AS option for select older men

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davidg
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   Posted 4/17/2011 9:12 AM (GMT -6)   
The more I read on AS the more it confirms what every surgeon/radiologist/oncologist told me prior to my treatment, that's it can be ideal for older men.

Saw this article this morning that again states the same:


Closely Monitoring Low-Risk Prostate Cancer, With Biopsy, Does Not Raise Risk Of Death And Discourages Overtreatment
Release Date: 04/12/2011

Purgatory
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   Posted 4/17/2011 9:24 AM (GMT -6)   
davidg:

you should look first before starting a new thread. we just had the exact same thing posted and widely discussed just a few days ago:

Hopkins newest data on their AS program

Just look down a page or so. It's the same report.
 
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Ziggy9
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   Posted 4/17/2011 10:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Purgatory said...
davidg:

you should look first before starting a new thread. we just had the exact same thing posted and widely discussed just a few days ago:

Hopkins newest data on their AS program

Just look down a page or so. It's the same report.



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zufus
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   Posted 4/17/2011 1:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Ziggy remind me to hire you as a P.I. type guy... Magnum Zig-Eye P. I. could make a good t.v. program (lol). working. [edited Continuation of subject from original edited post message.]...I probably need help soon!

Purg- nice referrence and observation (Deja Vu)

David G- maybe you should ask James how do I make weblinks a clickable event..hint it is easier than you might have guessed...

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Purgatory
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   Posted 4/17/2011 6:55 PM (GMT -6)   
ziggy and zufus, you both gave me a good chuckle on your posts, I needed that.

seriously, was just pointing out to our new friend, a commonly overlooked guideline, we discused that very study well, I believe over 700-800 views.

i dont even know how to make certain links, clickable, not always the brightest apple on the tree.

yes, have loads of posts, but never intentional plugged posts for the share sake of numbers. seems like there was a lot more going on in HW back in 2008 when i started here

david in sc
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06, 2/11 1.24, 4/11 3.81
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10

logoslidat
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   Posted 4/18/2011 7:18 PM (GMT -6)   
[edited] Continuation of subject from original edited post message.

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Purgatory
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   Posted 4/18/2011 8:04 PM (GMT -6)   
We did just discuss that very topic/study just days before. Since davidg is new, I simply pointed out a simple guideline, that all of us agree to when we join HW.
[edited Continuation of subject from original edited post message.]

David in SC

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An38
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   Posted 4/18/2011 9:52 PM (GMT -6)   
[edited] Continuation of subject from original edited post message.

davidg has had PC, he has found his own path, he has found his own treatment option and he is learning about PCa and sharing his learnings. This is what most people do here.

[edited] Continuation of subject from original edited post message.
An

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Tudpock18
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   Posted 4/19/2011 6:13 AM (GMT -6)   
[edited] Continuation of subject from original edited post message.


Tudpock (Jim)

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GTOdave
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   Posted 4/19/2011 6:34 AM (GMT -6)   
[edited] Continuation of subject from original edited post message.

Blessed are those who come hear to listen and learn. The opposite, IMHO, is true for those who come here to hear themselves talk.

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davidg
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   Posted 4/19/2011 6:50 AM (GMT -6)   
An38 said...
[edited] Continuation of subject from original edited post message.

davidg has had PC, he has found his own path, he has found his own treatment option and he is learning about PCa and sharing his learnings. This is what most people do here.

[edited] Continuation of subject from original edited post message.

An


An, good points [edited] Continuation of subject from original edited post message.

Simple rules I go by

2. Ignore bothersome members. If there is someone on the forum that bothers you, select the Ignore button (VIEW IMAGE) at the top right corner of the post. You won't see any posts from this member again.

4. No posts that attack, insult, "flame", defame, or abuse members or non-members. Respect other members of the community and don’t belittle, make fun off, or insult another member or non-member. Decisions about health and well-being are highly personal, individual choices. "Flaming" and insults, however, will not be tolerated. Agree to disagree. This applies to both the forums and chat.

[edited] Continuation of subject from original edited post message.

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Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 4/19/2011 7:35 AM (GMT -6)   
I clicked the "alert and Admin" link like others in this thread should do insted of taking matters into their on hands cry

diamonds3
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   Posted 4/19/2011 9:13 AM (GMT -6)   
I’ve never witnessed [edited] Continuation of subject from original edited post message] . here at HW,



[edited] Continuation of subject from original edited post message.

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davidg
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   Posted 4/19/2011 10:06 AM (GMT -6)   
[edited] Continuation of subject from original edited post message.

