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DaSlink
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   Posted 3/31/2011 8:05 AM (GMT -6)   
Even though we no longer have kids living at home, my wife has already put out the Easter stuff. She loves to decorate for holidays. As we speak, sitting upon the fire place mantle is a bowl of Peanut M&M's. My favorite and probably the best candy ever invented.
Once again in a span of less than a week,I find myself in a dilemma, to munch or not to munch confused I know that sugar is fuel,and If at all possible I don't consume sugar,but Peanut M&M's, That's a tough one smhair
Every minute you fish or ride,adds an hour to your life!

Age 52 Dx age 53 daVinci surgery
prostate volume 32 grams
Biopsy 12 cores with 7 positive
Gleason score of 7
1st PSA 38.7 10/05/2010
2nd PSA 49.9 11/23/2010
CT neg.
BS Negative
RRP on 01/25/2011
PT3a -40% involved
margin involved-Left anterior
lymph nodes -clear
1st post op PSA-0.26-03/16/11

Worried Guy
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   Posted 3/31/2011 8:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Peanuts are protein. If you eat them, cut back on lunch intake.

Is your wife getting a kick out of watching you squirm? ;-)

Jeff
Age: 58, Mar 35 yrs, 56 dx, PSA: 4/09 17.8 6/09 23.2
Biopsy: 6/09 7 of 12 Pos, 20-70%, Gleason 4+3 Bone, CT Neg
DaVinci RP: 7/09, U of Roch Med Ctr
Path Rpt: Glsn 3+4, pT3aNOMx, 56g, Tumor 2.5x1.8 cm both lobes and apex
EPE present, PNI extensive, Sem Ves, Vas def clear, Lymph 0/13
Incont: 200ml/day ED: Trimix
Post Surg PSA: 10/09 .04, 4/10 .04, 7/10 <0.01, 12/10 <0.01
AdVance Sling 1/10/11 Dry

Casey59
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   Posted 3/31/2011 8:31 AM (GMT -6)   
Well, you are right that sugar does fuel prostate cancer (and other cancers)...it doesn't cause it, but it provides it with fuel. In fact, one of the diagnositic tools, the PET scan, is performed by giving the patient an intravenous glucose solution with a radioactive marker and viewing where the sugar accumulates on a full body scan. Within minutes, the sugar is taken up by the cancer cells and the doctor can see where the cancer is located. The basis of this test is that a sugar encourages the growth of cancer.

There are a lot of guys who have gotten very highly motivated to make lifestyle changes (diet, exercise, stress reduction) since these have been shown to slow (or even reverse the progression) of prostate cancer in men with biopsy-confirmed PC...but others are not so motivated. It's a personal choice...but it is absolutely YOUR choice.  My wife was a tremendous help in facilitating my lifestyle changes.

Tudpock18
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   Posted 3/31/2011 8:33 AM (GMT -6)   
DaSlink, perhaps you missed my earlier thread about the positive attributes of M & M's.  My thesis was supported by many HW members and a spirited debate ensued about which color was best.  I don't recall that Peanut M & M's were part of the discussion, but I'm positive that those also are GFMPH.
 
Munch away.... tongue
 
Tudpock (Jim)
Age 62 (64 now), G 3 + 4 = 7, T1C, PSA 4.2, 2/16 cancerous, 27cc. Brachytherapy 12/9/08. 73 Iodine-125 seeds. Procedure went great, catheter out before I went home, only minor discomfort. Everything continues to function normally as of 12/8/10. PSA: 6 mo 1.4, 1 yr. 1.0, 2 yr. .8. My docs are "delighted"! My journey:
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=1305643&g=1305643#m1305643

clocknut
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   Posted 3/31/2011 8:33 AM (GMT -6)   
If you can find the blue ones, use them as Viagra placebos.  Also, several web results after Googling "Blue M&M's" reference a scientific study that the dye in the blue ones can help mend spinal injuries.


