PC/Aerobic Challenge — April 2011 Check-In

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Casey59
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   Posted 4/3/2011 8:26 PM (GMT -6)   

BACKGROUND

In February of this year, we held a weekly “PC/Aerobic Challenge” program here at HealingWell/Prostate Cancer which lasted 4-weeks.  The program provided motivation and support in the true spirit of “healing well” for participants to get up, get out and get some exercise.  Prostate cancer patients/survivors shared their own personal achievements & experiences in exercising irrespective of where they were in Active Surveillance or treatment¾before, during and after treatments (primary treatment, secondary, and even tertiary for some).  There was also open sharing of the medical studies and research which have demonstrated the measurable benefits of exercise (along with diet/nutrition and stress reduction) to men¾even men with biopsy-proven prostate cancer.

There was a high level of interest, enthusiasm, participation and support for the weekly “PC/Aerobic Challenge” program.  Men who had been sedentary joined a nearby gym.  Others who had already been physically active took it up-a-notch and reached for greater challenges.  The 4 weekly threads generated well over 5,000 “views”/“hits” of interest, discussion and sharing.  If you are interested in re-visiting those threads, here are the links:

·         Week 1 (of 4) PC/Aerobic Challenge – 1/10/11 thru 1/16/11

·         Week 2 (of 4) PC/Aerobic Challenge – 1/17/11 thru 1/23/11

·         Week 3 (of 4) PC/Aerobic Challenge – 1/24/11 thru 1/30/11

·         Week 4 (of 4) PC/Aerobic Challenge – 1/31/11 thru 2/6/11

The purpose of this thread is to help keep the momentum going…but on a monthly basis!

Since the Jan-Feb weekly “Challenge”, there have been many newcomers (the sad reality) who will profit from learning about the benefits of exercise by prostate cancer patients/survivors.  And many of the participants from the Jan-Feb event have inquired about extending the program.  I hope that this thread grows long with enthusiasm and support.

See this Mayo Clinic web page (LINK) titled “Exercise:  When to check with your doctor first”, which is based on American College of Sports Medicine (ACSM) inputs (thanks for that link, TimG).

 

WHY EXERCISE?

The evidence is overwhelming that sedentary lifestyle is high risk for cancers [plural].

Dr Michael Kattan (medical statistician, prostate nomogram developer (the well-known “Kattan nomogram”), now with Cleveland Clinic) wrote in the Journal of Urology that, "Age, fitness and body weight have a far bigger effect on survival than PSA, Gleason score, or any type of treatment.  The diagnosis of prostate cancer should be taken as a helpful wake-up call encouraging men to improve their diet and start exercising." 

Need more to motivate you?  How about this:

·         A medical study compared PSA progression in two sets of about 100 men who had biopsy-confirmed low risk prostate cancer over the period of one year.  One set of men added exercise, diet changes and stress reduction, the other set did nothing different.  The average PSA of the men with lifestyle changes decreased, while the average PSA of the men with no changes increased at the rate normally predicted.  LINK1, LINK2, LINK3

·         The benefits of exercise to the vascular system are well-documented.  Ten-times as many men die of vascular (heart) disease than die from prostate cancer.  PC is among the more common and less lethal malignancies, yielding a large population of survivors.  A lesser-known outcome of this is that more men with PC die of heart disease than die from PC.  LINK4, LINK5

Taking a critical look at our medical system, ours is a system of pills and procedures which nurtures a clinical culture in which the goal is to primarily fix what goes wrong.  Too often we put ourselves in the hands of narrowly-focused, albeit skilled, medical professionals, and then do little else to optimize our own chances for the fullest recovery.  Retaining a medical team without doing all you can to help yourself is like attempting to walk with one stilt¾it's possible but the results are frequently disappointing.  

While there are no “silver bullets” or “magic pills” that one can take to make one’s prostate cancer journey go back in time, many medical authorities refer to exercise as the closest thing to a magic pill that one can get to fight-off coronary disease, depression, chronic fatigue, chronic pain and other chronic illnesses (like PC). 

We know we can't ultimately cheat death and live forever, but we can take steps to extend longevity and improve the quality of our life.  Many of the PC/Aerobic Challenge participants have found that these important steps don’t have to be either difficult or costly…but they take commitment and a willingness to change for the better.  Realistically, there is no downside to exercising, but there is a broad spectrum of upsides.  

