cigarettes and prostate cancer

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davidg
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   Posted 4/15/2011 7:46 PM (GMT -6)   
I always here that prostate cancer is genetic.

Could 13 years of smoking had an impact? Is there a direct link between smoking and prostate cancer?

Not that it matters, but I keep trying to figure out what could have done it. I read reports about cell phone use and cancer and I wonder, splenda and cancer, or about keeping laptops on our stomachs while laying down. All the red meat I ate growing up?

Sephie
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   Posted 4/15/2011 8:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Davidg, I know exactly why men get prostate cancer...cause they have prostates ! I was once told that the single biggest risk factor for breast cancer is having breasts, so I figured the same must be true for prostate cancer. Not sure what difference it might make if we knew why our men got PCa...can't go back and change anything. A good friend once told me - during a time of crisis in my own life - that we cannot control what happens to us but we can control how it affects us.

My husband never smoked, no family history of PCa, doesn't use a cell phone, red meat consumption is low, he plays tennis and walks alot, and his work laptop sits on his desk. So why did he get PCA...cause he's man.

davidg
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   Posted 4/15/2011 8:06 PM (GMT -6)   
i played a lot of tennis too... hmmmm

Just wondering because doctors always told me I'd regret smoking and how it caused cancer. I know there is a link with cigarettes and lung cancer, throat cancer, but never heard if there was any with prostate.

Sunbird
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   Posted 4/15/2011 8:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Johns Hopkins claim researchers feel up 90% of prostate cancers have dietary links...........darn those hot dogs steamed in beer!

Sephie
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   Posted 4/15/2011 9:01 PM (GMT -6)   
David, I would imagine that as with many cancers, there are multiple risk factors. We know that cigarette smoking can cause lung (as well as other) cancers yet 20% of those diagnosed with lung cancer have no known risk factor. Maybe you're like those 20%?

logoslidat
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   Posted 4/15/2011 9:26 PM (GMT -6)   
My urologist told me Smoking is a risk factor for PCA. I'll tell you where I think mine came from. Google free radicals and distance running and I mean long runs , marathon training over a long period of time. From 26 to 50 and more I was running 50 to 75 miles a week at anywhere from a 630pace to a 7 min pace , doing plenty marathon tng, eating what evah I wanted , cause Im gonna burn it up. The free radical thing I was aware of back in the day, so was on a regimen of 800 units, day for a couple of years, then kinda of just stopped. Casey59 take note, It is well established that heavy cardio work out increase free radicals, which is why if ya gonna do it get plenty antioxidents. Having said all that, the benefits , imo, even if it did cause it , I mean who knows really. Anyway it could have been, eating what evah, but I was never that bad. Smoking was there from 14 to to 25, and stupidly was chipping with it from 60 to not that long ago, not alot but there. No lie no more!!
Diagnosed 8/14/09 psa 8.1 66,now 67
2cores 70%, rest 6-7 < 5%
gleason 3+ 3, up to 3+4 @ the dub
RPP U of Wash, Bruce Dalkin,
pathology 4+3, tertiary5, 2 foci
extensive pni, prostate confined,27 nodes removed -, svi - margins -
99%continent@ cath removal. 1% incont@gaspass,sneeze,cough 18 mos, squirt @ running. psa std test reported on paper as 0.0 as of 12/14/10 ed improving

davidg
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   Posted 4/15/2011 9:34 PM (GMT -6)   
intersting, i was running 30-40 miles per week for 5 years. Also doig spin 3 times a week which I originally thought was the cause of my elevated PSA.

Casper319
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   Posted 4/16/2011 12:03 AM (GMT -6)   
I eat a lot of red meat and love a big red bloody steak. Also never trimmed the fat off any meat as I thought that was the best part. I think its just dumb luck who gets it and who doesnt. same as breast cancer.
Age:50 Diagnosed: April 2011, Age 50
PSA Level 84 Gleason: 8 and 9's
Biopsy results: 10 of 12 tested positive for cancer
Treatment: Waiting on CT and Bone scan results.

Piano
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   Posted 4/16/2011 4:50 AM (GMT -6)   
No smoking here, no cellphone, no laptop on stomach, no overweight, no running (but still reasonable exercise).

But ... lots of red meat and dairy.
No symptoms; PSA 5.7; Gleason 4+5=9; cancer in 4/12 cores
Non-nerve-sparing RRP 7 March 2008 age 63
Organ confined, neg margins. Gleason downgrade 4+4=8
Fully continent
Bimix worked well; now using just VED
PSA undetectable at first but now 0.4, doubling time 7 months
No radiation but ADT coming unless I can slow down the rise...

