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natural44
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   Posted 3/31/2011 11:35 AM (GMT -6)   
I started yesterday in the Dr.s' office with .25 trimix i got a 80-90% firmness erection for about an hour ..now that is with no stimulation , and no plump or even massage of the site the Dr. just gave the injection and said pull up your pants and wait and see..1-2 minutes later got the wood I have been looking for since 6 months ago...
 
My question for all those experienced with this is:   Should I stay with the same .25 dose and try the plump and prick and massage or constriction ring ?  or up the dosage to .30  for a more firm erection?
 
I felt very uncomfortable standing or sitting there in the Dr.s' office with a woody un der my pants and he asking questions...so i feel like if i am in more comfortable enviroment  the erection may be better with that same dosage.... 
 
Tell me what you think please...
age 44 when diagnosed 45 now
RRP 9-28-10
gleason 3+3
pathology report clear
11-1-10 PSA 0.02
3 month 0.00
pump works ok
12-1-10 noctural erections, not very strong maybe 20%
tried all oral meds and nothing yet
Dr. R. Saint in Tulsa did my procedure, I do NOT recomend him!!
2-28-11 ED seems to be getting worse, no nocturnals for a week, and nothing spontanious at all still

James C.
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   Posted 3/31/2011 11:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Since you asked, here's my personal opinion:

You had almost perfect results with .25 starting from a 'cold' start? Then I would guess you could achieve maybe 90% plus with the plump and prick method at about .15. I'd start with about .10 or .15 with that method and work up. Better to have a few almost's than one overdone that results in a hospital trip, etc. Start at .10 and see, then .15 and if needed .20. Also, it may be that the .10 will work really great one time and be a failure the next, it's the nature of the thing, BUT using the plump and prick method increases the odds for repeatable successful results a great deal.

The thing to strive for is the most useable erection gained with the least amount of drug required. The plumping method does this better than any other method that I have seen. Sp, practice, practice, experiment, but slowly-- a little bit at a time, there's no finish line to get across....Good luck... tongue
James C. Age 63
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Sparing open RP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., clear except:
Probable microscopic involvement-left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 04/10-.06, 09/10-.09, 12/10-.09, 02/11-.08
ED-total-Bimix 30cc

natural44
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Total Posts : 172
   Posted 3/31/2011 12:14 PM (GMT -6)   
James,

I have read that with caverject, which I also have a script for..( the caverject doesnt need refridgeration so he wrote me for that for my trip out of the country with my wife next month) if the first dosafe dosnt work you can add more to the attemt one hour after the first injection..can u add to the first injection of tri-mix if it doesnt give a full erection?

And, Really??? I can go down from .25 to .1 and get even better results than what I got from the "cold" shot at the office???? WOW that sounds incredable!
age 44 when diagnosed 45 now
RRP 9-28-10
gleason 3+3
pathology report clear
11-1-10 PSA 0.02
3 month 0.00
pump works ok
12-1-10 noctural erections, not very strong maybe 20%
tried all oral meds and nothing yet
Dr. R. Saint in Tulsa did my procedure, I do NOT recomend him!!
2-28-11 ED seems to be getting worse, no nocturnals for a week, and nothing spontanious at all still

James C.
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Total Posts : 4462
   Posted 3/31/2011 12:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Now wait a minute, don't get excited.... :-) I didn't say you would get even more for less drug, as in a guarantee or anything, just that it's been mine and others experience. Remember the mantra: Each of us are different and we all react different to anything involving PCa. That said, i think you have a good enough initial response to reasonably expect good results using the smaller amount (maybe not .10 though, that may have been too optimistic ) with the plump method. The .10 was just given as a fairly safe beginning point to work from. I would expect the .15 to get really close, if you carefully and fully follow the plump method instructions. The method of enlarging the cavities, and restricting the outflow, keeping the drug in the penis to allow for time for absorption works well.

