Who doesn't have prostate cancer?

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PVE
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   Posted 2/25/2011 11:12 AM (GMT -6)   
A few weeks ago I played golf with three friends who I had not seen for years. I had had robotic surgery three years prior, another friend a year prior, third guy was diagnosed and trying to figure out what to do. Fourth guy had not been diagnosed.

Yesterday I had lunch with two new friends. Learned that one of them had prostate surgery in November.

At the gym yesterday I talked to a gal whose father I had not seen for several months. I knew he had shoulder surgery and asked how he was doing. Learned he was going in for prostate surgery next week.

My old car pool buddy was just diagnosed.

I understand that I am at an age when men start to have prostate cancer detected and my friends are the type that will regular checkups. It sure seems common.

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Purgatory
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   Posted 2/25/2011 11:50 AM (GMT -6)   
As far as PC, in my little world, I don't know a single other person, friend, or relative with PC, though I am sure there are plenty of them around me I dont know

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Sunbird
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   Posted 2/25/2011 12:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I imagine my physician is comfortable financially, and when I'm teeing off down at the miniature golf course, I have a sneaking suspicion he's getting it on with my wife. He can still perform, and I'm just not up to par anymore. LOL

zufus
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   Posted 2/25/2011 1:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Sunbird good sense of humor, I gave you a 9.5 out of a 10.0 scale. (-:


It is common, 70% of 70 yrs. old likely have PCa in some amount.

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Ziggy9
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   Posted 2/25/2011 1:33 PM (GMT -6)   
I just have a cousin and my old boss who I know who also have Pca, That's surprising that at my age I don't know more, as was said as overtreated as this cancer is.
Diagnosed 11/08/07 - Age: 58 - 3 of 12 @5%
Psa: 2.3 - 3+3=6 - Size: 34g -T-2-A

2/22/08 - 3D Mapping Saturation Biopsy - 1 of 45 @2% - Psa:2.1 - 3+3=6 - 28g after taking Avodart - Catheter for 1 day -Good Candidate for TFT(Targeted Focal Therapy) Cryosurgery(Ice Balls) - Clinical Research Study

4/22/08 - TFT performed at University of Colorado Medical Center - Catheter for 4 days - Slight soreness for 2 weeks but afterward life returns as normal

7/30/08 - Psa: .32
11/10/08 - Psa.62 -
April 2009 12 of 12 Negative Biopsy

2/16/10 12 of 12 Negative Biopsy

ChrisR
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   Posted 2/25/2011 1:44 PM (GMT -6)   
I am pretty sure my 5 year old does not, but I'm gonna watch him like a hawk....

Ziggy9
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   Posted 2/25/2011 1:46 PM (GMT -6)   
ChrisR said...
I am pretty sure my 5 year old does not, but I'm gonna watch him like a hawk....


L.M.A.O he probably just has BPH or maybe the crabs. Hmmm maybe I should check with my grandsons. One may have it for he's always in diapers.

clocknut
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   Posted 2/25/2011 1:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, PVE, in the half year since I've been treated, two people close to me have been treated. All doing well, thank God.

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Tudpock18
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   Posted 2/25/2011 2:56 PM (GMT -6)   
PVE, I spend much of the year in Florida, i.e. around a lot of older folks.  And, yes, it almost seems like a PCa epidemic here.  I've been quite open about my case and it's amazing how many people approach me with comments about how they had it also or have it now and are looking for info.
 
By the way, I seem to have missed your earlier posts so a belated welcome to the forum!
 
Tudpock (Jim)
Age 62 (64 now), G 3 + 4 = 7, T1C, PSA 4.2, 2/16 cancerous, 27cc. Brachytherapy 12/9/08. 73 Iodine-125 seeds. Procedure went great, catheter out before I went home, only minor discomfort. Everything continues to function normally as of 12/8/10. PSA: 6 mo 1.4, 1 yr. 1.0, 2 yr. .8. My docs are "delighted"! My journey:
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=1305643&g=1305643#m1305643

Ed C. (Old67)
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   Posted 2/25/2011 5:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I can count at least a dozen of friends and acquaintances none of whom are members of this forum who have prostate cancer. Few of them are members of my golf club and others are members of my church or are neighbors. Some are almost ten year survivors.
Age: 67 at Dx on 12/30/08 PSA 3.8
2 cores out of 12 were positive Gleason (4+4)
Davinci surgery 2/9/09 Gleason 4+4 EPE,
Margins clear, nerve bundles removed
Prostate weighed 57 grams 10-20% involved
all PSA tests since (2, 5, 8, 11, 15, 18, 21 months) undetectable
Latest PSA test (2 years) <.008 ?

wigged-out
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   Posted 2/25/2011 5:47 PM (GMT -6)   
The question that I've had in the back of my head is after 70+ years, does every man have some form of pcs. Unfortunately the only way to find this out is through a autopsy skull
Age: 55- good health. Exercise regularly.
DRE 11/08- no lumps, just enlarged prostate
PSA checked regularly, last 6.6/
Needle Biopsy 11/09- 12 samples. 11 OK. Right Lateral Mid- Adenocarcinoma Gleason score 3+3=6 9 involving 5% of specimen.
PSA risingto 8.0 thru 2010.
2nd biopsy- 2 positive cores, one a 3+3=6, 3% and the other a 3+4=7, 20%
Very last PSA- 12
DaVinci scheduled 2/14/2011

zampilot
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   Posted 2/25/2011 6:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Any male, if they live long enough will develope it. Funny how there;s not much concern or $$ for research.

