
29 Jul 09 DaVinci AVL-NKI Amsterdam
6 Aug 09 Cath out
PostOp Gleason 3+4 Bladder neck & Left SVI -T3b
No perin’l No vasc invasion Clear margins
Dry at night
21 Sep 09 No pads daytime
17 Nov 09 PSA 0.1
17 Mar 10 PSA 0.4 sent to RT
13 Apr CT
66Gy 28 Apr to 11 Jun 10
Tired + weird BMs
14 Sep 10 PSA <0.1
12 Jan 11 PSA <0.1
Erection OK

Piano
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   Posted 2/3/2011 1:56 AM (GMT -6)   
When even the experts don't agree about the causes of prostate cancer, what hope is there for the rest of us?

We can chart a middle ground -- moderation in all things.
We can follow the experts whose opinions happen to match our own.
We can try a few plausible options to see what, if anything, works for us.

Tough choice, and if we get it wrong it may cost us our lives.
No symptoms; PSA 5.7; Gleason 4+5=9; cancer in 4/12 cores
Non-nerve-sparing RRP 7 March 2008 age 63
Organ confined, neg margins. Gleason downgrade 4+4=8
Fully continent
Bimix worked well; now using just VED
PSA undetectable at first but now 0.4, doubling time 7 months
No radiation but ADT coming unless I can slow down the rise...

Postop
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   Posted 2/3/2011 3:28 AM (GMT -6)   
You are right, quoting an expert who's got an opinion you like isn't real evidence. I googled this expert, and he is the chair of urology department at NYU. I think what he's pointing out is the lack of evidence that things like diet and supplements prevent or treat prostate cancer. I don't think this is a life or death issue, as long as these approaches are not used in place of conventional treatment. These diets are good for you in other ways. Some of the supplements may be harmful in high doses, but are unlikely to be dangerous in low doses.

Worried Guy
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   Posted 2/3/2011 6:25 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Guys... We can argue the fine points of all of the above. But the one that really hurts is this one:

Myth: Infrequent Sex Turns the Prostate Cancerous

"There is no evidence that your sexual frequency is related to your risk for prostate cancer," says Dr. Lepor. Frequent sex, infrequent sex - it doesn't make any difference to a man's risk level.

Let's all pinky swear that we will never tell a women this is a myth. More study is needed. Extensive study. OK? Swear? Shhhh... Our secret. ;-)

Jeff

tatt2man
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   Posted 2/3/2011 12:18 PM (GMT -6)   
interesting web article - too brief with pretty pix -..

.. the Selenium bit ran true - at one fundraising meeting , a gentleman, in his 70's told the group he was on a hospital based study on Selenium for 5 years and they halted it because too many men were dying ,.... mind you,he kept calling it a Prostrate....

-that throws out my theory of excessive use of the prostate causes PCa - multiple partners, engineers, motorcycle riders, men called Jeff ( Geoff )...
:-)

holistic hugs,
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