Omega 3 news ~ not great news either

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Tony Crispino
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   Posted 4/25/2011 3:18 PM (GMT -6)   
A friend in the industry sent me this one.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-04/fhcr-hpo042511.php

Another link that briefly discusses the topic...
www.foodproductdesign.com/news/2011/04/high-omega-3-levels-double-prostate-cancer-risk.aspx

What it's saying is that high intake of Omega 3 can be linked to more aggressive prostate cancer. (great). Until this article I was under the impression that replacing Omega six with Omega 3 was much healthier.

Well it is. As the article and the RO that sent me this say ~ the benefits outweigh the detriments. So I will stay with my higher intake of sushi anyway.

I think the bottom line is that living can be hazardous to your health. Kinda goes with "life is a terminal condition"...

Tony
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
Da Vinci Surgery ~ 2/16/2007
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.
Undetectable PSA.

Blog: www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

Post Edited (TC-LasVegas) : 4/25/2011 2:37:37 PM (GMT-6)


wifeandmother
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   Posted 4/25/2011 3:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Well that explains that. My husband has been taking high omega 3s for morel than 15 years due to his high lipid levels.

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 4/25/2011 3:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Your link no workee for me.
 
But this one does:
 
 

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-04/fhcr-hpo042511.php

I lied - neither work for me...but I can paste the URL into IE7 and then it works.


Tony Crispino
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   Posted 4/25/2011 3:38 PM (GMT -6)   
I added another link. Not sure why that one gives me grief. I use Safari.

Tony
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
Da Vinci Surgery ~ 2/16/2007
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.
Undetectable PSA.

Blog: www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 4/25/2011 3:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Here is the abstract:

aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2011/04/19/aje.kwr027.abstract?sid=37a1e7b3-855f-40e2-8917-65902986ec34

Tony
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
Da Vinci Surgery ~ 2/16/2007
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.
Undetectable PSA.

Blog: www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

tatt2man
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   Posted 4/25/2011 4:30 PM (GMT -6)   
That article is in contrast to what I have read since my journey began with PCa-

I immediately doubt articles that speak in generalities and do not mention specifics - such as daily consumption of omega-3 supplements, the actual "high amount of DHA" in their systems.... an excessive amount of anything can be hazardous...

I have continued with my dosage (1200 units) of omega-3 ( NO combos with omega-6's which feed cancer cells) since my surgery and my PSA numbers have gone down.

As we have seen stated here in HW - all persons are different and react to PCa, treatment and alternative sources to prevent or reduce re-occurance of PCa. This works for me - may not work for you.

hugs,
BRONSON
Age:55 -gay with spouse of 14 years, Steve -Peterborough, Ontario, Canada
PSA:10/06/09 3.86
Biopsy:10/16/09- 2 of 12 cancerous, 5% involvement -Gleason 7 (3+4)
Radical Prostatectomy:11/18/09
Pathology:pT3a -Gleason 7 -extraprostatic extension -perineural invasion -prostate weight -34.1 gm
PSA:04/08/10 -0.05 -Zero Club
PSA:09/23/10 -0.05 -Zero Club
PSA:03/24/11 -0.02 -Zero Club
PSA:03/24/12- TBA

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   Posted 4/25/2011 4:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Some few years before PCa I had started on Fish oil with Omega 3 & 6 at the suggestion of a physician. Then I dropped (changed products) the 6 after the discussions here. Now I'm spending more to get the Omega 3 only version.
 
Wonderful. Guess I'll get on the POM wagon right before they find out it causes altzheimers or bone metastasis devil

tatt2man
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   Posted 4/25/2011 4:51 PM (GMT -6)   
did some more research - thought it would be better as a separate posting -
www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/omega-3-fats
-this article talks about the benefit of omega 3 - DHA (the fish route) , and the possible hazards of taking omega 3 - ALA (the nuts and berries route)

... the more we know - the better we can be - including being confused as heck.