Carlos
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   Posted 2/25/2011 6:39 PM (GMT -6)   
I have several friends in their mid seventies with PSA levels in the 0.8 to 1.0 range.  Several more friends have no idea what their PSA is, and that may not be a bad thing.  Several of us 70 and 80 somethings have PCa in various stages.
 
Carlos
Dx 2/2008, age 71, PSA 9.1, G8,T1c. daVinci surgery 5/2008, G8(5+3), pT2c. LFPF, good QOL. PSA <0.1 for 2 yrs. PSA rose to .2 at 30 months, SRT 12/2010.

Purgatory
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   Posted 2/25/2011 6:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, I prodded a biz friend of mine, for years about getting his PSA tested, and other blood work done. Finally paid off, he's 65 and had his very first PSA test, it came in at .75. I am betting at his age, PC wont ever be an issue in his remaining lifetime.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

JNF
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   Posted 2/26/2011 5:23 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't view it as an epidemic nor do I think we are being overtreated. The better screning and attention to the issue over the last 20 years is showing how prevalent PCa is and it is leading to far more people finding it at a curable stage.

In the "good old days" before PSA and attention to regular screening, the only way it was found was to have symptoms. Then a DRE would find a large tumour and the person was at least a stage three with a very poor prognosis. Now we are finding that person 5-10 years earlier at stage 1 or 2 with a very good chance for cure and/or 10-20 years of qulity life under good management.

In one of his books Dr Snuffy Meyers contends that 50% of men age 50 have PCa cells in their blood stream. My urologist is age 43 and he says there is a 50-50 chance he has PCa cells. They both judge that it is that prevalent. The statistics say 1 in 6 will have PCa, but I don't think that is accurate as that really says that 1 in 6 will be treated. Think of all the men that are not screening or die of other causes and the prevalence is probably much greater. This is confirmed by autopsy results.

My wife has been through breast cancer twice in the last 15 years. Her first time was in 1996 and at that time the press was talking about the breast cancer epidemic. The foremost expert was Dr Susan Love and she said there was no epidemic, just bettter screening and detection leading to earlier and more effective treatment.

Postop
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   Posted 2/26/2011 12:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Another take on this discussion, is the issue of how health care works in the U.S.  It's pretty clear that those without good health insurance are less likely to be screened or treated for prostate cancer.  That is certainly not good, because some patients won't be diagnosed until their condition is difficult to treat. The flip side of this is that those who have good insurance ("gold plated" policies, or "cadillac plans") are much more likely to get screened and have a procedure to treat prostate cancer. 
 
In this board, there has been a long debate about the merits of "definitive treatment" (surgery or radiation) vs. active survelliance. You might argue about where the line is between getting PCa removed, vs just watching it, but certainly there are people where PCa should be just watched, for example with lower grade disease in older people.
 
I'd argue that in the U.S., the line between surgery/radiation and AS gets shifted depending on the person's financial status.  If you are poor, you run the risk of being undertreated.  If you are rich, the risk is of being overtreated.  Neither is a good thing. This is repeated for all kinds of medical treatment.  That's what's wrong with American health care--it's bad to have a person's finances warp treatment decisions.

Worried Guy
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   Posted 2/26/2011 1:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey PVE

I don't have it. I left my rotten, prostate in a hazmat bucket at the hospital. My PSA has been <0.01. So unless something changes, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;-)

Jeff

ED is a different story... :-(
Age: 58, Mar 35 yrs, 56 dx, PSA: 4/09 17.8 6/09 23.2
Biopsy: 6/09 7 of 12 Pos, 20-70%, Gleason 4+3 Bone, CT Neg
DaVinci RP: 7/09, U of Roch Med Ctr
Path Rpt: Gleas 3+4, pT3aNOMx, 56g, Tumor 2.5x1.8 cm both lobes and apex
EPE present, PNI extensive, Sem Ves, Vas def clear, Lymph 0/13
Incont: 200ml/day ED: Trimix
Post Surg PSA: 10/09 .04, 4/10 .04, 7/10 <0.01, 12/10 <0.01
AdVance Sling 1/10/11

An38
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   Posted 2/26/2011 10:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi pve,

Welcome to the forum!!

No one in our personal circle of friends has pca (that we know of). This is probably not surprising as most of our frirnds and acquaintences are between my age 39 and my husbands age 52. But in another 10-20 years i imagine things will be different.

I love this forum as it makes us feel less alone with our pca concerns.

