A comment made today about Vitamin D and Dietary thoughts.

New Topic Post Reply Printable Version
41 posts in this thread.
Viewing Page :
 1  2 
[ << Previous Thread | Next Thread >> ]

Purgatory
Elite Member


Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25393
   Posted 5/5/2011 6:31 PM (GMT -6)   
As a seperate thread to my other one about my consultation with the Oncology Rehab folks, I share the following opinions from the woman I met with.  If you didn't read the other thread, she is in charge of the Rehab Center, been doing this for 15 years, and previously, taught Medical Chemistry for 15 years.  She has a doctorate in Nursing, and in Nutrician.
 
She brought up the subject of Vitamin D.  With PC, she said it is important to keep bone strength at its best, especially if your treatments have failed and you are facing advanced cancer.  She thought my current plan via my GP was good advice.  I am still doing the 12 weeks of 50,000 units twice a week, then drop to 2000 units a day for 12 weeks, then get re-tested.
 
Once I am done,  she reccomends 500-600 units a day forever.  She said that the human body can only properly abosorb 500 units a day, and  that the rest of it at that point is simply eliminated in the body.  She is totally opposed to high doses for long term use.
 
She only reccomends taking a good multi vitamin at lunch time, she said was the best time for the body to absorb the calcium in it.
 
She is totally opposed to other supplements for cancer treatments.
 
On diet  (and I expected this), of course, a heart healthy diet is best for all people, cancer patients or not.  And all other things in moderation.
 
She is now the 3rd oncology dietician that has told me this:  that you can not prevent cancer, slow down cancer, or stop cancer with any dietary change.  That cancer cells, while mutated, are still living cells, and what ever you eat feeds the good cells and the cancer cells equally.
 
She said that avoiding all dairy or all red meats is not a healthy way to go, to use them in moderation as part of a heart healthy diet.
 
She strongly said it was pure BS that sugar directly feeds cancer, as most all you eat turns to glucose in the body.
 
She feels that with men in particular, with PC, they want to feel in control or  think they are in control, and tend to go overboard with dietary changes and supplements.
 
Don't shoot the messenger, just passing on today's comments.  In about 2 weeks, as part of the program, I will be sitting in a half day dietary meeting with a group of other new comers, and  then after that, I can have one to one access with their other dieticians on staff.
 
david in sc

F8
Veteran Member


Date Joined Feb 2010
Total Posts : 3986
   Posted 5/5/2011 6:36 PM (GMT -6)   
>>She is now the 3rd oncology dietician that has told me this: that you can not prevent cancer, slow down cancer, or stop cancer with any dietary change. That cancer cells, while mutated, are still living cells, and what ever you eat feeds the good cells and the cancer cells equally.,,<<
 
she's entitled to her beliefs but it doesn't make her right.  did you see the link i posted yesterday?  it doesn't make ornish right either but i tend to side with him.  glad to see you are getting some treatment.  good luck.
 
ed
 
 

age: 56
PSA on 12/09: 6.8
gleason 3+4 = 7
HT, BT and IGRT
received 3rd and last lupron shot 9/14/10
2/8/11 PSA <.1, T= 6 ng/dl

logoslidat
Veteran Member


Date Joined Sep 2009
Total Posts : 6057
   Posted 5/5/2011 7:12 PM (GMT -6)   
David do not get connection between Vit D and bone strength. Did you mean to make a connection or was bone strength statement, in addition to need for vit D for other pca related issues? while I try to eat healthy and do, I agree with thrust of dietary remarks seconded by your team. Especially the sugar thing, cancer cells like water too...........
Diagnosed 8/14/09 psa 8.1 66,now 67
2cores 70%, rest 6-7 < 5%
gleason 3+ 3, up to 3+4 @ the dub
RPP U of Wash, Bruce Dalkin,
pathology 4+3, tertiary5, 2 foci
extensive pni, prostate confined,27 nodes removed -, svi - margins -
99%continent@ cath removal. 1% incont@gaspass,sneeze,cough 18 mos, squirt @ running. psa std test reported on paper as 0.0 as of 12/14/10 ed improving

Purgatory
Elite Member


Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25393
   Posted 5/5/2011 7:16 PM (GMT -6)   
logo, would love to answer the first part of your question, but don't understand it in how you worded it, can you re-phrase it for me. i read it twice.