logoslidat
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   Posted 3/31/2011 9:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Too much sugar obviously is bad, so again Moderat ion. It is my understanding that sugar feeds all cells. Fruit has sugar and we are encouraged , I believe, to have our portions of those. Blood feeds cancer also.
Diagnosed 8/14/09 psa 8.1 66,now 67
2cores 70%, rest 6-7 < 5%
gleason 3+ 3, up to 3+4 @ the dub
RPP U of Wash, Bruce Dalkin,
pathology 4+3, tertiary5, 2 foci
extensive pni, prostate confined,27 nodes removed -, svi - margins -
99%continent@ cath removal. 1% incont@gaspass,sneeze,cough 18 mos, squirt @ running. psa std test reported on paper as 0.0 as of 12/14/10 ed improving

tatt2man
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   Posted 3/31/2011 9:53 AM (GMT -6)   
DaSLINK
russell stover and the people who make reese's peanut butter cups have a great line of sugar-free chocolates available at walmart and other locations.
I buy them for steve since he is diabetic -
-found this for you - food for thought -
www.russellstover.com/
I tried a direct link to their sugar free products but the URL did not work ...you can do it by going to main site - then russell stover - then sugar free - they even have chocolate covered peanuts !!

hugs,
BRONSON
Age:55 -gay with spouse of 14 years, Steve -Peterborough, Ontario, Canada
PSA:10/06/09 3.86
Biopsy:10/16/09- 6 of 12 cancerous samples, Gleason 7 (4+3)
Radical Prostatectomy:11/18/09
Pathology:pT3a -Gleason 7 -extraprostatic extension -perineural invasion -prostate weight -34.1 gm
PSA:04/08/10 -0.05 -Zero Club
PSA:09/23/10 -0.05 -Zero Club
PSA:03/24/11 -0.02 -Zero Club
PSA:03/24/12- TBA

Post Edited (tatt2man) : 3/31/2011 9:57:21 AM (GMT-6)


DaSlink
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   Posted 3/31/2011 2:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Bronson;
That was Brilliant!. Every thing a PCa boy needs. Sugar free chocolate and nuts in every bite!
Not gonna be hard on the waist either!
Every minute you fish or ride,adds an hour to your life!

Age 52 Dx age 53 daVinci surgery
prostate volume 32 grams
Biopsy 12 cores with 7 positive
Gleason score of 7
1st PSA 38.7 10/05/2010
2nd PSA 49.9 11/23/2010
CT neg.
BS Negative
RRP on 01/25/2011
PT3a -40% involved
margin involved-Left anterior
lymph nodes -clear
1st post op PSA-0.26-03/16/11

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/31/2011 2:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Almost everything you eat turns to glucose in the body, so limiting sugar is something of a myth. Moderation in our eating habits is much more useful than dogmatic rules about eliminating entire types or groups of food. This came from an Oncology Dietician I spoke with late last year.

Peanut MMs are part of my Taste-Good PC Diet plan. Knocked off a 16 oz big bag just this week, sure made me feel better.

david
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,

goodlife
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   Posted 3/31/2011 3:13 PM (GMT -6)   
So, if I normally eat 5 handfuls, is 3 handfuls moderation ?

How many M & M 's can I eat and still be considered moderate. After we finish this debate, can we move on to jelly beans ?

Goodlife

geezer99
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   Posted 3/31/2011 3:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Did you chew on the Christmas tree? Did you munch the Halloween Jack-o-lantern? Of course not! The trick is distinguishing between decoration and food. Those peanut M&Ms are decorations -- after Easter they will be packed up and put away until next year when they will appear again along with the plastic eggs and cotton bunnies which you also have not munched.

We had some Christmas candy which lasted five years until some unfortunate guest mistook them for food

Attitude adjustment!
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3+4=7
CAT scan, Bone scan 1/09 both negative.

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Out 03/08/09
Pathology: Lymph nodes & Seminal vesicles negative
Margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4+3=7
6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.
10 weeks: no pad at night -- slight leakage day/1 pad.
3 mo. PSA 0.0 - now light pads
6 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day
9 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day ED remains
12 mo. PSA 0.00 -- still one light pad and ED
16 mo PSA 0.00 -- light pad just for security, ED still an issue

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/31/2011 3:50 PM (GMT -6)   
good life - serving size depends on high big your hands are
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,

DaSlink
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   Posted 3/31/2011 3:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Good thing I have big hands devil
Every minute you fish or ride,adds an hour to your life!