If the prostate cancer and the challenging side effects of PC treatment motivate us to make the necessary changes we know we should do anyway, then for many/most of us prostate cancer will likely extend our lives and also improve the quality of those extended years.

Read this excellent article titled, “How Prostate Cancer Can Extend Your Life.”  LINK5

 

MY UPDATE

I have kept up approximately the same pace of exercise since the end of the 4-week “PC/Aerobic Challenge” period.  I will summarize my activities in this way:

·         I use a logbook to track my exercise LINK.  I found that keeping a journal helps with the consistency of my workouts, and helps me push myself harder in measured, planned amounts.  According to my logbook, in the 8 weeks that have transpired since the end of the weekly Challenge, and I have exercised 39 times for an average of 4.9 times per week.

·         I do a lot of running on the elliptical trainer because it is easy on my arthritic knees.  According to the data in my logbook, I ran 104 miles in the last 8 weeks.

·         During the 3rd week of the 4-week “PC/Aerobic Challenge”, Galileo got me started on the “100 Push-Up Challenge.”  It’s a 6-week program (minimum) to reach the ability to do 100 consecutive push-ups!  It took me 7 weeks, but I successfully completed the program!  This was a difficult challenge.  I am actually going back through the program now a second time while working on the quality of my push-ups…the first time through I would admit that the quality suffered.

·         During the 4th week of the 4-week “PC/Aerobic Challenge”, I added the “Pull-Up Challenge” to my workout routine…also courtesy of Galileo.  (It’s actually what I call a “chin-up” when your palms are facing outward, which is harder than palms inward.)  There are several different online versions of this, but the one I started begins with one pull-up (this is all I could initially do), but 12 sets of 1 (I was doing this 3 different days in a week).  The next week, you do 6 sets of 2 pull-ups.  In week #3, do 4 sets of 3 pull-ups.  Week #4 do 3 sets of 4 pull-ups, and week #5 do 2 sets of 6.  This was as far as I got.  The program was intended to lead to 12 consecutive pull-ups.  I might re-attempt this challenge later in the year.

 

CONCLUSION

There is an exercise level that is appropriate for everyone.  In fact, exercises have been developed by physiologists for bed-ridden patients because of the great benefits that can be realized by many.  My exercise routine might not be right for you; and, yours may not be right for me.  Use this LINK to help find YOUR own personal fitness level.

The key is to get up, get out, and do something!  While there are lots of medical studies out there proving the benefits, one of the most straight-forward studies found that men who engaged in vigorous physical activity for 30 minutes per week (jogging, biking, swimming, or playing tennis) had a 35% lower risk of dying from any cause. Men who walked 4 or more hours per week had a 23% lower risk of dying from any cause than men who walked for less than 20 minutes. Power walkers – those who walked 90 minutes or more at a normal to brisk pace -- saw their risk decline even more, by 51%, as compared to men who walked less (less than 90 minutes at an easy pace).  A little is good, but more is better.

Good luck.  Now let’s hear from you…

 


Galileo
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   Posted 4/3/2011 10:25 PM (GMT -6)   
I earned my lifetime membership in Weight Watchers this past week, by maintaining my goal weight for 6 weeks. I'm down 37 lbs from the start in October.

I continue to ride my bike pretty often, and longer each week. Today I rode 21 miles, and would have gone longer except that it was a very windy day.

Although I got Casey started on the 100 push-up challenge, I have not gone as far as he has! I can't get much past 80 push-ups, and the quality is terrible, but I'm not giving up. I continue to increase, albeit slowly, in pull-ups. I now work out with three sets of 9 reps each, without assistance (I started out by using a resistance band for a boost).

I lift dumbbells 2-3 times a week--various presses, rows, curls, squats. I've seen some progress there over the past few weeks.

My blood pressure has fallen since I started all of this. I try to take it a few times a week. Here are stats from the tracking software I use:

122/73, 73bpm - over the month, 5 months ago - from 30 October, 2010 to 30 November, 2010
112/68, 70bpm - over the last month - from 3 March, 2011 to 3 April, 2011

I'm still on blood pressure medication, but I'm hopeful that in the future, I'll at least be able to reduce the dosage.

My next physician checks will be a CBC for medication refills in a couple of months (where I'll be curious to see if my white blood cell count has returned to normal) and PSA in July.

