New Study - Supplements don't prevent PC

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Jerry L.
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   Posted 5/4/2011 7:26 PM (GMT -6)   

Purgatory
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   Posted 5/4/2011 7:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Backs up what I have thought for years, thanks for posting it
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06, 2/11 1.24, 4/11 3.81
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10

F8
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   Posted 5/4/2011 7:53 PM (GMT -6)   
there's a answer to a question that i've never seen asked.
 
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age: 56
PSA on 12/09: 6.8
gleason 3+4 = 7
HT, BT and IGRT
received 3rd and last lupron shot 9/14/10
2/8/11 PSA <.1, T= 6 ng/dl

Fairwind
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   Posted 5/4/2011 8:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Saw Palmetto didn't even make the list...Two years ago, it was in an end-cap..Today it's on the bottom shelf..
Age 68.
PSA age 55: 3.5, DRE normal.
age 58: 4.5
61: 5.2
64: 7.5, DRE "Abnormal"
65: 8.5, " normal", biopsy, 12 core, negative...
66 9.0 "normal", 2ed biopsy, negative, BPH, Proscar
67 4.5 DRE "normal"
68 7.0 3rd biopsy positive, 4 out of 12, G-6,7, 9
RALP Sept 3 2010, pos margin, one pos vesicle nodes neg. Post Op PSA 0.9 SRT, HT. 2-15-'11 PSA 0.0

Postop
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   Posted 5/4/2011 11:08 PM (GMT -6)   
It's easy to propose that some supplement prevents prostate cancer, but it takes a few years to organize and carry out a randomized double-bind study to prove that it doesn't work. Then you can always propose something else.

I'm organizing a randomized trial of bratwurst to prevent recurrence of post treatment prostate cancer. The control arm is Italian sausage. This is a single blind study--the buns blind the study team, but the subjects will be able to taste what they are eating. Until the results are available, you can log on the my website to buy a variety of health-promoting bratwurst, shipped to you straight from Sheboygan, Wisconsin . . .

Casey59
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   Posted 5/4/2011 11:13 PM (GMT -6)   

To me, the title of this thread (and the article) is a bit misleading...

Vitamin E, selenium and soy don't prevent prostate cancer --- old news

Vitamin D important to fighting cancer (occurrence and progression) --- good news! (but not included in this article, or thread)


MrGimpy
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   Posted 5/5/2011 3:39 AM (GMT -6)   
But at least they reduce the risk see paragraph 4. Combine more risk reducers into a cocktail of know reducers and even if it slows it down by 10 or 20 yrs many men will never need to require treatment

"Surveys of people who consumed high levels of vitamin E, selenium, or soy through their diets or by supplements found a decreased risk of developing prostate cancer, and experiments in laboratory animals also showed a benefit.'

further on it says

"When Fleshner and his colleagues compared the number of cases of cancer in each group, the results were nearly identical. Twenty-six out of every 100 men developed prostate cancer after three years, regardless of whether they took the supplement or the whey-based placebo powder."

So based on their conclusions, 74% of men who did or did not consume these supplements did not develop cancer after 3 years.

So it may indeed help

reachout
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   Posted 5/5/2011 7:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Even if they don't prevent PC maybe they slow down progression. Could be that's why Asians have a lower rate. They may get it just as frequently but it grows so slowly that it may never get them. It may not even be identified if they're not tested. Just idle speculation on my part.
Age: 66
PSA: 7 tests over 2 years bounced around from 2.6 to 5.6
Biopsy 8 of 12 positive, Gleason 3+4, T2a
DaVinci August 2009, pathology Gleason 4+3, neg margins, T2c
Continent right away, ED
Viagra, Cialis did't work, Trimix works well
Post-surgery PSA:
3, month: undetectable <.1; 6 month: undetectable <.014 (ultrasensitive); 9, 12, 15 month: undetectable <.1; 18 month detectable .05

clocknut
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   Posted 5/5/2011 7:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey, Postop, does it have to be Usinger bratwurst?  Or will Johnsonville work as well?  I'm trying to plan my attack. Also, are cheddar brats OK?  That should add some vitamin D.  And then there's the whole question of boiling them in beer.  So many variables.
 

Postop
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   Posted 5/5/2011 10:20 AM (GMT -6)   
I was thinking beer brats, but you're absolutely right. And if there is no difference between the two groups, maybe it would be because Italian sausage works too, an "active placebo." Then you'd have to do two more studies, comparing both of these to a different placebo, say, Kosher hot dogs.

RobertC
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   Posted 5/6/2011 4:33 PM (GMT -6)   
I have read a study that showed that aspirin users had 29% less prostate cancer. (Can irritate stomach and slow blood clotting.)
There have been studies that concluded that pomegranate can delay progression of prostate cancer.
The aspirin and pomegranate look somewhat promising.
On the other hand there was an article that warned that omega-3 fatty acids from fish oil might be harmful in regard to prostate cancer.

Post Edited (robertcool) : 5/6/2011 3:38:29 PM (GMT-6)


Piano
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   Posted 5/6/2011 4:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello Robert, and welcome to the forums.

I have been testing that particular combination (aspirin and pom) and after two months, didn't notice any effect on my rising PSA. Of course, two months is not a long time, so I have continued with that and other things, and will report my new results later next week.
No symptoms; PSA 5.7; Gleason 4+5=9; cancer in 4/12 cores
Non-nerve-sparing RRP 7 March 2008 age 63
Organ confined, neg margins. Gleason downgrade 4+4=8
Fully continent
Bimix worked well; now using just VED
PSA undetectable at first but now 0.4, doubling time 7 months
No radiation but ADT coming unless I can slow down the rise...
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