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Purgatory
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   Posted 3/7/2011 1:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Went back this afternoon for the actual scan, after letting the radioisotope 4 hours to circulate.  Took 70 minutes on the table.  Sure looked like an old machine, it was a Picker Prism 2000.  This was done at the small local hospital near my house, perhaps 100 bed hospital tops.
 
They took a long scan of head, then the full length scan (that was 25 minutes alone), then they brought it back up and did long scans at the shoulder.  My urostomy device did prove to be a problem.  If I took it off, there would have been urine and contanmination every where, so I re-emptied the bag  (in that length of time it was already 1/3rd full) and folded the collection bag upward and out of the way of my right hip.
 
Then they spent another 15 minutes shooting just the right hip area where the pain is, from the top, side, and bottom.
Having my arms over my head all that time made my shoulders ache.
 
The operator commented:  I wouldn't have had the patience you did to lie still for that long.  Told her I was use to many years of tests by now.  I just close my eyes and zone out in that situation.
 
Should have results relayed to me tommorow, they are waiting for the scan to come from Greenville Radiology that did the one at my PC dx in 2008, and the hospital also has a 2003 set they did (that I forgot all about).  So they will have some good ones to compare with.
 
Will let everyone know as soon as I know,
 
David in sC

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   Posted 3/7/2011 2:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Standing by David. It is what it is, but let it be good ! ! !

Sheldon AKA Sleepless
Age 67 in Apil '09 at news of 4 of 12 cores positive T2B and Gleason 3 + 3 and 5% to 25% PSA 1.5
Re-read of slides in June said Gleason 3 + 4 same four cores 5% to 15%
June 29 daVinci prostatectomy, Dr. Eric Estey, at Royal Alexandra Hospital Edmonton one night stay
From "knock out" to wake up in recovery less than two hours.  Actual surgery 70 minutes
Flew home to Winnipeg on July 3 after 5 nights in Ramada Inn  ---  perfect recovery spot!
Catheter out July 9
Final pathology is 3 + 4 Gleason 7, clear margins, clear nodes, T2C, sugeron says report is "excellent"
 
Oct 1st 09 -- dry at night, during day some stress issues.
Oct 31st padless 24/7 
 
First post op PSA Sept 09  less than 0.02
PSA on Oct 23, 2009 less than 0.02
PSA on Jan 8, 2010  less than 0.02
PSA on April 9, 2010 less than 0.02 
PSA on July 9, 2010 (one year) less than 0.02
  

tatt2man
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   Posted 3/7/2011 2:37 PM (GMT -6)   
one thing that I have learned about this PCa - you have to have the patience of Job at time ....
-patient patients are a virtue.... but patience can be exhausting ...
-wishing you all the best , David.

non-radioactive hugs,
BRONSON

BillyMac
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   Posted 3/7/2011 3:02 PM (GMT -6)   
I'll be watching and hoping to see good news when the results come in. It was my experience that they seemed to do a general scan and then went back and did areas of interest in more detail from different angles. Expect to see the old bit of arthritis here and there. Apart from the gaining of wisdom, it really is a pain getting older.
Best of luck,
Bill

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   Posted 3/7/2011 3:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Another day in the life - Now I remember, that was a long time on the table. It was in my gray zone - between biopsy and surgery - have blocked all that out, I guess.
 
Will be waiting for good news -

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/7/2011 6:20 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks, bronson and 142

billy - what will be interesting to me, i comparing this one to the one done at my PC dx in 2008, at time, did show some hot arthritis spots on both knees - knew that without a scan - that was what did me in from road racing bicycles years ago.
showed a suspicious area near my lungs, but that proved to be nothing. since i have never had any fractured or broken bones, the old skeleton looked pretty good back then.

as i am back home again, waiting a little bit longer to take a loratab, as the pain has been increasing since i woke this morning, i will be glad to have anything cancer related ruled out again
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,

Ed C. (Old67)
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   Posted 3/7/2011 7:37 PM (GMT -6)   
I'll be praying for good results for you David.
Age: 67 at Dx on 12/30/08 PSA 3.8
2 cores out of 12 were positive Gleason (4+4)
Davinci surgery 2/9/09 Gleason 4+4 EPE,
Margins clear, nerve bundles removed
Prostate weighed 57 grams 10-20% involved
all PSA tests since (2, 5, 8, 11, 15, 18, 21 months) undetectable
Latest PSA test (2 years) <.008 ?

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/7/2011 8:26 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks ED, we all need that for sure.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,

Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 3/7/2011 9:06 PM (GMT -6)   
David, You know that I will be praying for you the good results. Waiting to hear the reuslts.