I'll be 50 in less than a year, which means I'll have my first colonoscopy...
Galileo

Dx Feb 2006, PSA 9 @age 43
RRP Apr 2006 - Gleason 3+4, T2c, NX MX, pos margins
PSA 5/06 <0.1, 8/06 0.2, 12/06 0.6, 1/07 0.7.
Salvage radiation (IMRT) Jan-Mar 2007
PSA 9/2007 and thereafter <0.1
pcabefore50.blogspot.com

NEIrish
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   Posted 4/4/2011 7:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Such a pleasure to see this in the offerings today!  NEIrish doesn't know it yet, but we're in!
 
He's been pretty good about the fitness center.  Lost 25 pounds since January too, although my ending my own fitness challenge/diet gave him less incentive and he regained 2 in one week.  We're off to the gym this a.m., where he's been using treadmill and Nautilus.  Some tiny signs of spring here in southern New England, so outdoor activity always increases.  I bookmarked the pushup challenge site too, although I'll wait til he's a little more awake before hitting him with that one...;-)
 
Thanks again, Casey59, for starting this again.  "Healing Well" lives up to its name...

compiler
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   Posted 4/4/2011 11:47 AM (GMT -6)   
Good to have this thread every so often.
 
I'm still going 2-3 times per week.
 
Mel

Casey59
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   Posted 4/4/2011 9:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Almost forget another part of my "Update"...

I joined a group of guys at the Y in a weight-loss challenge. about 8 guys threw in $100, with the challenge of losing 5% of their weight by mid-March. If you don't lose 5%, your money goes into the "pool." If you make the 5%, you get your $100 back. The one that loses the most (over 5%) takes half the pool, and any others who lose more than 5% split the rest of the pool.

I lost 14 pounds, which was 6.07%, and I came in 2nd. There were 4 guys who lost 5% or more, so I take home something like $65.

I went out and bought 4 new pairs of pants (my winnings paid for one pair). Cleaned out my closet of baggy work pants, and threw out about 6 or 7 pair.

The guy who won the contest lost 20 pounds, something over 7%.

Purgatory
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   Posted 4/4/2011 10:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Money is a great motivator for exercise, seen that work before

I think the whole challenge thing is a good idea.

In all honesty, even 6 months after my last major surgery, the twice a week physical therapy I am still doing is all I can endure, they wanted me 3x a week, but still not well enough for it. Each session lasts 45-60 minutes.

david
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,

compiler
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   Posted 4/5/2011 10:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Money would not motivate me at all.
 
Each to his own, I guess.
 
Mel

Purgatory
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   Posted 4/5/2011 10:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Well, having been out of work for 2 1/2 years, I would juggle jelly beans while riding a unicycle for money.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos marg
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06 2/11 1.24
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10,

Casey59
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   Posted 4/5/2011 10:59 AM (GMT -6)   
The bet made it fun...it gave us something to talk about in the locker room for the last 2 months. At $100, it was enough to make most of the guys involved want to make the goal, but wasn't going to break the bank if they didn't make it. It was fun...

compiler
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   Posted 4/5/2011 12:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Casey:
 
I prefer poker.
 
Mel

Casey59
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   Posted 4/7/2011 5:55 AM (GMT -6)   

This free online document from the Prostate Cancer Foundation (PCF), titled "Nutrition, Exercise and Prostate Cancer" is an excellent resource for men seeking to "stack the odds in their favor" for the best possible outcomes in fighting PC.  LINK

The document includes these section headings (on selected topics which have been previously discussed here at HW):

  • Introduction -- talks about "thrivership", as opposed to "survivorship"
  • Understanding the Links Between Nutrition, Exercise and Prostate Cancer
    • Effects of Oxidation and Inflamation
    • The Contribution of Carcinogens
    • Effects of Excess Sugar
    • Putting it All Together
  • ...
  • Incorporating Good Nutrition and Exercise into your Daily Routine
  • A Commitment to Change
 
Excellent resource.  
 
Moderators:  excellent "sticky" opportunity; appropriate for all PC patients

Herophilus
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   Posted 4/11/2011 3:21 PM (GMT -6)   

Casey

Thanks for the link....

My update...doing gym 3-4 days a week...having some difficulty with non-prostate cancer related injuries.

Hero

 


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   Posted 4/11/2011 4:32 PM (GMT -6)   
My update--ran a little on a treadmill at a new gym I joined. Nice place. It's a no-frills place aimed at 40 somethings and up who just want to improve their general fitness. Lots of nice treadmills and Cybex Arc Trainer machines. Lots of various weight machines, not too many free weights, but some. 2 Smith machines. It's definitely not for the hard-core body builder. No yoga classes, no martial arts, nothing like that.