NOTE: do keep in the mind the endless studies saying drinking wine is good - drinking wine is bad - beer is good - beer is bad ( is there such a study!?)... you get my drift...

helping hugs, (personal study)
BRONSON
Age:55 -gay with spouse of 14 years, Steve -Peterborough, Ontario, Canada
PSA:10/06/09 3.86
Biopsy:10/16/09- 2 of 12 cancerous, 5% involvement -Gleason 7 (3+4)
Radical Prostatectomy:11/18/09
Pathology:pT3a -Gleason 7 -extraprostatic extension -perineural invasion -prostate weight -34.1 gm
PSA:04/08/10 -0.05 -Zero Club
PSA:09/23/10 -0.05 -Zero Club
PSA:03/24/11 -0.02 -Zero Club
PSA:03/24/12- TBA

clocknut
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   Posted 4/25/2011 4:56 PM (GMT -6)   

I guess I was doing all the "right" things.  In spite of my wife's urgings, I was NOT taking any fish oil supplements, and against all advice I continued to eat too many food high in trans-fats. 

I no longer feel guilty about any of that.  Thanks, Tony.


Tony Crispino
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   Posted 4/25/2011 5:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Clock,
I side with your wife. As Mark Moyad says ~ "A heart healthy diet is a prostate healthy diet. And if it doesn't help with prostate cancer it helps with something that is more likely to kill you anyway".

Tony
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
Da Vinci Surgery ~ 2/16/2007
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.
Undetectable PSA.

Blog: www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

clocknut
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   Posted 4/25/2011 5:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah, I know, Tony.  I wasn't being completely serious with that previous post.  turn But it's true that I haven't been taking the Omega-3  and 6 tabs.
 
 

ChrisR
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   Posted 4/25/2011 5:52 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't know why we put any stock in any study. Once a study comes out supporting one side another one comes out saying the opposite. The bottom line is that none of these studies ever offer absolute proof one way or the other. The only thing I know for sure is that I have cancer and nothing is going to make a definitive difference one way or the other about it......
Dx @ 42 years old on 4/2008
Gleason 6 (50 Point Biopsy) (6 Cores positive - Small Focus Each)
open RP 10/08 Johns Hopkins Dr. Partin
pT2 Organ Confined Gleason 6 (tertiary score 0)
PSA Since Surgery
1/15/2009 (3 Month) <.1
10/15/2009 (1 Year) <.1
10/15/2010 (2 Year) <0.03
02/11/2011 (2.3 Year) <0.03 (Impromptu done by GP at a physical)
10/15/2011 (3 Year) -

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 4/25/2011 6:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Chris,
I generally agree. Most studies are driven with a bias intended though I can't find any here. As I said above this won't influence me a bit. Pass the ginger and the soy sauce...

Tony
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
Da Vinci Surgery ~ 2/16/2007
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.
Undetectable PSA.

Blog: www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

livinadream
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   Posted 4/25/2011 6:59 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks for the post Tony. I guess I am the silly I will just keep living large and not worry about all the studies. One day haha I may be sorry.

peace and love
Dale

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 4/26/2011 10:12 AM (GMT -6)   
I forwarded this off to Mike Scott and he did a great post on the subject at the InfoLink:

prostatecancerinfolink.net/2011/04/26/diet-serum-levels-of-fatty-acids-and-risk-for-prostate-cancer/

Tony

mjluke
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   Posted 4/26/2011 11:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Eat real fish, chicken, meat occasionally, vegetables and fruit- bread and pasta is ok too- nothing processed-drink lots of water- a few beers- the odd glass of red- no tobacco- tea rather than coffee except to start the day-that's it.
 
Walk or play lots of golf for exercise.
 
63 years old-tumor discovered on digital exam- biopsy December 2008-
4 of 12 samples positive-all on right side
Gleason 3+3=6
PSA-3
Otherwise excellent health.
Brachytherapy- May 19, 2009 -so far, so good.
 
  "There may come a day when the courage of men will fail, but it will not be this day."

