whats the favorite Testosterone drugs
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Testim - 0.0%
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Androgel - 50.0%
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Fortesta - 50.0%
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Testim - 0.0%
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Androgel - 0.0%
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Fortesta - 0.0%
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injections in office - 0.0%

 
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johnml
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   Posted 5/23/2011 5:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I was diagnosed in November 2011. I am a 40 YO male with a Testosterone of 187. My Doctor put me on Testim 50mg tube once a day. After a couple of months, the blood work had my T at the same level (give or take a few pionts). He upped the dosage to 100 mg a day and tested again after a few months and level was unchanged. He switched my Testosterone gel to Fortesta - I love it compared to Testim - The Testim was two tubes that took at least a half a hour to dry and stunk. The Fortesta dries quick, two squirts on the inside of my thighs and dries in a matter of minutes. My Doctor will check in another month to check for improvement.
 
He suggested if this doesnt work, I might have to see a Endocrinologist. When I went to him orininaly, my sex drive was normal, but I noticed ecections were getting more "involved" my wife putting on sexy lingerie. After therapy begun, my sexual desire is there but I have trouble getting and maintaining erections. This sucks! I told my Doc that things were getting worse as far as side affects - I had 90% of them and needed Viagra. He gave Viagra, which helps.
 
I beleive my body doesnt absorbe transdermal medication. Is this possible? I need to get my life back to somewhat normal. I have a beautiful wife who turns me on, but I am a failure if I dont take Viagra in advance.  any advise woulf be appreciated. Thanks -
 
any advise ? please reply
 
how many 40 year olds suffer from this ?
 
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Post Edited (johnml) : 5/23/2011 5:08:25 PM (GMT-6)


Fairwind
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   Posted 5/23/2011 6:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Diagnosed with WHAT in November 2011?? Last time I looked it was May, 2011...

Very few prostate cancer victims are doing "T" therapy...
Age 68.
PSA age 55: 3.5, DRE normal.
age 58: 4.5
61: 5.2
64: 7.5, DRE "Abnormal"
65: 8.5, " normal", biopsy, 12 core, negative...
66 9.0 "normal", 2ed biopsy, negative, BPH, Proscar
67 4.5 DRE "normal"
68 7.0 3rd biopsy positive, 4 out of 12, G-6,7, 9
RALP Sept 3 2010, pos margin, one pos vesicle nodes neg. Post Op PSA 0.9 SRT, HT. 2-15-'11 PSA 0.0

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 5/23/2011 6:38 PM (GMT -6)   
John,
We have a few guys here who suffered from hypogonadism prior to diagnosis with prostate cancer. I had a slight condition with it that was not discovered until after i was treated for PCa. Stay tuned, someone will come by with what they have done.

For me my T levels hover around 250. This is the low end of normal or below normal depending on who you talk to. Because I had an advanced case of prostate cancer we elected to not treat the hypogonadism at this time. We did discuss using AndroGel but again, my oncologist didn't want to introduce a complication.

For others here that did not have advanced PCa, they have in fact used either injections or patches successfully.

Tony
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
Da Vinci Surgery ~ 2/16/2007
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.
Undetectable PSA.

Blog: www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

Postop
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   Posted 5/23/2011 7:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I see that "Low T" commercials are now running on TV, regularly, mixed in with the Viagra, the Cymbalta, and the Lyrica ads. Is this a public service? Would it be a good thing if more men were treated with testosterone?

1. When you take testosterone supplements, it suppresses your own testes, so they stop making it.
2. Many of the symptoms in the commercials may not be due to low testosterone. If you have less vim and vigor, you may be overworked, or depressed.
3. Is testosterone supplementation safe? From wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone):

"Adverse effects of testosterone supplementation include minor side effects such as acne and oily skin, and more significant complications such as increased hematocrit which can require venipuncture in order to treat, exacerbation of sleep apnea and acceleration of pre-existing prostate cancer growth in individuals who have undergone androgen deprivation. Another adverse effect may be significant hair loss and/or thinning of the hair."

and

"2006 article in Official Journal of the American Urological Association - The Journal of Urology pointed out that: Prostate cancer may become clinically apparent within months to a few years after the initiation of testosterone treatment. [...] Physicians prescribing testosterone supplementation and patients receiving it should be cognizant of this risk, and serum PSA testing and digital rectal examination should be performed frequently during treatment."