Cajun JEFF
9/08 PSA 5.4 referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3+4=7 1 positive core in 12 1% cancer core
10/08 Nerve-Sparing open radicalSurgery Path Report Downgrade 3+3=6 GS Stage pT2c margins clea
r3 month: PSA <0.1
19th month: PSA <0.1
2 year PSA <0.1
Only issue at this time is ED but getting better

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/7/2011 9:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Your special prayers and offerings of me in prayer have meant a lot to me, Jeff, over the past 2 plus years. I don't talk about matters of faith here, as there is a rule in place, but can assure you, I could have never survived and endured what I have without a solid core of faith.

Bless you too brother, for your continued care about me.

David in SC
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,

Squirm
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   Posted 3/7/2011 10:00 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi David
It would seem very unusual for this to be related to cancer...I agree, the likely hood of any potential metastasis causing this seems very low esp with your low psa. My "sense" is it would be much more likely to be related to joint degeneration. After the review, I would say find a good orthopedist and chiropractor, the two should be able to take care of it.

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/7/2011 10:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Squirm, it is highly unlikely that its directly cancer related at this point, but it happened to one of our own here at HW with a similar post SRT psa reading. If it is not cancer related, I will be seeing one of the best orthopedic surgeons in our area for an opinion. 3 months ago, this pain didnt exist at all, now its full time and chronic. Something is going on for sure.

David
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,

Jazzman1
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   Posted 3/7/2011 10:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Good luck with your test results, David. If anybody around here is due for a break, it's you.
Age 55
PSA: 8/09 2.69 -- 7/10 4.00 -- 8/10 4.11
--------------------------------------------------
Biopsy 8/10
Three of 14 cores positive: 10%, 60% & 80%
Stage T1C; Gleason 6
---------------------------------------------------------------
open radical prostatectomy at Cleveland Clinic 11/2/10
Post-surgical pathology: Gleason 7 (3+4)
Three positive margins; Stage T2c(+)
12/7/10 PSA: <.03

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/8/2011 12:33 AM (GMT -6)   
thanks, i do need somewhat of a break from this continuous roller coaster ride
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,

maldugs
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   Posted 3/8/2011 2:19 AM (GMT -6)   
Hope they just find bones mate!

Regards Mal
age 67 PSA 5.8 DRE slightly firm Rt
Biopsy 2nd July 07 5 out of 12 positive
Gleason 3+4=7 right side tumour adenocarcinoma stage T2a
RP on 30th July,

Post op Pathology, tumour stage T3a 4+3=7, microcsopic evidence of capsular penetration, seminal vessels, bladder neck,are free of tumour, lymph nodes clear, no evidence of metastatic malignancy, tumour does not extend to the apical margins.

Post op PSA 0.5 26th Sept. Totally dry since catheter removed
PSA 23rd Oct.0.5 seeing Radiation Onocologist 31st Oct.
Started radiation treatment on 5th Dec, to continue until 24 Jan. 08.
Finished treatment, next PSA on 30th April.
PSA from 30th April 08, until now range- 0.5 to 0.6, I am now 70

English Alf
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   Posted 3/8/2011 2:56 AM (GMT -6)   
After all you've been through so far David, I hope that the source of this problem/pain gets diagnosed quickly as a result of the test/scan results, and that a cure or solution is found quickly too.
The fact that you ache more today after lying so long in an uncomfortable position for the scan makes it sound like it might also be skeleton/disc related.
You have also been a lot less active and mobile for a while and that in itself can affect one's joints/bones, so persevering with your physical therapy or having more may be one thing they might recommend.

There have been so many folk here with (non cancer realted) bone/back ache etc post surgery and/or RT that I think it should almost be added to the list of side effects to be expected.
It may of course just be the coincidence of age.
I can't imagine that my aches and pains are as bad as yours, but I (too) am now finding find that every little ache seems to be twice as bad and last twice as long. It also doesn't take seem to take very long now to get a "bad back" from sitting, standing or lying in certain positions. Yesterday cycling hurt my knee, today walking hurt my ankle, last Saturday standing still at a meeting for ten minutes hurt my lower back, the list is almost endless.

I was told years ago that my joints could be aching because of what I ate (things like cheese, red meat, chocolate, fruit juice, coffee, alcohol etc that make acids inside you that then inflame the joints) So I hope an interesting discussion will ensue here if they tell you that it's diet related and that there is a list of foods that you must now eat or avoid etc, or that you should perhaps try some food supplements.

:-)
Alf

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   Posted 3/8/2011 5:55 AM (GMT -6)   
I wish you the very best, you certainly deserve it after all you've been through. There's not a lot of difference between our initial conditions, you just got the short end of the stick on side effects. So much about this disease is just luck, good or bad.