Post Edited (mjluke) : 4/26/2011 10:15:01 AM (GMT-6)


Jerry L.
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   Posted 4/26/2011 7:17 PM (GMT -6)   
In the world of PC, few things are a certainty. One thing I can say for certain though - Before PC, I didn't eat much salmon and fish oil. So, one would conclude I didn't have the FORF (fish oil risk factor), but still got agressive PC.


After surgery I made it a habit to eat fish oil and/or salmon. I must admit....other than this PC thing - I feel great.



So, what will Jerry do tomorrow morning at breakfast...does he take the fish oil or not?...stay tuned next week when we find out that Lycopene supplements are bad for PC...but just for guys whose name begin with J.
Nov. 2009 Dx at Age 44
Dec. 2009 DaVinci Robotic Surgery
Jan. 2010 T3b, Gleason 9
Feb. 2010 Adjuvant Radiation

PSA History:
-----------------
Nov. 2009 4.30
Feb. 2010 <.05
May 2010 <.05
Aug. 2010 <.05
Nov. 2010 <.05
March, 2011 .09

Post Edited (Jerry L.) : 4/26/2011 6:27:54 PM (GMT-6)


Tony Crispino
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   Posted 4/26/2011 7:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Jerry,
Even the "experts" don't know what's good and what's bad. I am very interested in what Scholz, Strum, Meyers, et al have to say about this one. Strum and Scholz both have the fish oil in their books as a proper supplement. So does Meyers in his book along with selenium and vitamin E. If this study holds the true definition of fish oil then Meyers missed on all three accounts after studies. In the Meyers book he discounts Omega 3's from veggies and praises fish oil with a special way to order it.

The Fred Hutchinson Center is a very highly respected research center for cancer. The doctors set out with this study to prove the efficacy of fish oil and were amazed to see it was the opposite of all the hype.

Back into the jungle as zufus would say...

Tony
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
Da Vinci Surgery ~ 2/16/2007
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.
Undetectable PSA.

Blog: www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

Mavica
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   Posted 4/26/2011 9:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Knee-jerk reactions to just one study which tells us little isn't helpful to anyone. If 5 or 10 or more studies said the same thing, well, then it's time to take notice. There are holes in this study, if published reports are accurate and I don't think what was written about the one study today is reason for anyone to change their habits. Consultation with your primary care physician and Urologist is still the best course of action. They know you and your health history better than anyone else who might advise you.
Age: 61 (58 at diagnosis - June, 2008)
April '08 PSA 4.8 ("free PSA" 7.9), up from 3.5 year prior
June '08 had biopsy, 2 days later told results positive but in less than 1% of sample (Gleason's 3+3=6)
Developed sepsis 2 days post-biopsy, seriously ill in hospital for 3 days
Dr. recommended robotic removal using da Vinci; Surgery 9/10/08
Northwestern Memorial Hospital, Chicago, IL; Dr. Robert Nadler, Urologist/Surgeon
Post-Op Gleason's: 3+3, Tertiary 4; Margins: Free ; Bladder & Urethral: Free
Seminal vesicles: Not involved; Lymphatic/Vascular Invasion: Not involved
Tumor: T2c; location: Bilateral; Volume: 20%; Catheter: Removed 12-days after surgery
Incontinent: Yes (1 to 2 light (woman's style) pad per day)
ED: Combination of Cialis and MUSE (alprostadil) once weekly: started 9-27-08
Returned to work 9-29-08 (18-19 days post-op)
PSA test result, post-op, 10/08: 0.0; 12/08: 0.0; 4/09: 0.0; 9/09: 0.0; 3/10: 0.0; 9/10: 0.0

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 4/28/2011 2:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Bump.

The comments on this address what Mavica and others are talking about...

prostatecancerinfolink.net/2011/04/26/diet-serum-levels-of-fatty-acids-and-risk-for-prostate-cancer/

Tony
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
Da Vinci Surgery ~ 2/16/2007
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.
Undetectable PSA.

Blog: www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino
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