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 5/23/2011 7:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Postop,
There should be a clear distinction between using testosterone as a performance enhancing drug and as a replacement therapy. My brother suffered from worse hypogonadism that I did. With T levels near 150 he suffered from no sex drive, depression and fatigue. After replacement therapy his T levels were at 450 and all those things were repaired. I have also seen other men with severe low T levels and they will consistently tell you that they can't stand the low T levels.

I myself having been on testosterone ablation can tell you that quality of life increased with my T levels when I stopped the ablation ~ although mildly. Certainly drive returned and that was important to me.

It's true that synthetic testosterone makes your body reduce your natural production but if your body is naturally producing insufficient T levels then replacement is a blessing to the men who do it. You don't need to use the hormone levels necessary (sic) to race in the Tour de France but even low normal serum blood levels will help while not producing the side effects associated with PED's.

it's controversial especially when prostate cancer risks have been identified. But it needs to remain a decision to those who may be making a decision to use synthetics...

Tony
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
Da Vinci Surgery ~ 2/16/2007
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.
Undetectable PSA.

Blog: www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

F8
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   Posted 5/23/2011 7:51 PM (GMT -6)   
two posts and no connection to prostate cancer.  and he's running a poll on what's your favorite testosterone replacement?  is this really appropriate for this forum?
 
ed
age: 56
PSA on 12/09: 6.8
gleason 3+4 = 7
HT, BT and IGRT
received 3rd and last lupron shot 9/14/10
2/8/11 PSA <.1, T= 6 ng/dl

Postop
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Date Joined Feb 2010
Total Posts : 385
   Posted 5/23/2011 8:14 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't disagree, Tony, that there are individuals that need testosterone replacement. I think it's a complicated issue, and that it should be used cautiously in specific individuals that need it. I fear that advertising it on television will encourage less discrimination in its use.

Tony Crispino
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Total Posts : 8128
   Posted 5/23/2011 9:28 PM (GMT -6)   
F8,
My radar is enabled. But I see your point...

Tony
Advanced Prostate Cancer at age 44 (I am 48 now)
pT3b,N0,Mx (original PSA was 19.8) EPE, PM, SVI. Gleason 4+3=7

Treatments:
Da Vinci Surgery ~ 2/16/2007
Adjuvant Radiation Therapy ~ IMRT Completed 8/07
Adjuvant Hormone Therapy ~ 28 months on Casodex and Lupron.
Undetectable PSA.

Blog: www.caringbridge.org/visit/tonycrispino

leeanglo
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Total Posts : 191
   Posted 5/24/2011 1:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Does artificial testosterone fuel cancer growth ? or is pc not able to use it as it does natural T.?????
Are men with advanced pc using this to enhance sexual and physical performance ?? Ive also heard that research as been done to treat pc with testosterone ?????? it all becomes a little confusing.
psa on dx 144, gleason 4+3 7 12 biopsie cores cancerous
T3a N2 M1.
psa after 3 months zoladex 20
T levels 0.5 after 3 months zoladex.
now taking 50mg cosadex daily also.

zufus
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   Posted 5/24/2011 5:35 AM (GMT -6)   
Should I play the 'mole' card?

Postop
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   Posted 5/24/2011 9:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Used to have moles in my front yard. Ugly things.

zufus
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   Posted 5/24/2011 9:17 AM (GMT -6)   
Being a mole....I found this thread interesting and maybe an endorsement...however I probably lack high T levels and feel 'grubby' about all this....
 
Dr. Leibowitz has info on his website about such and he has patients doing such things.

Post Edited (zufus) : 5/24/2011 4:49:17 PM (GMT-6)

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