Broccoli and Leakage?

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Pocketman
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   Posted 6/18/2011 6:07 PM (GMT -6)   
I have been virtually dry for 2-3 months. Occasional stress leakage, so still wear a light pad. Last two days have been very challenging. The only thing I can think of is I've been eating a lot of fresh broccoli last 2-3 days. My wife makes a great salad and I've been taking advantage of it.

I've read that broccoli has a positive effect on deterring bladder cancer, so perhaps it is an irritant? Has anyone else experienced what I suspect is bladder irritation from fresh broccoli?
Age 61, Diagnosed July 2010
PSA 04/09 - 2.5; 05/10 - 3.7; 07/10 - 4.7
DRE and Ultrasound - Negative
Size at biopsy - 32 grams
T1C, 3+3=6, 1 core of 12 60% positive
da Vinci nerve sparing RP 10/29/10
Post op biopsy indicated bilateral Gleason 6 tumors
Continence < 1 Pad
Minor ED - 90% naturally, 98% with Cialis
6 month PSA - < 0.0

geezer99
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   Posted 6/18/2011 8:52 PM (GMT -6)   
I eat a lot of broccoli both cooked and raw and have never had a suggestion that it increased leakage. This is not to say that you are wrong but perhaps you should expand your analysis before reaching a conclusion.

On the other hand, I have no doubt that beer promotes leakage, but that hasn't stopped me -- just made me more selective of where and how much.
Age at diagnosis 66, PSA 5.5
Biopsy 12/08 12 cores, 8 positive
Gleason 3+4=7
CAT scan, Bone scan 1/09 both negative.

Robotic surgery 03/03/09 Catheter Out 03/08/09
Pathology: Lymph nodes & Seminal vesicles negative
Margins positive, Capsular penetration extensive Gleason 4+3=7
6 weeks: 1 pad/day, 1 pad/night -- mostly dry at night.
10 weeks: no pad at night -- slight leakage day/1 pad.
3 mo. PSA 0.0 - now light pads
6 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day
9 mo. PSA 0.00 -- 1 light pad/day ED remains
12 mo. PSA 0.00 -- still one light pad and ED
16 mo PSA 0.00 -- light pad just for security, ED still an issue

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   Posted 6/18/2011 9:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Broccoli is almost as low as asparagus on my list of vegetables, so I can't say what effect it has (haven't eaten any since surgery, nor in the 40 years preceeding surgery).
 
But I can say that adding something "new" to your diet can impact incontinence, at least in my experience ( 20 months on pads ).
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Pocketman
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   Posted 6/18/2011 10:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I haven't yet indicted broccoli, but suspect the vegetable mainly because of the mass quantities I've eaten past couple of days. Caffeine has some adverse effect but not so much alcohol. I'm pretty sure cranberries, which I really like, causes some problems. High acid fruit drinks are not good for me either. 142 might be on to something. While broccoli isn't really new, raw and the quantity is.
Age 61, Diagnosed July 2010
PSA 04/09 - 2.5; 05/10 - 3.7; 07/10 - 4.7
DRE and Ultrasound - Negative
Size at biopsy - 32 grams
T1C, 3+3=6, 1 core of 12 60% positive
da Vinci nerve sparing RP 10/29/10
Post op biopsy indicated bilateral Gleason 6 tumors
Continence < 1 Pad
Minor ED - 90% naturally, 98% with Cialis
6 month PSA - < 0.0

English Alf
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   Posted 6/19/2011 5:24 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm a brocolli eater, but in moderation and never raw.
What I've noticed with increasing the amount of vegetables and fruit in my diet, or even changing diet in a relatively simple way, to try and be healthier is that this can increase the amount of gas in me. The gas in my rectum/colon area seems to be able press on my bladder and disrupt its normal behaviour in a way that it did not when the prostate was in the way.
This "gas effect" that results in small dribbles or leaks was especially noticeable in the months after SRT when my bowels were very badly behaved, (during SRT they put patients on a diet to try and reduce gas, but it was not a very healthy diet.)
Beer can disrupt things because of the alcohol, the gas and the acidifying effect it can have on urine. Still, here in Holland, I can have fun trying out all kinds of local brands, and some from nearby Belgium and Germany to see which one has the least negative effects. (Belgium is only aboutm 90 minutes away and Germany about 2 hours.)

Alf

Steve n Dallas
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   Posted 6/19/2011 6:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Food for thought - pun intended - STOP eating it and see what happens :-)

Grinnell86
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   Posted 6/19/2011 8:22 AM (GMT -6)   
It's summer. Have you started drinking iced tea? That is a bladder irritant. Broccoli shouldn't do it. Does that salad have bacon and raisins in it? My wife makes a salad like that. I eat everything but the raisins. Yum and yuck!

Paul
Age 47
PSA 10/09=4.60
Biopsy 12/09
Left side benign
Rt side 3of 4 cores positive, 70%
Initial Gleason 3+4
DaVinci surgery 2/16/10
Catheter removed 2/27/10
Gleason 4+3
Tumor quantitation=10%
Pos margins right side
Staging T2C PNX PMX
Post surgery PSA 5/10 <.05, 8/10 .12, 9/10 .12, 12/10 .16, 1/11 .15,
02/11 .17
03//11 .19
Started SRT 4/28/11

rcroller
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   Posted 6/19/2011 8:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Agree with Alf, I'm a big broccoli eater and it does generate some gas, especially if it is raw and if you are not used to eating it. I usually cook mine in olive oil but notice a difference in gassiness when eating it raw. The gas issue had leakage implications for me very early on after cath removal but seems to have resolved itself. Now I can fart without wetting myself. :)
Age 53- PSA 2/11 3.5
4/21/11 BX Path Report: 3 of 12 Left PCa , 3+3, 3+4, 4+4
4/29/11 Received PCa DX, G-8
5/18/11 open RP Performed, Right nerve bundle spared
5/24/11 Post Op Path Report: G-7(4+3) 7%, pT3a N0MX, EPE, +PNI, + Left margin, -SVI
6/1/11 Cath removed, Incontinence-No, ED-Yes.
6/16/2011 First Post-Op PSA: <0.1

Pocketman
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   Posted 6/19/2011 10:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Grinnell86 said...
... Broccoli shouldn't do it. Does that salad have bacon and raisins in it? My wife makes a salad like that. I eat everything but the raisins. Yum and yuck!

Aha! Normally the recipe calls for raisins, but we like to use craisins (dried cranberries.) Didn't eat any yesterday or today and things are much better. I feel a bit foolish now that I realize the salad has cranberries, which are known to irritate my bladder.

My objective with the post was to identify a bladder irritant, I think we've done that. Thanks for the comments guys.
Age 61, Diagnosed July 2010
PSA 04/09 - 2.5; 05/10 - 3.7; 07/10 - 4.7
DRE and Ultrasound - Negative
Size at biopsy - 32 grams
T1C, 3+3=6, 1 core of 12 60% positive
da Vinci nerve sparing RP 10/29/10
Post op biopsy indicated bilateral Gleason 6 tumors
Continence < 1 Pad
Minor ED - 90% naturally, 98% with Cialis
6 month PSA - < 0.0
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