The best part is that it's only $10 a month, paid month-to-month, and the cancellation fee to get out of the contract is just $25.

Today I met with a trainer, which of course ended up being a sales pitch for signing up for ongoing consultations (no thanks) and they measured my percent body fat, which was a healthy 16%, about what my home scale measures.

Running on the treadmill gave me a sore knee, so I may switch to the Cybex machines until I get my bike fixed. I love riding my bike, but Saturday the seat suspension broke in a bad way and I have to get it replaced by Trek.
Galileo

Dx Feb 2006, PSA 9 @age 43
RRP Apr 2006 - Gleason 3+4, T2c, NX MX, pos margins
PSA 5/06 <0.1, 8/06 0.2, 12/06 0.6, 1/07 0.7.
Salvage radiation (IMRT) Jan-Mar 2007
PSA 9/2007 and thereafter <0.1
pcabefore50.blogspot.com

logoslidat
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   Posted 4/11/2011 4:39 PM (GMT -6)   
What I did today was 2hrs of SUP paddeling, broken down, 1hour of steady distance paddeling mixed with intervals and 1 hour of SUP surfing and i don't stand there and wait for waves. I do an eliptical pattern out side the line up and pounce when the big boys have gone and catch the waves all by my self. I get to watch what they do and stay out of their way. Planning on an hour of gym cardio tommorow, 20min each, eliptical trainer treadmill running and rowing machine, which is new but works the pumper real good, will follow that up with 1-1/2hr of SUP surfing. Thats the plan, hopefully my mind will still be in control. Oh yea, no sharks. Reminds of what a guy back in the day told me when he went abalone hunting. He would always go with a buddy and a knife. If a shark showed up he would cut his buddy and swim like bejiminy . No? er, ah.......
Diagnosed 8/14/09 psa 8.1 66,now 67
2cores 70%, rest 6-7 < 5%
gleason 3+ 3, up to 3+4 @ the dub
RPP U of Wash, Bruce Dalkin,
pathology 4+3, tertiary5, 2 foci
extensive pni, prostate confined,27 nodes removed -, svi - margins -
99%continent@ cath removal. 1% incont@gaspass,sneeze,cough 18 mos, squirt @ running. psa std test reported on paper as 0.0 as of 12/14/10 ed improving

logoslidat
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   Posted 4/11/2011 10:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Galileo, or any having knee problems running. The key is getting your heart rate up and keeping it there . This can be done with incline trainers, treadmill that incline up to 25degrees. Just walk at a pace and incline that will get your pulse up to the numbers on those charts that match your age. the eliptical is excellent ,but for a change of pace, mix and match lidat.
Diagnosed 8/14/09 psa 8.1 66,now 67
2cores 70%, rest 6-7 < 5%
gleason 3+ 3, up to 3+4 @ the dub
RPP U of Wash, Bruce Dalkin,
pathology 4+3, tertiary5, 2 foci
extensive pni, prostate confined,27 nodes removed -, svi - margins -
99%continent@ cath removal. 1% incont@gaspass,sneeze,cough 18 mos, squirt @ running. psa std test reported on paper as 0.0 as of 12/14/10 ed improving

Casey59
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   Posted 4/12/2011 10:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Great to see your updates, folks.

Galileo/logoslidat, I too have to be careful with my knees. I've had 3 knee reconstructions and can't actually run on a treadmill or on the road at all, but on the low-impact machines at the YMCA I go to I'm fine and can go for miles on the elliptical cross-trainer. Stairmaster is also good (but hard!), and the stationary bicycle (I like the recumbant version).

logo, what is the "SUP" you wrote about? An acronym?

Hero, take care of your injuries...

Galileo and others, I'm thinking of another run at the "100 Push Up Challenge." I completed it in March, but as I indicated above the quality of the push ups was poor. I haven't done many since I completed that challenge. Now, I'm thinking of another cycle but focused on excellent quality push ups. Anyone else interested in joining this challenge? I'm thinking of starting week after next... For more information, go HERE.

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My update: Yes, I had a good workout today; about 60 minutes before work, but the real status update I'd like to give here today is that my annual PSA test result was undetectable!