Caverject---that's some powerful stuff. Normally you would consider it so much different from Trimix as to be a whole different set of use instructions. Be warned, it can product a very powerful erection, but with an equally powerful aching and even pain in some/most men. It will normally make a rope stiff, but there's a cost for some/most men---the aching. Also, there's a greater chance of overdosing and ending up in the hospital after a 4 hr. erection. I wouldn't attempt Caverject for the first time outside of a familiar setting, in case you do have the 4 hrs. thing happen. Especially if away from familiar hospitals and doctors---especially, especially so if out of the country. If you're gonna try it, then do so while still at home. My instructions for Caverject allowed a second attempt after an hour, but I never did, as the aching from the first was enough to put me off on the notion of more... smilewinkgrin I have done a second Bimix and Trimix once each, and it really didn't seem to add much to it. Seems if I didn't get it right the first time, then throwing more at it didn't increase the success rate. But that's just my experience....others may have had more success.

about that 4 hr. erection, my Uro. told me that if there were any sign of partial deflation at 4 hrs, that I didn't have to run to the hospital. He said that I would need to do so, if it was still fully erect and Sudafed (you do know about Sudafed, don't you?) hadn't worked. But, as always, if in doubt, head to the ER, rather than be guided by what I was told. Good luck
James C. Age 63
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Sparing open RP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., clear except:
Probable microscopic involvement-left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 04/10-.06, 09/10-.09, 12/10-.09, 02/11-.08
ED-total-Bimix 30cc

natural44
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Total Posts : 172
   Posted 3/31/2011 1:10 PM (GMT -6)   
well, I knew cause I learned about sudafed on here the Dr said take two squirts of neo-synepherine.. I planned on trying the caverject here at home like next week before going out of town. I will try the trimix tonight at home alone, or would you recommend wait a day since it was just yesterday afternoon i had the first injection?
age 44 when diagnosed 45 now
RRP 9-28-10
gleason 3+3
pathology report clear
11-1-10 PSA 0.02
3 month 0.00
pump works ok
12-1-10 noctural erections, not very strong maybe 20%
tried all oral meds and nothing yet
Dr. R. Saint in Tulsa did my procedure, I do NOT recomend him!!
2-28-11 ED seems to be getting worse, no nocturnals for a week, and nothing spontanious at all still

James C.
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Date Joined Aug 2007
Total Posts : 4462
   Posted 3/31/2011 1:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Get the original non-generic- PSEUDOEPHEDRINE Sudafed pills. Pills, the little red congestion pills. You want the real deal.

As to frequency of injection- your call--what did the doc say?
James C. Age 63
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Sparing open RP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., clear except:
Probable microscopic involvement-left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 04/10-.06, 09/10-.09, 12/10-.09, 02/11-.08
ED-total-Bimix 30cc

natural44
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Total Posts : 172
   Posted 3/31/2011 2:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Dr. said could use once a day if wanted, just to never excede dosage of injection. I will prob try tonight after going to buy psedophedrine pills! I will try plump method with light constriction band and .20 dosage...Thank you for your help! I will keep everyone up to date on my journy here...

Also: for those who are considering injections and fear the actual injection.....it was nothing at all! felt like blunt pressure only...no big deal at all!
age 44 when diagnosed 45 now
RRP 9-28-10
gleason 3+3
pathology report clear
11-1-10 PSA 0.02
3 month 0.00
pump works ok
12-1-10 noctural erections, not very strong maybe 20%
tried all oral meds and nothing yet
Dr. R. Saint in Tulsa did my procedure, I do NOT recomend him!!
2-28-11 ED seems to be getting worse, no nocturnals for a week, and nothing spontanious at all still

James C.
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Date Joined Aug 2007
Total Posts : 4462
   Posted 3/31/2011 2:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Also, for those wanting to know more, or as a refresher for you, natural, here's the link:

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=1827385
James C. Age 63
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Sparing open RP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., clear except:
Probable microscopic involvement-left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 04/10-.06, 09/10-.09, 12/10-.09, 02/11-.08
ED-total-Bimix 30cc

Cajun Jeff
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   Posted 3/31/2011 3:51 PM (GMT -6)   
My Dr said not to inject more than 3 times a week... I was thinking.. i could be so lucky!. Your script for Caverject must be for Edex. If you are getting a vial of Alprostadil (Caverject) it must be kept cool as well as Tri-Mix. The Edex if a one application syrenge that is mixed and injected then the remaining med in the syrenge is discarded. I am one of the lucky guys that never got the ache that many complain about. I will say that I use the same amount of BiMix as Caverject for the same results.
 
That being said I must say BiMix and Caverject is the best thing sence sliced bread in the ED department.  Very pleased with the injections.