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Ziggy9
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   Posted 4/19/2011 10:12 AM (GMT -6)   
[edited] Continuation of subject from original edited post message.]

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Purgatory
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   Posted 4/19/2011 2:18 PM (GMT -6)   
And to think, all this started because I posted to a fairly new guy that was literally starting a thread exactly the same as a previous one a few days ago. I don't think I was out of line pointing that out to him, and showing him from the official list of "Do's and Don'ts".

David in SC
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06, 2/11 1.24, 4/11 3.81
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 4/19/2011 3:00 PM (GMT -6)   
You weren't but the moderators should do the moderating. It's a good practice to use links as it prevents unnecessary extensive quoting and such.

But others are out of line and we are in recess as to what will happen. All please talk on topic moving forward.

Tony

Purgatory
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   Posted 4/19/2011 3:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Tony, I will have to learn how to do the link thing. Not sure how to do it in many cases, so I resort to old school tricks.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06, 2/11 1.24, 4/11 3.81
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 4/19/2011 3:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Use the open square bracket "[" followed by "url" then the closed square bracket "]"

When finished with the link use the open square bracket followed by "/url" then the closed square bracket...

So start a link with "url" in brackets and end the link with "/url" in brackets.

Tony

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   Posted 4/19/2011 4:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Rule 4: No posts that attack, insult, "flame", defame, or abuse members or non-members. Respect other members of the community and don’t belittle, make fun off, or insult another member or non-member. Decisions about health and well-being are highly personal, individual choices. "Flaming" and insults, however, will not be tolerated. Agree to disagree. This applies to both the forums and chat.

Ok, guys , this stuff ends now. There is absolutely no reason that member of this Forum should be treated the way the original poster has been in this and some other threads. This whole deal is now a pack of dogs mentality, nipping at the heels of people. Whether you like a person or not, whether you agree or disagree with their choices, whether you just plain don't like the poster, there is never a reason to violate Rule 4. I don't care if you've been here 5 years or 5 days, there's no place for it here. If you can't abide by the rules and treat others with respect, not belittling, harassing, or attempting to drag others into the fray, then give yourself a timeout and sit back awhile until you can control your baser impulses. This applies to a bunch of you guys. The original poster DOES have a right to post, express opinions, and participate in discussion on this forum. It is the moderators job to take care of any issues rising from that participation, not for the membership to take it upon their selves to 'straighten' someone out. Get mad? fine, get control of yourselves or get out for a while. There's not gonna be any more of this nipping at the heels and gang mentaility. If I hurt your feelings, though, but this just pisses me off to think that we can so easily forget what we are here for, just because someone new doesn't fit our mold. Yes, he has made mistakes, yes, he has been consulted with by the moderators and yes, he is not now doing anything that would justify this lynch mob mentality. Also, post counts aren't a reason to belittle people. If any moderating is needed or if anyone has concerns, email us, and leave the policing to us, ok? Continue harassing of anyone on this Forum will be justification for recommending to the owner for disciplinary action, including banning. If you can't leave things alone, then use the Ignore function or practice some self discipline. Any further discussion with us mods on this will be by email, there will be no explaining your sides here or elsewhere in threads.

So much for Kumbaya. To the other members not participating in this thread, I apologize to you that you had to witness this. Tony and I have been out of the loop and am just getting caught up and trying to get back in the groove. We will attempt to clean this mess up shortly, after Peter has a chance for review. Geez, take a few days off......
James C., Age 64, Kingsport, E. TN
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Sparing open RP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., clear except:
Probable microscopic involvement-left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 04/10-.06, 09/10-.09, 12/10-.09, 02/11-.08
ED-total-Bimix 30cc

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James C.
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   Posted 4/19/2011 6:05 PM (GMT -6)   
After due consultation and agreement, the following actions have been taken:
The thread is locked
a general butt chewing lecture #4 was given
the original rules violation and all subsequent discussion resulting from it was edited out of the posts (this included both sides of the argument)
a couple of email warnings and notices of rules violations were sent to some people.

The moderators and owner are in agreement that there will be NO rules violations or arguments carried to the extreme that this one was. We will be extra vigilant in editing any future threads that veer off the purpose of this Forum and into rules violations. Posters using 'colorful' adjectives to describe others will be a prime thing we will be watching for, as well as posts containing critical or criticizing comments. Continued or future violations of Rule 4 will be dealt with swiftly. Be nice, play nice ....
James C., Age 64, Kingsport, E. TN
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% involved, left lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Sparing open RP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., clear except:
Probable microscopic involvement-left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 04/10-.06, 09/10-.09, 12/10-.09, 02/11-.08
ED-total-Bimix 30cc
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