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zufus
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   Posted 6/10/2011 11:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Hello.............
 
Topic.........
 
Evidence......
 
Conclusions......
 
(now let the arguments begin!!!!!) tongue

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   Posted 6/10/2011 12:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Zufus,
 
Looks to me that you don't know your audience, don't know what you are talking about, have nothing to support your position, and can't make up your mind!
 
devil  
 
What percentage of online postings share these weaknesses?
Hmmm.....
 
smilewinkgrin   smilewinkgrin

zufus
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   Posted 6/10/2011 1:39 PM (GMT -6)   
The trial has just begun, we have to compile the data and review it by our top notch people, then we give the typical summary....very abstract....pip...pip...and all that rot!

Worried Guy
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   Posted 6/10/2011 1:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh please. It's obvious Snake oil! That trial was funded by the maker and he is the cousin of the researcher.
Those darn celebrity docs will do anything to get their mugs on TV.

I'll stick with my daily POM juice baths and Vitamin D hot oil massages. That is real science.

Didn't we read about this in Walsh's book 6 years ago?

Post Edited (Worried Guy) : 6/10/2011 2:33:51 PM (GMT-6)


James C.
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   Posted 6/10/2011 2:35 PM (GMT -6)   
So, Jeff, you didn't mention your POM high colonic enema's, have you given them up? And it Welch's book, you know the grape juice guy,
James C, 64, East TN
Gonna Make Myself A Better Man tinyurl.com/28e8qcg
4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% inv, lf. lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Spar. open RP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., clear except:
Prob. microscopic inv.-left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 4/10-.06, 9/10-.09, 12/10-.09, 2/11-.08, 5/11-.08
Bimix .30

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   Posted 6/10/2011 2:45 PM (GMT -6)   
zufus, i think you made the perfect decision for you, should give you a psa of .0000000001
Age: 58, 56 dx, PSA: 7/07 5.8, 10/08 16.3
3rd Biopsy: 9/08 7 of 7 Positive, 40-90%, Gleason 4+3
open RP: 11/08, on catheters for 101 days
Path Rpt: Gleason 3+4, pT2c, 42g, 20% cancer, 1 pos margin
Incont & ED: None
Post Surgery PSA: 2/09 .05,5/09 .1, 6/09 .11. 8/09 .16
Post SRT PSA: 1/10 .12, 4/8 .04, 8/6 .06, 2/11 1.24, 4/11 3.81
Latest: 6 Corr Surgeries to Bladder Neck, SP Catheter since 10/1/9, SRT 39 Sess/72 gy ended 11/09, 21 Catheters, Ileal Conduit Surgery 9/10

zufus
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   Posted 6/10/2011 2:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Even James is having fun on this, everything in moderation (lol). You feel better already, don't you???

Worriedguy- No it wasn't Walsh's book...it was Dr. Spock's

Andrew- I have already compiled some abstract information from your reply...via my Kreskin like Mensa mindset (lol). You are probably an oil and gas well driller, you are talking about rock formation and strata, therefore to and having done casodex for approx. one year have made the brain synapses make further VEGF (growth factors) to make these contections and become more empowered and Mensa like in your investigative dispositions and expose on that matter.  Which means drill baby drill, the sky is the limit. Oils well that ends well on healingwell, oh well I tried. 
 
Purg-even is jumping in on this...therapeutic no doubt???

Worried Guy
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   Posted 6/10/2011 2:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Ohio,

While your manner is sometimes rather brusque, I do agree with you completely for a change. I, too, get sick and tired of people confusing plagioclase and orthoclase feldspar! Sure, I know they are both 6+ in hardness but with a little study everyone should know plagioglase is the same color as our faces were when we got out first DX: pale white. This was covered at length in Strum's book!

Technology has improved significantly since then. Dual Frequency Phramistats are now capable of 4 digit resolution! We should demand at least 3 digits for every test.
Jeff

James C, Rather than do the recommended full body soak I discovered I can save money by filling my VED with POM juice and attaching it to the usual spot. I find the process infuses the dead member with a perky, almost lifelike color reminding me of days past.

Jeff

Post Edited (Worried Guy) : 6/10/2011 3:00:17 PM (GMT-6)


Sonny3
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   Posted 6/10/2011 3:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Jeff, while I thoroughly agree with the discourse you are having with OS, I feel it only fair to point out that you have strayed off topic from the original point of question posed by zufus.

I think that you will find that this summation addresses it more clearly and to the point. Don't you agree?

The maximum rms value of any individual received signal whose frequency is between 0.5 MHz and 30 MHz shall not exceed –7 dBm (+42 dBmV across 75 ohms) measured at the input to the terminal device. The maximum rms value of any individual signal whose frequency exceeds 54 MHz shall be less than 10 mV across a 75 ohm terminating impedance (+20 dBmV) measured at the input to the terminal device.

Sonny

Casey59
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   Posted 6/10/2011 3:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Sonny, you're a "cable guy!"

Sonny3
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   Posted 6/10/2011 3:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Naw, just a retired "High Tech", Bell Head, communications guru. LOL

At one time actually worked for a little know company that grew up to be WorldComm. Can I pick em or what?