david
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06, 2/11 1.24, 4/11 3.81
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10

logoslidat
Veteran Member


Date Joined Sep 2009
Total Posts : 6057
   Posted 5/5/2011 7:55 PM (GMT -6)   
There is an implication in your post, in my mind at least, that vitamineD helps with bone health. I did not think there was a connection. I may be wrong, I thought , vit D dealt with lack of sun and helped in that way. Maybe it does help the bones, heck Ill google it right now , standby.. Yep it does help your bones absorb calcium. Sorry about that!! I guess why they supplement orange juice with it and calcium, among other foods
Diagnosed 8/14/09 psa 8.1 66,now 67
2cores 70%, rest 6-7 < 5%
gleason 3+ 3, up to 3+4 @ the dub
RPP U of Wash, Bruce Dalkin,
pathology 4+3, tertiary5, 2 foci
extensive pni, prostate confined,27 nodes removed -, svi - margins -
99%continent@ cath removal. 1% incont@gaspass,sneeze,cough 18 mos, squirt @ running. psa std test reported on paper as 0.0 as of 12/14/10 ed improving

Purgatory
Elite Member


Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25393
   Posted 5/5/2011 8:18 PM (GMT -6)   
I thought so, glad that was cleared up. Because the woman today stressed the importance of bone strength in conjunction with advanced PC in particular.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06, 2/11 1.24, 4/11 3.81
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10

Sancarlos
Regular Member


Date Joined Feb 2010
Total Posts : 242
   Posted 5/5/2011 10:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Purgatory said...


Don't shoot the messenger, just passing on today's comments. In about 2 weeks, as part of the program, I will be sitting in a half day dietary meeting with a group of other new comers, and then after that, I can have one to one access with their other dieticians on staff.



david in sc


David,

I never judge the messenger until I know something about him/her. Just for the record, does this messenger show that she walks the walk as well as she talks the talk? Years ago when I was in my 30s and in great physical shape (ran several marathons and dozens of 10K races) I had this colleague at the university who was in terrible physical condition who would always lecture me about what I needed to do to stay in shape.

So is this person you speak about in good shape physically for her age?

Sancarlos
Age 66, PC diagnosed 7/2009 at age 65
Stage: T2c, Gleason: 9 (4 + 5), 6 of 6 cores positive
Bone, CAT and MIR scans negative

Treatment: brachytherapy (103 palladium), 100 gy, 11/2009 + IMRT on Novalis, 45 gy, 3/2010 + ADT3 (Lupron + Casodex+Avodart)

PSA: 7/2009, At time of diagnosis -- 11.9
10/2009 -- 5.0 ; 12/2009 -- 0.56 ; 5/2010 -- 0.15
8/9/2010 -- 0.06 ; 11/2010 -- 0.013; 3/25/2011-- 0.005

Post Edited (Sancarlos) : 5/5/2011 9:28:35 PM (GMT-6)


logoslidat
Veteran Member


Date Joined Sep 2009
Total Posts : 6057
   Posted 5/5/2011 10:35 PM (GMT -6)   
I think Purgatory is the messenger in this example and the oncologists are the giver of the truths is this instance. the metaphor fits all things being equal. The metephor not the the truth as it is arguable.
Diagnosed 8/14/09 psa 8.1 66,now 67
2cores 70%, rest 6-7 < 5%
gleason 3+ 3, up to 3+4 @ the dub
RPP U of Wash, Bruce Dalkin,
pathology 4+3, tertiary5, 2 foci
extensive pni, prostate confined,27 nodes removed -, svi - margins -
99%continent@ cath removal. 1% incont@gaspass,sneeze,cough 18 mos, squirt @ running. psa std test reported on paper as 0.0 as of 12/14/10 ed improving

Purgatory
Elite Member


Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25393
   Posted 5/5/2011 10:56 PM (GMT -6)   
San Carlos,

Yours is a fair question. She was about 50 or so, not a good judge of age, slim and trim - but not muscalar, and being that she is a 3x cancer survivor (with massive complications), I would say she knows the walk. This is not a generic PT center, like I went to at Easley Baptist, this is Oncology patients only. Also, she does not drink or smoke or consume beverages with caffine, just like myself. (Not being judgemental on these items).

