Alternative therapy to control Hot Flashes?

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Tony Crispino
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   Posted 4/7/2011 1:34 AM (GMT -6)   
I know some that are on hormonal therapy are experiencing hot flashes and find them to be quite uncomfortable. I had them during me 3 year run on the drugs but I live in Las Vegas. In the summer here everybody has them and in the winter it's cols enough that it's nice sometimes to have a personal summer...lol

I didn't do this therapy but I would consider it if I have to return to the HT. This blog is from a friend of mine that was trained in an Acupuncture program through Stanford and UCLA universities. Have a look:

networkedblogs.com/glzir

It's just a thought. I read this tonight and it is fascinating to say the least. I know some folks have taken supplements to control hot flashes so I just wanted to share this for those that might like to look into ways to control them... This is a good example to following a good conventional therapy protocol and trying to make things better with an alternative therapy...

Tony
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
Da Vinci Surgery ~ 2/16/2007
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.
Undetectable PSA.

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JNF
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   Posted 4/7/2011 6:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Tony. You read my mind as I was anbout to start a thread asking for advice for managing the hot flashes.

I am scheduled for my second Eligard shot this afternoon which guarantees hot flashes in the hot Atlanta summer....not a welcome prospect.

Apart from Tony's information, is there any one out there that has an answer to the hot flashes?
PSA 59 on 8-26-2010 age 60. Biopsy 9-8-2010 12/12 positive, 20-80% involved, PNI in 3 cores, G 3+3,3+4,and 4+3=G7, T2b.
Eligard shot and daily Jalyn started on 10-7-2010.
IMRT to prostate and lymph nodes 25 fractions started on 11-8-2010, HDR Brachytherapy 12-6 and 13-2010.
PSA <.1 and T 23 on 2-3-2011.

Fairwind
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   Posted 4/7/2011 11:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Women swear by Dong Quai and Black Cohosh..

Dong Quai has no hormonal activity but Black Cohosh is loaded with phytoestrogen which may or may not have benefit in treating PC. Better check with your doctor on that one...

They DO seem to control/reduce the hot flashes however...
Age 68.
PSA age 55: 3.5, DRE normal.
age 58: 4.5
61: 5.2
64: 7.5, DRE "Abnormal"
65: 8.5, " normal", biopsy, 12 core, negative...
66 9.0 "normal", 2ed biopsy, negative, BPH, Proscar
67 4.5 DRE "normal"
68 7.0 3rd biopsy positive, 4 out of 12, G-6,7, 9
RALP Sept 3 2010, pos margin, one pos vesicle nodes neg. Post Op PSA 0.9 SRT, HT. 2-15-'11 PSA 0.0

F8
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   Posted 4/7/2011 12:04 PM (GMT -6)   
i took 20mg of celexa for hot flashes.  i didn't have hot flashes for the first two shots but got them after the last shot, but i also got weepy on the third shot too which hadn't been a problem before.  the hot flashes weren't terrible tho.  year-round i keep my bedroom as cold as a meat locker, which helps.
 
even without hot flashes i am extremely sensitive to the heat since i began treatment and i sweat profusely when i exert myself.
 
ed
age: 56
PSA on 12/09: 6.8
gleason 3+4 = 7
HT, BT and IGRT
received 3rd and last lupron shot 9/14/10
2/8/11 PSA <.1, T= 6 ng/dl

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 4/7/2011 12:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Ed,
I kept a room at low temps. My wife wants the bedroom warm and that was not always good for me. But by having my "igloo" room I was able to cool off quickly when needed.

Good job, guys. Keep the alternatives coming. Many won't need them but many do and I am hoping that this thread helps...