60Michael
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   Posted 6/10/2011 3:55 PM (GMT -6)   
I am in total agreement, and man, can Jeff throw some linguistics around.
Michael

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   Posted 6/10/2011 4:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Sonny,
I'll readily admit I am no Dr Strum, but in my uneducated opinion, the supplied specifications applicable to the HF band (<30Mhz) are a bit too simplistic. To best optimize performance we need a delicate interplay between conducted emissions AND conducted susceptibility. The high pass filter requirement as shown, clearly throws the baby out with the bath water. By excluding those frequencies we are eliminating the potential to meet technically savvy females utilizing the CB frequencies to search for and find receptive males with functional 6 cm or greater resonating monopole antennas.

Furthermore, I would be remiss if I did not comment that I found your repeated use of obscene language a clear violation of HealingWell rules. This is a support site with readership of all ages and sexes. I am sure the moderators would agree the word "terminal" is totally inappropriate for this forum.
We will discuss this matter in detail when you visit here in September.

Jeff

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   Posted 6/10/2011 4:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Sonny3 said...
Naw, just a retired "High Tech", Bell Head, communications guru. LOL

At one time actually worked for a little know company that grew up to be WorldComm. Can I pick em or what?
 
I was into cable telephony about 15 yrs ago... in the early days right after the Telecom Act of '96.  That job took me on 5 trips to Australia where we put in a system for Optus (owned by Cable & Wireless).

Tim G
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   Posted 6/10/2011 4:46 PM (GMT -6)   
The only place I get my scientific studies information is the Journal of Irreproducible Results. Sounds like some of you guys do the same....

www.jir.com

Post Edited (Tim G) : 6/10/2011 8:19:59 PM (GMT-6)


zufus
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   Posted 6/10/2011 5:25 PM (GMT -6)   

Now in this unique Cynical Trial we accept all patients regardless of your past or what drugs you used prior, or stats you came in with.  Even open to moles, medical folks and pharma magnates, we do not discriminate and try to remain totally unbiased and take only low cash bribes in untraceable bills (lol).  Now what could be more open and fair???   I am surprized that arguments have not ensued, perhaps my topic, or my evidencial claims were to broad in scope and the conclusion seemed endless? You all will receive checks in the mail for your participation in this. 

We may pass this test in flying colors, then I have to submit it to FAA to see if it flies.

I suspect it could make it in the Journal of Urology  (no further comments on that)

Post Edited (zufus) : 6/11/2011 10:12:39 AM (GMT-6)


Worried Guy
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   Posted 6/11/2011 4:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Ohio State,
Yep. A rock hound. That should have been as clear as selenite gypsum from Penfield quarry. ;-)

Jeff

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   Posted 6/11/2011 9:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Finally, a clear, concise thread on HW.
 
I think we should put this into the sticky notes and insist that all new folks read this first
 
Mel

James C.
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   Posted 6/12/2011 6:27 AM (GMT -6)   
Ah, you guys got rocks in your heads.
James C, 64, East TN
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4/07: PSA 7.6, 7/07 Biopsy: 3 of 16 PCa, 5% inv, lf. lobe, GS6
9/07: Nerve Spar. open RP, Path: pT2c, 110 gms., clear except:
Prob. microscopic inv.-left apical margin -GS6
3 Years: PSA's .04 each test until 4/10-.06, 9/10-.09, 12/10-.09, 2/11-.08, 5/11-.08
Bimix .30

kbota
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   Posted 6/12/2011 7:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Sonny3 said...
Jeff, while I thoroughly agree with the discourse you are having with OS, I feel it only fair to point out that you have strayed off topic from the original point of question posed by zufus.

I think that you will find that this summation addresses it more clearly and to the point. Don't you agree?

The maximum rms value of any individual received signal whose frequency is between 0.5 MHz and 30 MHz shall not exceed –7 dBm (+42 dBmV across 75 ohms) measured at the input to the terminal device. The maximum rms value of any individual signal whose frequency exceeds 54 MHz shall be less than 10 mV across a 75 ohm terminating impedance (+20 dBmV) measured at the input to the terminal device.

Sonny


Okay, I'll buy all that, but what is the relative signal to noise ratio when the signal is processed through 52 ohm cable instead, and keep in mind that for frequencies between 0000.5 and 30 MHz the formula for a 1/4 wavelength is still 468/freq in MHz. And what is the difference between MHz and mgc?

<snicker>

Worried Guy
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   Posted 6/12/2011 9:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey kbota, (OM)

While it is easy to confuse the small "m' and capital "M", the meanings are totally different. A small "m" worth of Trimix will lead to an evening of pleasure while a capital "M" will have you spending said evening in the emergency room making love to an icepack.

Jeff

kbota
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   Posted 6/12/2011 12:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I just find it refreshing that anyone knows that megahertz and megacycles are indeed one and the same,but didn't the "g" give it away? He He

I grew up being taught Mgc, and to this day I still do not like using megahertz...silly, I know.
Age 57 at Dx
5/09 PSA 2.26
6/10 PSA 3.07 FPSA 18% DRE +
Biopsy, 7 of 18+, >60%, 4+5=9
7/21/2010 - RRP
Nodes & Ves neg
tumor contained, still 4+5=9
pni ext.
9/3/10 - 0.04 99% continent
10/14/10, 0.04, and lupron #1, 99.9% continent
Total ED, implant on 12/15/10
2/11 - 0.04, HT #2
6/11 - 0. , HT #3

Worried Guy
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   Posted 6/12/2011 12:13 PM (GMT -6)   
And you caught the "OM" reference. We have dated ourselves. (As if our sigs didn't already do that.)
73

Hey Zufus. Are we sufficiently off track?
J
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