David
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06, 2/11 1.24, 4/11 3.81
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10

F8
Veteran Member


Date Joined Feb 2010
Total Posts : 3986
   Posted 5/6/2011 12:22 AM (GMT -6)   
 >>Also, she does not drink or smoke or consume beverages with caffine, just like myself<<
 
why not....does she think caffeine and nicotene and alcohol have a negative effect on health cool ?
 
ed
 
 
age: 56
PSA on 12/09: 6.8
gleason 3+4 = 7
HT, BT and IGRT
received 3rd and last lupron shot 9/14/10
2/8/11 PSA <.1, T= 6 ng/dl

English Alf
Veteran Member


Date Joined Oct 2009
Total Posts : 2217
   Posted 5/6/2011 3:19 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm with you David on diet, supplements etc.

From the experts I have read and spoken too my understanding is that there is no proven link between taking something to prevent or lessen cancer IE a positive efect. There are however proven links about certain things causing cancer or making it worse IE a negative effect.

What it boils down to is that carcinogens are bad for you and that supplements may be a waste of time and money.

(Nicotine is not of itself the big culprit: smoke contains other substances which are toxic, the nicotine is addictive and that is what makes it hard to stop smoking.)

I was also puzzled by the comment from ed that this oncologist's opinion is based on her "beliefs": this was surely a science-based opinion not a faith-based one. (IE an opinion resulting from the study of evidence over time.)

Vitamin D is required for bone growth. Sunlight helps the body make Vit D, but certain foods can supply it, otherwise a dose of Vit D can help.

Alf
Age dx 48
Apr 09 PSA 8.6
DRE neg
Biop 2/12 pos
Gleason 3+3
Jul 09 DaVinci AVL-NKI Amsterdam
6 Aug 09 Cath out
PostOp Gleason 3+4 Bladder neck & Left SVI -T3b
No perin’l No vasc invasion Clear margins
Dry at night
21 Sep 09 No pads daytime
Nov 09 PSA 0.1
Mar 10 PSA 0.4 sent to RT
13 Apr CT
RT 66Gy ends 11 Jun 10
Tired + weird BMs
Sep 10 PSA <0.1
Jan 11 PSA <0.1
Apr 11 PSA <0.1
Erection OK

Sephie
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jun 2008
Total Posts : 1804
   Posted 5/6/2011 7:05 AM (GMT -6)   
Just chiming in on the comment about Vitamin D and bone health...D helps the bones absorb calcium. My doctor recommends not more than 2,000 units of D daily along with a calcium supplement which also contains vitamin D (as does a multi-vitamin).

My brother-in-law is a big vitamin D user...something like 5,000 units per day. He's a follower of a somewhat famous online doctor who preaches a holistic approach. However, my BIL has had many odd (and somewhat serious) medical problems since starting this regimen and has been in and out of the hospital. While no doctor has told him to curtail the vitamins, I do wonder if (at least in his situation), the megadoses that he's taking are doing more harm than good.

tarhoosier
Regular Member


Date Joined Mar 2010
Total Posts : 495
   Posted 5/6/2011 8:03 AM (GMT -6)   
The whole point of D supplementation is not how much you ingest but how much is metabolized and circulates in the body. This can only be determined by testing. The comments by anyone about how much to take ignores this point. No one treats diabetes by a standard insulin dose, it is always titrated to the patient response. Same with most medications. Thus D supplementation should be addressed by testing.
In addition there is a difference between D3 (cholecalciferol) and D2 (ergocalciferol). The 50k weekly dose may be the latter, a less than effective dose with a less effective compound.
As with ANY treatment, dosing of D should accompany testing and medical supervision. Anything less is a waste of time and money.

Purgatory
Elite Member


Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25393
   Posted 5/6/2011 9:46 AM (GMT -6)   
Ed, actually she does think that for herself personally, and no, not for any moral or religious reasons.