Age 52 Dx age 53 daVinci surgery
prostate volume 32 grams
Biopsy 12 cores with 7 positive
Gleason score of 7
1st PSA 38.7 10/05/2010
2nd PSA 49.9 11/23/2010
CT neg.
BS Negative
RRP on 01/25/2011
PT3a -40% involved
margin involved-Left anterior
lymph nodes -clear
1st post op PSA-0.26-03/16/11

BillyMac
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   Posted 3/31/2011 4:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Casey59 said...
Well, you are right that sugar does fuel prostate cancer (and other cancers)...it doesn't cause it, but it provides it with fuel. In fact, one of the diagnositic tools, the PET scan, is performed by giving the patient an intravenous glucose solution with a radioactive marker and viewing where the sugar accumulates on a full body scan. Within minutes, the sugar is taken up by the cancer cells and the doctor can see where the cancer is located. The basis of this test is that a sugar encourages the growth of cancer.


And that is one of the erroneous half truths on which the sugar feeds cancer myth is based. Tumour cells do indeed take up the radioactive glucose marker faster than other cells in your body and show up first on the scan. They do this simply because they are more active than other cells in your body. It is for this same reason that other things such as arthritis show up as well at the same time. The changes due to arthritis are equally as active and will take up the glucose at the same rate. If the scan was to continue you would actually see different area of your body begin to light up in order of cell activity. Next on the list would be your brain, a consumer of much glucose (and incidentally where the first reaction to low glucose {= sugar} levels is often felt). Sugar may indeed contribute empty calories foodwise but glucose is the fuel of life and sugar is simply a form of glucose. Eliminating sugar from your diet does not deprive either your body or its tumour of glucose ------- that is simply impossible while you are alive. If you disagree perhaps you could present the evidence to the Mayo clinic:

www.mayoclinic.com/health/cancer-causes/CA00085/NSECTIONGROUP=2

Edited to include link.

Post Edited (BillyMac) : 3/31/2011 5:53:58 PM (GMT-6)


DJBearGuy
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   Posted 3/31/2011 5:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Dark chocolate peanut M&Ms are the best.
Diagnosis at 53. PSA 2007 about 2; 2008 4.3
Biopsy Sept 2008: 6 of 12 cores pos; Gleason 4+3 = 7
CT & Bone scan neg
Da Vinci at City of Hope Dec 8, 2008
Rad prostatectomy & lymph node dissection
Cath out on 7th day, in on 8th day, out again 14th day after neg cystogram
Path: pT2c; lymph nodes neg; margins involv; 41 grams,
PSA 1/08, 4/09,7/09, 10/09, 11/09,2/10 <0.01, 10/10 0.1, 2/11 0.08

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/31/2011 5:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Billy, you provided a well needed scientific angle to my cruder and simplistic answer on the same thing.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,

davidg
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   Posted 3/31/2011 7:53 PM (GMT -6)   
are Jelly Beans a problem?

Casey59
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   Posted 3/31/2011 8:08 PM (GMT -6)   
BillyMac said...

And that is one of the erroneous....
 
Dang, BillyBob...I guess they'll just have to take back that Nobel Prize from Otto Warburg (at least one of the two that he was awarded) since you just disproved his whole thesis.  Up until about 2 hours ago when you posted, this was the common understanding:
Glucose has an irrefutable role in encouraging the growth and metastasis of cancer. Based on research and the cancer-sugar connection, the best dietary recommendation for those with cancer may be a whole foods, organic diet with includes more fresh, organic vegetables, but less sweet fruit (such as bananas, figs, dates, etc.) as well as eliminating all refined sugars, (such as fructose, sucrose,sorbitol, maltodextrin, etc.) including hidden refined sugars (found in foods not normally associated with containing sugar such as soups, breads, ketchup, etc.). This carefully planned regime may be an enormous help in regulating blood glucose and hence, improving immunity while selectively starving cancer cells.
Thanks for setting us all straight!
 
 
 
Wanna read about some of that research, search pubmed.gov; enter "prostate cancer insulin"; then change the search to just "cancer insulin"
 
Or, if you wanna just jump right to the Dr Mark Scholz article in PCRI, go here:  http://www.prostate-cancer.org/education/nutrprod/ScholzBlum_Nutrition_Prostate_Cancer.html

fulltlt
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   Posted 3/31/2011 9:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I like peanut M&M's too. I have special way that I eat them. I take a handful and then sort them by color in descending order. Then I take and eat one from the group that has the most in it. Then I recursively repeat the process. When they are gone the program aborts.
age 57 2/2010
PSA Feb 8.2
biopsy 2/2010 - 2 of 8 left & 2 of 8 right positive, Gleason 3+4=7
attended support group - advised to get a second opinion
second opinion on pathology from Johns Hopkins 4+4=8
PSA 15 4/2010
5 weeks IMRT 4/2010-6/2010 at Copley Hospital in Aurora, IL
91 palladium 103 seeds 7/2010 at Chicago Prostate Center, Westmont, IL
PSA Oct 3.97, Dec 2.78, 3/9/11 2.42

