Why do “we” eat so much fatty red meat?

Red meat, like everthing else, can be bad for us. The benefits of a 3oz. serving of daisy the cow provides 10 different nutreints and about 160 calories. Heme in red meat is easily digested. The zinc, iron and B12 help protect the immune system and provide important needs for pregnant women and developing baby. Red meat has it's place on the plate IMHO

The one observation I've noticed with the huge push (which began in the 70's) to eliminate red meat from our heart healthy diets is the seemingly massive increase in dementia folks out there. This leads me to the conclusion that while red meat may not be as heart healthy as fish and chicken, my brain, nerve conduction and muscles appreciate a portion a time or two each week Not to mention, when Paul is real grouchy, a grilled steak is just what he needs. Works everytime.

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was looking at this. Go to min 5 of the video where they discuss diet/fatty food and cancer www.envirovideo.com/video/ECU511.html

fair enough. But she's no slouch by the way. They're even making a movie of her story and how the environment can play a role in our cancer. I don't think this is a controversial or too hotly debated topic.

I'm not following her dietary advice either out of choice, but it doesn't mean she isn't touching on some stuff we may want to at least hear.

www.filmlinc.com/films/on-sale/living-downstream

Casey, mine was genetic. I was actually told yesterday. You do not know that a very small portion of PCa is hereditary and cannot make that claim.

I certainly agree that environment and lifestyle choices play a role. That's why i posted the link. But, like what appears to be the vast majority of educated men here, I do not choose to live my life in such a rigid fashion. This in itself is a lifestyle choice most of us seem to make. So you shouldn't be astonished or, in the attempt to have socially acceptable discussion, come across in such a patronizing e pedantic manner.

I have many great friends and relatives who are just as passionate as you are about causes such as this (and others). I see it far too often that their passion and genuine concern sometimes crosses the line into militant and didactic discourse. Remember, nobody is here to listen to a lecture.

I know you mean well. I just think you could be more effective if you actually listened to the other side and appreciated their educated choices and desires.

Peter (my fellow Caryite), I’m just the messenger, helping to get the good news out.   And let me say that if you or anyone else are solid an unwavering in your choices to eat lots of fatty red meat…so be it.   I know from the positive reinforcement I’ve received that there are lots of others who are “hungry” (pun intended) for good information to “stack the odds in their favor.”   Feel free to opt-out…   A fair amount of research has taken place about hereditary PC (again, not “my” work).   Another HW member (SHU93) posted a link to THIS article by Dr Kathleen Cooney.   In a reply to SHU93’s post, I added a link to another article Dr Cooney published in the AUA News , which summarizes a “state of the art” lecture she delivered to the 2011 annual meeting of the American Urological Association.   Here’s the LINK to the AUA News article written by Dr Cooney but I’ll give you the Cliffs Notes version in the bullets below:    ·          In truly hereditary forms of prostate cancer, which may account for up to 5 percent of all cases of prostate cancer, there is a clear and strong set of genetic signals over several generations.   [Researchers typically characterize this risk as “rare,” SUH93’s article specifically calls it “a small fraction,” but this is the type of PC gene that was characterized in that article.] ·          Familial forms of prostate cancer, which seem to account for about 15 percent of all prostate cancers, the evidence of a genetic component is less clear and may not be as strong from generation to generation. ·          “As with other common malignancies, the majority of prostate cancers are sporadic , occurring in men with no family history.”   (I thought that this sentence would be easiest just to quote (copy/paste) directly from Dr Cooney's article in the AUA New   Sporadic cancers are an environmental disease.   Cancer researchers use the term “environmental” broadly to mean anything that is NOT genetic.   (For hopefully unnecessary additional clarity, “environmental” is not merely pollution-caused, as in “Environmental Protection Agency.”)   It is nearly impossible to prove what caused a cancer in any individual because most cancers have multiple contributing causes, and every body reacts slightly differently to their environment.   It makes no sense to blame your PC on yourself for eating way too much red meat, for example, because while red meat is an increased cancer risk factor (it “fuels” cancer growth), there likely are other contributing ("fueling") factors…the net impact of which are impossible to isolate.   Keep in mind that there is also a strong socionomic component which drives the environmental risk factors – if your family regularly serves each other a lot of the foods that “fuel” cancer and not many of the foods that “fight” cancer (see this LINK), then your offspring will be prone to do the same because it is what they learned at home .   Teach your children well.   "Hope" should not be your sole strategy for helping the next generation prevent PC.   Teach the next generations to exercise frequently and eat better than the SAD (Standard American Diet) if you want to make a difference in their healthy lives.    

genetics of cancer

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A Yooper, from your  "Where are people from?" thread, I found that Peter is from my hometown!  It's all good!

O.K., NOW I get what you meant by a fellow "Caryite!" 

I like your sense of humor, Peter...

Actually, I've gone Yankee...I now live near Chicago (near A Yooper).  I made a trip to the Outer Banks in September and had a wonderful time.  Stayed in Cary one night after arriving at RDU.  Cary has changed so much since I lived there that I get lost...except when I'm near the High School (Go Imps!), which is near where I lived (Pirate's Cove).

added later:   BTW, had my annual dose of eastern NC BBQ when I was in NC...I love it!  Stopped at Wilbur's in Goldsboro on the way to the beach.  Goldsboro used to be on the main route between Raleigh and Emerald Isle, but when they put in I-40 traffic shifted away from there.  Wilbur's still does a good business.

Post Edited (Casey59) : 10/19/2012 2:25:39 PM (GMT-6)

Glad to see that you haven't lost your sense of humor, either, BillyMac.

That Keynan study highlighted the nutritional absence of fresh vegetables, fruits, AND proteins (of which meat can be one source, but there are many others).

Fatty red meat substantially raises the risk of cancer (and heart disease, which kills 10X more men in the US than PC).  Indeed, "teach your children well."

"What's missing in this pile of food? Meat, and without it children are damaged, say scientists"

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2005/feb/22/food.sciencenews

"Meats and Beans: Serve lean proteins every day, such as beef, pork, chicken, fish, beans, tofu, or eggs. When preparing any protein-rich food, opt to serve it steamed, baked or grilled, not fried.

www.epicurious.com/articlesguides/healthy/news/nutritionalguidelinesforkids

Post Edited (davidg) : 10/19/2012 4:23:25 PM (GMT-6)

Historically, the medical community thought red meat was healthy because it’s a good source of protein, iron, zinc, thiamine, riboflavin and vitamin B12. Despite these benefits, red meat consumption is associated with higher rates of some cancers and overall mortality rates. But it might actually be the preparation or processing, not the red meat itself, causing these negative correlations.

Not all red meat is high in saturated fat, and some studies have shown that consumption of lean red meat doesn't cause a significant increase in cholesterol levels. Most studies focus on red meat itself without controlling for fat content, so it’s unclear whether all red meat or just fatty red meat is unhealthy.

Certain types of cancers, including colon, breast, stomach and prostate cancer, are more common in individuals who consume large amounts of red meat. It’s important to remember, however, that cancer studies group together all types of red meat. Bacon, cold cuts, hamburgers, steaks, hot dogs and other beef products vary in fat content and might not harm the body the same way.