Alf, I can't speak for whatever Ed said, nothing was discussed with this expert based on "faith" based beliefs, it was based on her years of research and study and experience. She has also spent time in research with bone marrow in relationship to children's cancers.

tar - my vitamin d input is 100% being monitor now by 2 doctors, and specified testing periods, and is not being self-done like many here do
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06, 2/11 1.24, 4/11 3.81
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10

F8
Veteran Member


Date Joined Feb 2010
Total Posts : 3986
   Posted 5/6/2011 10:11 AM (GMT -6)   
>>I was also puzzled by the comment from ed that this oncologist's opinion is based on her "beliefs": this was surely a science-based opinion not a faith-based one. (IE an opinion resulting from the study of evidence over time.)<<
 
puzzled you say?  there are scientists on both side of the global warming debate!
 
have you been paying attention to the studies on pomegranate extract? in the end people are going to believe what they want to believe.  i believe just as some "supplements" can hurt your body others can help and i have applied my beliefs to my lifestyle and treatment to the best of my ability.
 
ed


age: 56
PSA on 12/09: 6.8
gleason 3+4 = 7
HT, BT and IGRT
received 3rd and last lupron shot 9/14/10
2/8/11 PSA <.1, T= 6 ng/dl

F8
Veteran Member


Date Joined Feb 2010
Total Posts : 3986
   Posted 5/6/2011 10:13 AM (GMT -6)   
David -- it's like you are more apt to believe the folks who tell you there is no hope.  sorry my friend i just can't roll that way.

ed
age: 56
PSA on 12/09: 6.8
gleason 3+4 = 7
HT, BT and IGRT
received 3rd and last lupron shot 9/14/10
2/8/11 PSA <.1, T= 6 ng/dl

F8
Veteran Member


Date Joined Feb 2010
Total Posts : 3986
   Posted 5/6/2011 10:36 AM (GMT -6)   
ohhh.  i see Alf dinged me on semantics and David ran with it.  you can change belief to opinion if that makes it better for you.  or maybe learned opinion might be better yet, wot cool ?
 
ed
 
 
age: 56
PSA on 12/09: 6.8
gleason 3+4 = 7
HT, BT and IGRT
received 3rd and last lupron shot 9/14/10
2/8/11 PSA <.1, T= 6 ng/dl

Purgatory
Elite Member


Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25393
   Posted 5/6/2011 10:42 AM (GMT -6)   
I wish people wouldnt nit pick over someone's choice of a single word.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06, 2/11 1.24, 4/11 3.81
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10

English Alf
Veteran Member


Date Joined Oct 2009
Total Posts : 2217
   Posted 5/6/2011 11:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Sorry if I was thought to be nit picking, David, but sometimes a single word can be quite important. I was just trying to work out if the discussion was about whether a doc has some evidence that something does/doesn't make a difference, or whether it was just someone believing it didn't make a difference regardless of any evidence for or against.

Yes, I have been following the pom juice studies etc and at present I have concluded that there seems to be conflicting scientific/medical opinion about the benefits, and am thus waiting for further studies.
I have spoken to all my uros rad docs etc about diet and none of them have suggested there will be any benefit to me from any specific food or supplement and that the best thing is to follow a healthy balanced diet to keep all of my body as healthy as possible.

I have a pretty open mind and have changed my mind about a great deal over the years.

This is not the place to discuss global warming, but the issue with GW is not "Is the planet warming up?" but "why is it warmiong up?" as the measurements have been showing for decades that temperatures are rising, the disagreements in the sceintific community are thus about what is causing it and what can be done to stop it. (And, as someone who lives in Holland, I can assure you that sea levels are rising, and that it could be a major problem and that it might be worthwhile trying to do something about it!)

Alf
Age dx 48
Apr 09 PSA 8.6
DRE neg
Biop 2/12 pos
Gleason 3+3
Jul 09 DaVinci AVL-NKI Amsterdam
6 Aug 09 Cath out
PostOp Gleason 3+4 Bladder neck & Left SVI -T3b
No perin’l No vasc invasion Clear margins
Dry at night
21 Sep 09 No pads daytime
Nov 09 PSA 0.1
Mar 10 PSA 0.4 sent to RT
13 Apr CT
RT 66Gy ends 11 Jun 10
Tired + weird BMs
Sep 10 PSA <0.1
Jan 11 PSA <0.1
Apr 11 PSA <0.1
Erection OK