Herophilus
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   Posted 4/12/2011 10:52 AM (GMT -6)   

Casey,

I got to get this Achilles Tendonitis under control as I have a scheduled 10 K for June 18th in Fairbanks.  I’m doing the Midnight Sun Run and I would like to be competitive for my age.  Thinking my chances are good if I can get the next 30 – 45 days of training in.  I have the distance just working at my overall time. 

Best to you and your family

Hero


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   Posted 4/13/2011 12:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Casey59, SUP stands for Stand up Paddle. They are surfboards frm the smallest 8' to even 15'. You stand up on them and Have a long Paddle, which you propel with. Most people start off with just paddling here and there on the long ones. The catch is if they are long they are hard to surf with, and if they are short , they are hard to stand up on and hence no distance paddling The trick is to practice to the point where you can do both on both. The objective is to stand up at all times. Even when you exit the wave. It is a terrific core workout, plus all the small muscles in the legs just constantly firing as you navigate the the swells changing currents, lidat,[ pidgin english for , like that ] plus the obvious cardio. Btw it has taken off nationwide, peeps do it on rivers, lakes . You do not need waves to SUP, you need waves to SUP surf. Ok 50 minutes of Gym cardio, eliptical and treadmill running. Followed by 1 1/2 hrs
of SUP surfing. Hero , lay off for a week to 10 days , go back slowly, so as not to re-injure, you should be able to get back to former level at the most after 2 weeks, which still gives you time to train to the point of success. BTW casey59 was thar ultra or std, lol, congrats
Diagnosed 8/14/09 psa 8.1 66,now 67
2cores 70%, rest 6-7 < 5%
gleason 3+ 3, up to 3+4 @ the dub
RPP U of Wash, Bruce Dalkin,
pathology 4+3, tertiary5, 2 foci
extensive pni, prostate confined,27 nodes removed -, svi - margins -
99%continent@ cath removal. 1% incont@gaspass,sneeze,cough 18 mos, squirt @ running. psa std test reported on paper as 0.0 as of 12/14/10 ed improving

Casey59
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   Posted 4/13/2011 2:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, Hero

Logoslidat, I've seen photos of SUP (didn't know what it was called), but most have appeared (in the photos) in calm waters. I can visualize that in the ocean that would be a great whole-body workout. So when you surf, do you continue to hold the paddle? Sounds difficult. I have a lake place in Wisconsin...maybe SUP is my next toy!

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   Posted 4/13/2011 4:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Casey, Oh yes the paddle is used obviously for propulsion, also turns on flat water, oceans are never flat, but reletively flat, and on the wave. It is not a distraction, its one of your main allies in the water or should I say on the water. Think of it for balance in this way. Your'e out there paddling, a small swell,not wave,comes by, you start tipping to the side, but you use your paddle like an outrigger stick it out wide to the point where you are tipping, not in the water, but on the water and it stops the tip and you restabalize. Really helps when you exit the wave and try to turn around back thru the oncoming waves and whitewater. Its a total blast. The learning curve on the ocean especially the surfing part is fairly steep, but practice practice. On lakes and rivers and such much easier. Nay sayers may say why not just get a kayak or canoe. Your visibility and manueverabilty is so much better, some say its like walking on water. Ive seen numerous sea turtles,, manta rays, and yes even small reef sharks. Get one you will love it , I use it for body work out and its a great cardio work out, plus just so much fun.
lot of learning video's on line, would be great on your lake, get a rack drive here and there explore water ways lidat
Diagnosed 8/14/09 psa 8.1 66,now 67
2cores 70%, rest 6-7 < 5%
gleason 3+ 3, up to 3+4 @ the dub
RPP U of Wash, Bruce Dalkin,
pathology 4+3, tertiary5, 2 foci
extensive pni, prostate confined,27 nodes removed -, svi - margins -
99%continent@ cath removal. 1% incont@gaspass,sneeze,cough 18 mos, squirt @ running. psa std test reported on paper as 0.0 as of 12/14/10 ed improving

