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Trepidation
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   Posted 3/3/2011 6:38 PM (GMT -6)   
My question was about a poster that still does not question his Dr.s after terrible results. It seemed innocent IMO but hope that it was taken as trying to learn more about this cancer from a newly diagnosed man that is reading as much as he can to prolong life. My intent was not one of ridicule but rather about understanding.
 
Again, I am sorry if I were read wrong.
 
Del
 
 

142
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   Posted 3/3/2011 7:14 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't want to been seen as answering for David, but if you had looked carefully at all of the many messages about his situation, you would find that he has questioned the doctor and treatment that caused his bladder issues, quite seriously.
 
I think all of us have very trusted physicians, and most have someone who gets "fired" along the way. I have had both.
 
Since I was one of those who chastized you, I think it fair that I offer a reason.

sheepguy
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   Posted 3/3/2011 7:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Well.. once again as only an occasional poster, I must say that David does seem to be taking the whole mess pretty well, without very much questioning of his doctors...just sayin'. I don't know a thing about them or him , for that matter. On the other hand, what's done is done and as my mother used to say "If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts , we'd all have a merry christmas".

Jim

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 3/3/2011 8:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Del,
No problem. Apologies go a long way here and we really didn't need one from you. Each and everyone of us is dealing with a disease that is unique to each of us. General rules of thumb are helpful but they can also be irrelevant. Stick around here a few years and even your own thoughts will change from time to time...

Peace,

Tony
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
Da Vinci Surgery ~ 2/16/2007
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.
Undetectable PSA.

Blog: www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/3/2011 8:52 PM (GMT -6)   
trepidation: if you were aplogizing to me indirectly or directly, as tony said, wasn't needed, but accepted and appreciated.

sheepguy: now you are doing the very same thing your self. your know nothing about my journey, you know nothing about my doctors, so why would you say "without very much questioning of his doctors"?? That's a big assumption on your part, and you are dead wrong. I have had over 50 visits with my uro/surgeon over the past 2 years, and who knows how many hours we have talked out things and complication together. Most patients would never have that much "face time" with a doctor. And my other main doctor, my GP, has been seeing me now nearing 20 years, and has been through all 4 of my major cancer episodes, all my many operations, both my radiation treatments, etc, etc. so my advice, get to know the person before you start casting dispersions on their doctors or their choices, your comments will be taken more seriously if you do.

david in sc
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10

sheepguy
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   Posted 3/3/2011 9:30 PM (GMT -6)   
David,

Fair enough, I guess I didn't mean "questioning" as much as "blaming" or something of that ilk. I gathered that you have indeed "questioned" them at length. It was not meant to cast dispersions on anyone. Like I said "just sayin". Most people would be inclined to blame SOMEONE. We all know that in medicine "s...t" does indeed happen more often than we would like. As far as being taken seriously, I'll never post anything specific regarding prostate cancer treatment, diagnosis or anything else..not qualified.

Jim

PS I hope this isn't a second post...I think I may have sent one inadvertently ..big fingers..LOL

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/3/2011 10:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Jim,

In my many years in upper managagement, i.e. being CFO's or Controllers of a firm, I was never known as a "blame" guy, I was paid to be a "solution" guy.

I have had great doctors over the years, and doctors that did suck. I dismissed a neruogist several years back that acted like a game show host all the time, and when my SRT went terribly wrong recently, and my bladder was destroyed and burned because of it, you better believe I have blamed the radiation oncologist, as I am in the middle of litigation as the result of that "error".

But again, my best advice, and I am glad you joined us, don't get me wrong, just make sure you know a little about the person and their situation that they are going through, before you have firm opinions.

Like meeting people in real life, it takes a little while to get to know people. Good luck to you, and no hard feelings.

David in SC
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 11/10 Not taking it
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/23/10
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