Purgatory
Elite Member


Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25393
   Posted 5/6/2011 1:46 PM (GMT -6)   
Alf, I completely agree with your second paragraph, exactly how I feel, and how every single doctor that has been involved with me on my PC journey from the start.
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06, 2/11 1.24, 4/11 3.81
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10

daveshan
Regular Member


Date Joined Jan 2010
Total Posts : 363
   Posted 5/6/2011 3:47 PM (GMT -6)   
One question, not to be argumentative but doesn't it stand to reason that if some things we ingest can cause/promote cancer isn't it logical that there are things that retard/slow progression? Even I'm a skeptic on supplements preventing cancer but . . . . . . .

10 years ago if someone said the bark of the Yew tree may be helpful???
100 years ago if someone said hey I'll bet that moldy bread might help someone????


Just food for thought.

Dave in Durango CO

English Alf
Veteran Member


Date Joined Oct 2009
Total Posts : 2217
   Posted 5/7/2011 2:37 AM (GMT -6)   
When I said that I was told that a good diet etc would help my general health one part of that is about it helping to improve your immune system.
Applying logic to the question of whether something can help is perhaps a case of using philosopy rather than pharmacology to tackle the problem.
Don't get me wrong. I'd love for a study to show that eating something would cure you me and the rest of us. (Or even that NOT eating something would stop others getting PCa in the future). So I am very much keeping my eye on latest news etc.

Alf

Post Edited (English Alf) : 5/7/2011 1:21:16 PM (GMT-6)


Purgatory
Elite Member


Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25393
   Posted 5/7/2011 9:54 AM (GMT -6)   
No argument there, Alf, good point
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06, 2/11 1.24, 4/11 3.81
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10

bachez
Regular Member


Date Joined Mar 2011
Total Posts : 23
   Posted 5/7/2011 4:52 PM (GMT -6)   
If diet and supplements play no role in preventing and controlling PC, how does one explain the China studies that I have read about?
 
Seems the Chinese have virtually no PC and their diet is supposedly a reason why.
 
bachez

Purgatory
Elite Member


Date Joined Oct 2008
Total Posts : 25393
   Posted 5/7/2011 6:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Read the following link, I thought the Title of the site was weird, but read the information:

http://www.toilet-related-ailments.com/prostate-problems.html

And here is a portion, sorry, still can't seem to make a working link all the time:
------------------------------------------------

Looking at this chart, one can't help but ask:

1) What could be the reason for the very different rates of prostate cancer in the world?

2) Why are men in the Western countries so susceptible to prostate problems?

3) What is the 'secret factor' that had protected Chinese, Indian and Japanese men from prostate problems and cancer?



For decades, many Western researchers have been trying to find the answers. They have not find much success, as reflected in the words they use to describe prostate cancer, eg:


"Little is known about the etiology of prostate cancer, although it is the most commonly diagnosed cancer among men in the United States.

Prostate cancer is more common in black men than it is in white or Asian men. This is probably due to a mixture of inherited genes and environmental factors but we don't really know the full story as yet."


-- National Cancer Institute, US National Institutes of Health



A common explanation given for the low incidence of prostate cancer in non-Westernised countries is a diet low in fat and high in fiber. However, the problem with this theory is that any association between diet and prostate problems and cancer has not been proven.

A recent major study by researchers at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, the National Cancer Institute and seven other centers had dismissed this theory. The researchers reported their findings in the American Society of Clinical Oncology (August 30, 2002):


"A low-fat, high-fiber diet heavy in fruits and vegetables has NO impact on PSA levels in men over a four-year period, and does not affect the incidence of prostate cancer."
New Topic Post Reply Printable Version
41 posts in this thread.
Viewing Page :
 1  2 
Forum Information
Currently it is Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:27 PM (GMT -6)
There are a total of 3,004,722 posts in 329,165 threads.
View Active Threads


Who's Online
This forum has 161748 registered members. Please welcome our newest member, Adil.
296 Guest(s), 13 Registered Member(s) are currently online.  Details
Michelejc, ezhoe, dbrookenz, Mind body spirit, Startech, clocknut, JoHnGaMeR90, Vdang2k, FrackMe, 61Impala, Cyclone-ISU, dbell, RunJerRun