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/31/2011 9:21 PM (GMT -6)   
I have this OCD thing, where I can't make myself it the blue ones, afraid of them for some reason, and if there is any defect at all in the coating, in the trash they go. I have high standards when I binge on Peanut MMs.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,

BillyMac
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   Posted 3/31/2011 10:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Casey59 said...
BillyMac said...

And that is one of the erroneous....




Dang, BillyBob...I guess they'll just have to take back that Nobel Prize from Otto Warburg (at least one of the two that he was awarded) since you just disproved his whole thesis. Up until about 2 hours ago when you posted, this was the common understanding:


Glucose has an irrefutable role in encouraging the growth and metastasis of cancer. Based on research and the cancer-sugar connection, the best dietary recommendation for those with cancer may be a whole foods, organic diet with includes more fresh, organic vegetables, but less sweet fruit (such as bananas, figs, dates, etc.) as well as eliminating all refined sugars, (such as fructose, sucrose,sorbitol, maltodextrin, etc.) including hidden refined sugars (found in foods not normally associated with containing sugar such as soups, breads, ketchup, etc.). This carefully planned regime may be an enormous help in regulating blood glucose and hence, improving immunity while selectively starving cancer cells.


Thanks for setting us all straight!

Wanna read about some of that research, search pubmed.gov; enter "prostate cancer insulin"; then change the search to just "cancer insulin"

Or, if you wanna just jump right to the Dr Mark Scholz article in PCRI, go here: http://www.prostate-cancer.org/education/nutrprod/ScholzBlum_Nutrition_Prostate_Cancer.html



You're welcome and the name is Billy Mac. What the hell is a dang? Most proponents of the sugar nonsense end up quoting Wallburg at some stage. Prize received in 1931 ----- now there's the latest cutting edge medical research for you. They also tend to leave out that the man was more than distinctly odd later in life with extremely bizarre ideas and very eccentric theories. Quoting him regarding medicine today is akin to quoting Marie Curie on the best method to deliver EBRT for excellent results. Referring to articles on the proposed connection between high insulin levels and tumour is a separate issue to directly linking sugar and tumour growth and substituting one for the other adds no support to your argument. I do love your definition of proof when it finishes with

"This carefully planned regime may be an enormous help in regulating blood glucose and hence, improving immunity while selectively starving cancer cells.

Post Edited (BillyMac) : 3/31/2011 10:55:31 PM (GMT-6)


Purgatory
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   Posted 3/31/2011 10:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Billy - dang is a polite yank way of saying d-a-m-n

BillyMac
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   Posted 3/31/2011 10:35 PM (GMT -6)   
If I was a more sensitive soul I would guess then that the use of the terms dang and BillyBob was Casey's attempt at a snide (now where did I see that mentioned the other day) putdown -------- perhaps he thinks all those who don't agree with him are ignorant southern hillbillies. He certainly does not like to have his views disputed. It is such an unpleasant character trait.
Bill

BillyMac
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   Posted 3/31/2011 10:39 PM (GMT -6)   
David,
You certainly like to live life on the edge. Not only sugar but possibly aflatoxins with the nuts and who knows what colour additives you're consuming. Talk about reckless behaviour.
Bill

Purgatory
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   Posted 3/31/2011 10:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Billy, missed you on the chat night the past 2 times. BTW, hope he realizes that you are in Australia, not in the Southern US like me. Its usually considered polite at least, to use a person's correct name or handle. Common courtesy.

Were you being serious about the candy part? Or just your normally humorous self? Sweets is one of the few things that I have left to enjoy, going to deprive me of that too? lol. It helps fight the depression without needing to be on antidepressents. That chemical in chocolate truly makes me feel better about myself. I got to have some vice, don't I. As Lambroghini use to advertise a few years back: Sin was never so fun.

My best to you, mate.

David

Post Edited (Purgatory) : 3/31/2011 11:01:25 PM (GMT-6)

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