I wish I wasn't so negative to alternatives when I was on HT. That won't happen again. I tried some things with my chronic lower back pain and it hasn't been an issue for months. (well except for the occasions I am doing serious ATV and dirt bike riding through an unforgiving desert, but I count that as welcome self inflicted pain...lol)

Tony

Post Edited (TC-LasVegas) : 4/7/2011 12:30:10 PM (GMT-6)


natural44
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   Posted 4/7/2011 12:40 PM (GMT -6)   
As an acupuncturist and herbalist I have been treating men and women for this for many years...It works! or even a very simple Chinese tea called Rhemania 6 works very well also......
age 44 when diagnosed 45 now
RRP 9-28-10
gleason 3+3
pathology report clear
11-1-10 PSA 0.02
3 month 0.00
6 month 0.00
12-1-10 noctural erections, not very strong maybe 20% none prior to Osbon pump use
3-30-11 Trimix 1st injection works GREAT! and more nocturnals and even some spontanious erections plus responding a little bit now to oral meds!!! The trimix really started things going!

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 4/7/2011 1:28 PM (GMT -6)   
natural44,
Wished you were in Vegas. A good friend of mine has had episodes of phantom limb pains since a motorcycle accident 10 years ago. Sometimes extreme. I was just given a great document by the gentleman who wrote the article about how scalp acupuncture can relieve those pains. He was trained at Stanford/UCLA sponsored program and practiced it while still serving in the Navy on wounded veterans. He said the success rates were undeniable...

Here's the paper he sent me:

acupuncturetoday.com/mpacms/at/article.php?id=30431

Now my friend is shopping for someone to do the procedure...Brian does not practice it here. Do you know anybody in Vegas?

Tony

natural44
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   Posted 4/7/2011 2:02 PM (GMT -6)   
No, I do not know anyone out that way that does scalp acupuncture, but there is a Dr. Yang in LA I know who is the Master of scalp acupuncture. and LA is not that far away from you there. I have family in LA and fly to vegas every other year then drive to LA...usually faster than getting a car and getting out of LAX.....lol I will look for the number for Dr. Yang. and send to you when I find it. In the mean time there are other therapies that work very well for phantom pains ...... try reverse treatments....squeeze the good hand and PT type work with good side... with acupuncture and or magnetic treatment on amputee side
age 44 when diagnosed 45 now
RRP 9-28-10
gleason 3+3
pathology report clear
11-1-10 PSA 0.02
3 month 0.00
6 month 0.00
12-1-10 noctural erections, not very strong maybe 20% none prior to Osbon pump use
3-30-11 Trimix 1st injection works GREAT! and more nocturnals and even some spontanious erections plus responding a little bit now to oral meds!!! The trimix really started things going!

John T
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   Posted 4/7/2011 9:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Tony,
Will you email me the contact info on the UCLA guy that does scalp acpuncture. I've been living with phantom pains for 40 years and it would be nice to have an alternative to Vicodine.

Re Hot flashes:
Not natural treatments, but estrogen patches and Progesterone work as does a single injection of Depo-Proverta. Other med such as Effexor or Neurontin also work.
JT
65 years old, rising psa for 10 years from 4 to 40; 12 biopsies and MRIS all negative. Oct 2009 DXed with G6 <5%. Color Doppler biopsy found 2.5 cm G4+3. Combidex clear. Seeds and IMRT, no side affects and psa .1 at 1.5 years.

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 4/7/2011 11:21 PM (GMT -6)   
John,
Check your email. He was just giving me info when I asked for it as I knew that he was in the know. But there is an article he forwarded to me about phantom limb pains and acupuncture in the body of the email.

Good luck with that. my friend that suffers them can tell you that they are not fun at all. Pain pills do not help him.

Tony

Post Edited (TC-LasVegas) : 4/7/2011 10:26:12 PM (GMT-6)


JNF
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   Posted 4/11/2011 12:49 PM (GMT -6)   
For hot flashes has anyone tried Megestrol, also called Megace? I believe it is a progesterone.
PSA 59 on 8-26-2010 age 60. Biopsy 9-8-2010 12/12 positive, 20-80% involved, PNI in 3 cores, G 3+3,3+4,and 4+3=G7, T2b.
Eligard shot and daily Jalyn started on 10-7-2010.
IMRT to prostate and lymph nodes 25 fractions started on 11-8-2010, HDR Brachytherapy 12-6 and 13-2010.
PSA <.1 and T 23 on 2-3-2011.
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