An
Husband's age: 52. Sydney Australia.
Family history: Mat. grandfather died of PC at 72. Mat. uncle died of PC at 60. He has hereditary PC.
PSA: Aug07 - 2.5|Feb08 - 1.7|Oct09 - 3.67 (free PSA 27%)|Feb10 - 4.03 (free PSA 31%) |Jun10 - 2.69. DRE normal.
Biopsy 28Apr10: negative for a diagnosis of PC however 3 focal ASAPs “atypical, suspicious but not diagnostic” for PC. Review of biopsy by experienced pathologist, 1/12 core: 10% 3+3 (left transitional), 1/12 core: ASAP (left apex)
Nerve sparing RP, 20Aug10 with Dr Stricker. Post-op path: 3+4 (ISUP 2005). Neg (margins, seminal vesicles, extraprostatic extension). Multifocal, with main involvement in the fibro-muscular zone. T2C.
Post RP PSA,
Lab 1: Sep10 – 0.02|Nov10 – 0.03|Dec10 – 0.03
Lab 2: Nov 10 - 0.01|Dec10 – 0.01

Purgatory
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   Posted 2/27/2011 12:43 AM (GMT -6)   
worried jeff, actually, i won your prostate on e-bay, the hospital got me for $14.98 as the high bidder. not sure what i will do with it, but its all mine now!!!
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

Worried Guy
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   Posted 2/27/2011 6:53 AM (GMT -6)   
David,
Congratulations on being the high bidder. Mine was a 56g gem. You'll note it was rated a pT3a by the Gemological Institute of America (or some similar organization). Since it was a donation I will be sure to include that amount in my 1040 Schedule A Charitable Donations line.

Hmm... Since it was a donation, I wonder if I can subtract the costs involved in the removal. ;-)

Thanks,
Jeff
Age: 58, Mar 35 yrs, 56 dx, PSA: 4/09 17.8 6/09 23.2
Biopsy: 6/09 7 of 12 Pos, 20-70%, Gleason 4+3 Bone, CT Neg
DaVinci RP: 7/09, U of Roch Med Ctr
Path Rpt: Gleas 3+4, pT3aNOMx, 56g, Tumor 2.5x1.8 cm both lobes and apex
EPE present, PNI extensive, Sem Ves, Vas def clear, Lymph 0/13
Incont: 200ml/day ED: Trimix
Post Surg PSA: 10/09 .04, 4/10 .04, 7/10 <0.01, 12/10 <0.01
AdVance Sling 1/10/11

zampilot
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   Posted 2/27/2011 8:16 AM (GMT -6)   
JNF, that must be a typo "50/50 that there are PCa cells in his bloodstream", you want PCa to stay in the prostate, not float around in the bloodstream to land somewhere els, equals a terminal condition!
But he's right, either they are or are not!

Joko
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   Posted 2/27/2011 8:17 AM (GMT -6)   
My Dr told me after finding mine that 70% of men over 70 will have it. 

JNF
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   Posted 2/27/2011 9:00 AM (GMT -6)   
Zampilot,

The prostate is very blood rich and according to Dr Meyers cancer cells becomes blood born but have a very difficult time finding another place to grow. Thankfully, PCa takes a long time to mutate to the point of metastis unlike other cancers like breast cancer. Meyers had his blood sample from his arm tested and there were PCa cells in the blood. I think he was age 58 at the time. I should reread the book and confirm the information.

There is a new blood test coming soon that can detect cancer cells in the blood. It will be interesting to see how it applies to PCa screening.

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   Posted 2/27/2011 9:27 AM (GMT -6)   
I think we also hear more about prostate cancer because men are a little more open about talking about their health. In the past this was more of a "private" issue.

Remember when Betty Ford announced she had breast cancer? Before that people didn't talk about it openly.

I think women talk more easily about health concerns, maybe it's because we have babies and end up talking about all aspects of our bodies.

I am afraid men are a little slower about discussing these issues. The internet helps, because no one feels they are alone with their problems.
When you know you are not the only one with the condition, it's easier to talk about.
Mr GFM's statistics:
Age 50 at diagnosis
PSA History: 10-05 1.3, 01-07 2.09
8-07 - PSA at Biopsy: 2.26
2 of 12 positive
Gleason Score 3+3 6
11-07 - Robotic surgery hospitalized overnight.
Path Report:
Prostatic adenocardinoma, Gleasons 3+3+6, moderately differentiated
Percent of Prostate involved by tumor 5%
Staging pT2c pNx pMx
Margins free of tumor - no further invasion or extension
Catheter out in about 9 days. No incontinence.
Back to work in 2 weeks
ED - resolved. No meds needed at this time.
Post Op PSA: 03-08 0.01, 10-08 0.02, 7-09 0.04, 1-10 0.04, 7-10 0.04

Worried Guy
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   Posted 2/27/2011 12:22 PM (GMT -6)   
MrsGFM

Just for the record, while I may appear to be very open here, I have not told the people I work with about my situation. I shared with very few friends and relatives. Even my mother in Florida doesn't know!
This site let me share and vent.

Thank you Peter and James, et al.
Jeff
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