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   Posted 4/13/2011 5:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Workout for today, 1 hour hard cardio at the gym, half hour rowing machine, then half hour treadmill interval running on 5% incline, followed by full upper body resistance training. for any on this thread that want to get involved , but hesitate, cause, shucks I cant do that or Im too old or Im too fat , or whatever. Trust me workouts, like anxiety are specific to each person. I remember a few years back when I was running at whatever pace it was, { nice thing about running a long time, in the historical sense, is that when you eventually slow down, in your mind you are running just as fast.} Any way Im running and see this guy across the road same direction, and think to my self, Gee for a young guy he looks slow. Then I realized he was passing me! This is a good thread cause while its related to PCA in a very direct and helpful way, it takes your mind off it, and we get to know each other a " different "way . And purgatory , if you're there, the pork chops are great too. In spite of all our differences, this life boat , is a nice break from the big boat we are all in.
Diagnosed 8/14/09 psa 8.1 66,now 67
2cores 70%, rest 6-7 < 5%
gleason 3+ 3, up to 3+4 @ the dub
RPP U of Wash, Bruce Dalkin,
pathology 4+3, tertiary5, 2 foci
extensive pni, prostate confined,27 nodes removed -, svi - margins -
99%continent@ cath removal. 1% incont@gaspass,sneeze,cough 18 mos, squirt @ running. psa std test reported on paper as 0.0 as of 12/14/10 ed improving

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   Posted 4/13/2011 5:53 PM (GMT -6)   

Logo

I went to the Missouri White Water Championship on the St. Francois River earlier this month and I saw “SUP” first hand.  Like WOW some of the younger kids were fantastic.  One kid “Jason” looked like he was born on the thing.  Yes Very Interesting…wet, entertaining, would required some coordination and balance that I no longer have, who thinks of these things?

Hero


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   Posted 4/13/2011 9:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Hero, That would be fun to watch, I can imagine the stuff they do in white water, tell me there are not big rocks, lidat, all over. You would be surprised if your training for a 10k in Alaska, brother , you can SUP. When I came back to Maui, after retiring, I started body surfing, had a rough tumble and said , Im to old for this stuff. Well after sitting on the beach with my wife , getting older and older seeing alot of older guys out there, I surfed , regular kine, 3 days in a row with a rental. That week I got PCA diagnosis and it all dropped away. Time and recovery took place but was scared to try it again, went with SUP surfing finally. I figure at the worst I have a window of opportunity to get as fit as an oldtimer can get , at best, years of joy getting out there doing things, I shouda been doing 40 years ago. Hey no shame, a mans gota know his limits, but they are stretchable. speaking of young kids though I was out on the water last week and i see this, kid, way out there, by himself going at it surfing paddling like a pro. from a distance I though he was Midget, no lie. I paddle out to check him out and say hi, he turns around with his chubby cherubic face to find out he is 9 years old Heck when I was 9 I was still playing with dolls, er, ah, I mean big ol trucks. lol
Diagnosed 8/14/09 psa 8.1 66,now 67
2cores 70%, rest 6-7 < 5%
gleason 3+ 3, up to 3+4 @ the dub
RPP U of Wash, Bruce Dalkin,
pathology 4+3, tertiary5, 2 foci
extensive pni, prostate confined,27 nodes removed -, svi - margins -
99%continent@ cath removal. 1% incont@gaspass,sneeze,cough 18 mos, squirt @ running. psa std test reported on paper as 0.0 as of 12/14/10 ed improving

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   Posted 4/14/2011 2:17 AM (GMT -6)   

Yes complete with rocks….I have spent several minutes looking for a picture of (SUP) on the St. Francois River that we took but no luck.  I did attach a URL that has some wonderful shots of the general activities over the weekend. (not my pics, this is a professional) It is still a cold water event this time of year in Missouri.  Interesting that you bring up the subject of (SUP) as it was a new concept to me when I saw it this year.

http://www.studio-222.com/Sports/2011-Missouri-Whitewater/16283218_3erc7/1/1223558987_Bxdtw/Large

Hero


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   Posted 4/14/2011 9:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Hero, so at this event they also incorporate Stand up Paddling, as you noted no sup pics in the link, all kayak etc. I would imagine any one on the board would have a wet suit. I'm off in about 30 min for for the cove in kihei to get out there. The waves I ride are usally no bigger than 4-5 ', any bigger at this stage im just a paddling. if you want to know more google it lots of good videos on it.
Diagnosed 8/14/09 psa 8.1 66,now 67
2cores 70%, rest 6-7 < 5%
gleason 3+ 3, up to 3+4 @ the dub
RPP U of Wash, Bruce Dalkin,
pathology 4+3, tertiary5, 2 foci
extensive pni, prostate confined,27 nodes removed -, svi - margins -
99%continent@ cath removal. 1% incont@gaspass,sneeze,cough 18 mos, squirt @ running. psa std test reported on paper as 0.0 as of 12/14/10 ed improving
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