Purgatory
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   Posted 4/16/2011 8:26 AM (GMT -6)   
I get weary of the PC blame game. From the start, my doctor said its mostly a question of genetics/dna at the personal level.
Eat this or not eating that, smoking or not smoking, being active or being a couch potato - none of that has been proven to be remotely 100% positive to cause or prevent PC.

Even among our community here, we have men from every spectrum of lifestyles and dietary choices, and you know what the only common denominator? We all have prostate cancer.

Once you have that diagnosis, learn all you can, think through the process, choose as wisely as you can, endure what you must, and hope for the best. That are the real choices, as far as the rest goes, its just an informed guess at best.

No one ever said PC played fair, it doesn't for many.

All the nonograms and charts in the world have nothing to do with you ,as cancer reacts on a patient to patient basis.

Not a doom and gloom view, a realist view, and coming from first hand experience. The truth that none of us really want to hear.

David in sC
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06, 2/11 1.24, 4/11 3.81
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10

compiler
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   Posted 4/16/2011 8:57 AM (GMT -6)   
I believe genetics is a major factor.
 
I am a non-smoker and pretty much a non-drinker (maybe 3-4 drinks a year).
 
I have a friend who has one of the worst lifestyles. He has smoked for almost 50 years (1-2 packs a day). He does not exercise and eats crap. (Fruits and vegetables are not part of his diet). He has a crap job and some family/job problems that are very stressful. He does not handle stress well. He is divorced and unhappy. He is on medication for cholesterol and depression.
 
His mother is still alive at age 90. His father was a heavy smoker and drinker and passed away at age 80 (lung cancer).
 
 
 
Yet, my friend has rarely been physically ill. He may have lucked out in that genetics seems to be trumping all those other factors.
 
Mel

Purgatory
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   Posted 4/16/2011 9:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Hope, you can't mention the "M" word here, in clear violation of forum rules. You may want to edit that out before you get edited.
 
See Forum Rule #2.

logoslidat
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   Posted 4/16/2011 10:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Purgatory, Its not a blame game, its just us'ns talking story, lidat!
Diagnosed 8/14/09 psa 8.1 66,now 67
2cores 70%, rest 6-7 < 5%
gleason 3+ 3, up to 3+4 @ the dub
RPP U of Wash, Bruce Dalkin,
pathology 4+3, tertiary5, 2 foci
extensive pni, prostate confined,27 nodes removed -, svi - margins -
99%continent@ cath removal. 1% incont@gaspass,sneeze,cough 18 mos, squirt @ running. psa std test reported on paper as 0.0 as of 12/14/10 ed improving

Purgatory
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   Posted 4/16/2011 12:55 PM (GMT -6)   
logo - my remark was meant in a generic way, not in a specific way. from the moment with are created with the joining of the lucky sperm and the egg, almost our entire life from a biological and medical point of view is already starting on a pre-programmed course through our dna. with many things in life, there are no answers for why we get what we get.

hope good luck on that. through the penis, ouch.

david in sc
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06, 2/11 1.24, 4/11 3.81
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10

North49
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   Posted 4/16/2011 3:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Current research states that dietary lifestyle can attribute to PCa, high red meat and saturated fat consumption, smoking, weight or BMI, 30% genetic, and environmental contamination contributes.

There is only so much you can control, genetics is not one of them at this point in time. Diet and lifestyle are your best weapons to thwart this disease.
Age 53
PSA 5.6
Diagnosed Sept. 2010
Biopsy T2b/c Gleason 7, 4+3
RRP Dec. 2010
Pathology pT3a, Gleason 7, 3+4, 20% PCa Negative margins, lymph nodes and seminal vesicles
No further treatment recommended.
3 month post-op PSA 03/2011 <0.01

davidg
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   Posted 4/17/2011 12:39 PM (GMT -6)   
North49 said...
Current research states that dietary lifestyle can attribute to PCa, high red meat and saturated fat consumption, smoking, weight or BMI, 30% genetic, and environmental contamination contributes.

There is only so much you can control, genetics is not one of them at this point in time. Diet and lifestyle are your best weapons to thwart this disease.


I know, and I've eaten well most of my life ( at least thought so ). But I did eat a lot of red meat growing up. All my coaches always stressed the need to eat red meat.

Is the red meat and diary thing still a valid rule after the prostate has been removed and all margins have been declared good?

I just got back from the gym, starting feeling very fatigued on mile 4 and started to remember how much energy I used to have just a few years ago. Then I remembered that the period in which I had most energy was the period I was taking creatine. I could work out hours with that stuff and did. Then of course I started to wonder if there is a link with creatine and cancer. about to look into it but if anyone already knows please do tell. I was wondering if the creatine was a good way of overcoming the fatigue I have now. Probably not if it post traumatic stress, mild depression from cancer and stuff liek that.
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