Cajun Jeff

Post Edited (corvetteman3) : 3/31/2011 2:57:09 PM (GMT-6)


natural44
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Total Posts : 172
   Posted 3/31/2011 4:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Jeff;
I will be filling the caverject tonight if my small hometown prarmacy has in it stock to pick up today....and i think it ios the syring type deal....so there is no way of storing unused amount for another injection??? and I was told to start with .25 of caverject as well to see how it works on me. and yes i was also told maximum of 3 injections a week so i will probably wait till sat to try next injection of trimix
age 44 when diagnosed 45 now
RRP 9-28-10
gleason 3+3
pathology report clear
11-1-10 PSA 0.02
3 month 0.00
pump works ok
12-1-10 noctural erections, not very strong maybe 20%
tried all oral meds and nothing yet
Dr. R. Saint in Tulsa did my procedure, I do NOT recomend him!!
2-28-11 ED seems to be getting worse, no nocturnals for a week, and nothing spontanious at all still

Cajun Jeff
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Date Joined Mar 2009
Total Posts : 4108
   Posted 3/31/2011 4:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Natural44--- Have fun buddy. You will think your a teenager again. ;)

Cajun Jeff
9/08 PSA 5.4 referred to Urologist
9/08 Biopsy: GS 3+4=7 1 positive core in 12 1% cancer core
10/08 Nerve-Sparing open radicalSurgery Path Report Downgrade 3+3=6 GS Stage pT2c margins clea
r3 month: PSA <0.1
19th month: PSA <0.1
2 year PSA <0.1
Only issue at this time is ED but getting better

natural44
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Date Joined Dec 2010
Total Posts : 172
   Posted 3/31/2011 5:59 PM (GMT -6)   
I just went to wal mart and they said caverject is back ordered till september...has anyone else had this problem?
age 44 when diagnosed 45 now
RRP 9-28-10
gleason 3+3
pathology report clear
11-1-10 PSA 0.02
3 month 0.00
pump works ok
12-1-10 noctural erections, not very strong maybe 20%
tried all oral meds and nothing yet
Dr. R. Saint in Tulsa did my procedure, I do NOT recomend him!!
2-28-11 ED seems to be getting worse, no nocturnals for a week, and nothing spontanious at all still

James C.
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Date Joined Aug 2007
Total Posts : 4462
   Posted 3/31/2011 6:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah, seems like your doc would have been aware of that. it's been off-shelf for about a year now, and last I heard, there was no firm date when it would be returned. I don't remember the details of why. Totally slipped my mind that I knew that during our discussion. So, problem solved for you, Trimix it is... tongue

Here's a link with some info:

www.ashp.org/Import/PRACTICEANDPOLICY/PracticeResourceCenters/DrugShortages/GettingStarted/CurrentShortages/Bulletin.aspx?id=474
James C. Age 63
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Sparing open RP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., clear except:
Probable microscopic involvement-left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 04/10-.06, 09/10-.09, 12/10-.09, 02/11-.08
ED-total-Bimix 30cc

natural44
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Date Joined Dec 2010
Total Posts : 172
   Posted 4/1/2011 8:52 AM (GMT -6)   
went to a different pharmacy and he is able to get the caverject in for me by next week!
age 44 when diagnosed 45 now
RRP 9-28-10
gleason 3+3
pathology report clear
11-1-10 PSA 0.02
3 month 0.00
pump works ok
12-1-10 noctural erections, not very strong maybe 20%
tried all oral meds and nothing yet
Dr. R. Saint in Tulsa did my procedure, I do NOT recomend him!!
2-28-11 ED seems to be getting worse, no nocturnals for a week, and nothing spontanious at all still

reachout
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Total Posts : 725
   Posted 4/1/2011 9:21 AM (GMT -6)   
From my experience, the results I got in the doctor's office was the same I got at home, except the achyness got better over time. But as far as response, even though you will mid will inhibit you more in the doc's office, the stuff in the needle doesn't know where it is, and you will get the same physical response, though you will of course enjoy it much more at home. At least that was my experience but, as others say, this is very individual.

As far as the dosage, don't increase it if you are getting a good response. It's not worth the risk of having to bring it down with pills or a trip to the ER, and it will hurt more.
Age: 66
Pre-surgery PSA: 7 tests over 2 years bounced around from 2.6 to 5.6
Biopsy 8 of 12 positive, Gleason 3+4, T2a
DaVinci August 2009, pathology Gleason 4+3, neg margins, T2c
Post-surgery PSA one year of zeros.
Continent right away.
Viagra and other pills only gave me headache
Trimix working great!
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