On the pain I'm with those who think it's not cancer related, but glad you're getting it thoroughly checked out. I've had a strange type of back pain for years, and if my PSA wasn't 0, I'd be worried as you are that it might be PC related. Face it, at our age, back and hip pain is pretty normal for the course, just hope that everything comes out clean for you.
Age: 66
Pre-surgery PSA: 7 tests over 2 years bounced around from 2.6 to 5.6
Biopsy 8 of 12 positive, Gleason 3+4, T2a
DaVinci August 2009, pathology Gleason 4+3, neg margins, T2c
Post-surgery PSA one year of zeros.
Continent right away.
Viagra and other pills only gave me headache
Trimix working great!

An38
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   Posted 3/8/2011 6:18 AM (GMT -6)   
David,

I have nothing to add except I hope and pray that the results are good.

An

natural44
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   Posted 3/8/2011 9:46 AM (GMT -6)   
Ditto An's post!

Tim
age 44 when diagnosed 45 now
RRP 9-28-10
gleason 3+3
pathology report clear
11-1-10 PSA 0.02
3 month 0.00
pump works ok
12-1-10 noctural erections, not very strong maybe 20%
tried all oral meds and nothing yet
Dr. R. Saint in Tulsa did my procedure, I do NOT recomend him!!
2-28-11 ED seems to be getting worse, no nocturnals for a week, and nothing spontanious at all still

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/8/2011 11:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks one and all, I am still awaiting the results.

English Alf: keep in mind, that I have had one month of at-home physical therapy, and now at 4 1/2 month point of outpatient PT, twice a week. Both my Uro/Surgeon and GP have reccomended that I stay in the PT program indefinitely, as long as my insurance doesnt mind. So far, Blue Cross has been paying 100% of the PT bills.

I don't know what is really going on with the hurt, I admit that. That's why I see good doctors and that's why I consented to another bone scan. There has to be an answer. Wasn't there 3 months ago, didn't pull anything or hurt myself prior to this, and its been increasing in intensity over each passing week. I was looking at a model of a full size skeleton at PT today, and asked the therapist to help me orientate a bit, as I dont know anatomy. I can put on the swivel where the hip/and pelvic bed are located, and that is the source of my pain. As it increase, the pain radiates outward toward the surface.

Got to be an answer out there.

David
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/8/2011 5:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Tuesday evening, little dispointed that I didnt get a call today on the test results, hoping will by tommorow.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,

Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 3/8/2011 6:26 PM (GMT -6)   
David I have checked off and on all day long. I know it is driving you out of your mind waiting for word for the test. Thinking about you buddy.

Cajun jeff
9/08 PSA 5.4 referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3+4=7 1 positive core in 12 1% cancer core
10/08 Nerve-Sparing open radicalSurgery Path Report Downgrade 3+3=6 GS Stage pT2c margins clea
r3 month: PSA <0.1
19th month: PSA <0.1
2 year PSA <0.1
Only issue at this time is ED but getting better

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/8/2011 7:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Jeff, waiting for that last PSA after 6 months, didn't bother me at any time, even though it was bad news in the end, waiting for this, is driving me nuts, as I need a break and an all clear signal for now. I am sitting here at 8 PM, with a throbbing burning ache in that hip spot, about to take some serious pain med, I would rate it a 6 to 7 pain. Just want to know what is going on.

david
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,

Kark60
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   Posted 3/8/2011 8:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Just a quick question because I don't know the answer... can a bone scan result in an actual diagnosis of cancer or does it reveal a "suspicious area" that then requires some sort of biopsy or further testing?

Good luck David... I have been following your situation for a couple years now and really hope you receive good news.
Diagnosed at 47 (currently 50). Pre-surgery PSA: 13.7 Pre-surgery Gleason: 4+3=7. CT Scan, Bone Scan, PET Scan: Clear. LRP 5/28/08. Left nerve bundle removed. POST-SURGERY: Gleason: 4+3=7; 10% of prostate all quadrants involved; EPE left base & apex; extensive PNI present. Bladder neck, lymphvasular space, seminal vesicles, 17 examined lymph nodes, and all surgical margins FREE of tumor. T3a. Four-week post-surgical PSA = 0.1; Seven-week = .01; 10/08 – 4/10 PSA= 0.0; 4/10=0.1; 5/10 & 8/10 = 0.1; 9/10=.15; Prostiscint = negative; 12/10=0.3. 12/15/10 began 70.2 grays SRT and will finish 10/10/11.

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/8/2011 9:43 PM (GMT -6)   
kark, good question. i think the answer is "no", but not positive. and thanks for your concern, its been a wild ride so far.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,
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