Posted 12/28/2012 6:08 AM (GMT -7)
I find this thread very depressing, and not very much related to prostate cancer.

We live like gods in this country.  We sit in 3,000 square foot homes, drive SUV's, squander electricity and precious materials on every gadget science can invent,  and what do we do?  We curse those who provide our electricity.  We curse those who provide our heating fuel and our gasoline.  And we curse those who manufacture the pharmaceuticals that keep us alive.

Everything's a conspiracy.

Sorry, I can't live that way, and I'm not a happy man when I think that way.

Posted 12/28/2012 7:24 AM (GMT -7)
it's related to PCa because there are links between what we are doing to our environment and food sources and cancer.

As far as living like Gods etc that all very subjective and a matter of individual perspectives.

I wouldn't call any of this a conspiracy btw, just negligent.
40 years old - Diagnosed at 40
Robotic Surgery Mount Sinai with Dr. Samadi Jan, 2011
complete urinary control and good erections with and without meds
Prostate was small, 34 grams.
Final Gleason score 7 (3+4)
Less than 5% of slides involved tumor
Tumor measured 5 mm in greatest dimension and was located in the right lobe near the apex.
Tumor was confined to prostate.
The apical, basal, pseudocapsular and soft tissue resection margins were free of tumor.
Seminal vesicles were free of tumor.
Right pelvic node - benign fibroadiopse tissue. no lymph node is identified.
Left pelvic node - one small lymph node, negative for tumor (0/1)

AJCC stage: pT2 NO MX
Posted 12/28/2012 7:43 AM (GMT -7)
I read (audio Version) The China Study which is a very well researched effort and is backed up by MDA own public statement and other research written in Cancer publication about the link to animal by products intake and cancer.

While I was visting MDA, I read an article they had posted about a study conducted in Jordon and as they consume more animal products due to increased income, (many countries are being affected by this as they gain more financial wealth, i.e. China), Cancer, obesity, heart disease, diabetics, etc go up at the same rate.

Cancer and these other illnesses are most common in industrial nations, rare in non industial nations.

The China Study relates that when a family comes to an affluant country, within one generation, the
children assume the host countries rates of cancer and the above illnesses though they came from a country that had hardly any of these illnesses.

It lead me to cut down drastically eatting esp Red Meat, Pork, which I have not had now in four years. I still eat chicken, turkey and sea food, but at a minimum. Much more veggies, fruit and meatless dishes or meat substitutes such as Black Bean burgers at most resturants.

Bladder Cancer in my case probable was caused by me microwaving my mid day lunches and increasing my exposure to the chemicals getting put into my bladder. But Iwant to live a better life style now that I am getting a second chance to do so
Bladder Cancer fall 2008, age 53 (57)
MVAC Chemo fall 2008 to Jan 2009.
RC of Bladder/Prostate Feb 2009
Stage 2 high grade bladder cancer, post RC surgery, Tc2 high grade Prostate cancer, Gleason 7(3+4) detected
Had AMS 800 implanted July 2009 but surgeon nicked uretha and the cuff had to come out. Developed infection and they took it all out. Reimplanted Oct. 12 2010 after fistula/infection fixed
Posted 12/28/2012 7:46 AM (GMT -7)
The mico waving stmt relates to using plastics or styro foam and the chemicals leach into the food and then sit in the bladder when the kidneys cleanse the blood system. Use only glass or paper in the micro wave. I also had prostate cancer post surgery test results.

NEO
Bladder Cancer fall 2008, age 53 (57)
MVAC Chemo fall 2008 to Jan 2009.
RC of Bladder/Prostate Feb 2009
Stage 2 high grade bladder cancer, post RC surgery, Tc2 high grade Prostate cancer, Gleason 7(3+4) detected
Had AMS 800 implanted July 2009 but surgeon nicked uretha and the cuff had to come out. Developed infection and they took it all out. Reimplanted Oct. 12 2010 after fistula/infection fixed
Posted 12/28/2012 8:55 AM (GMT -7)
BTW, There are EM hazards that you may or may not be aware of. My dog came down with cancer in his mouth. After he was diagnosed, I realized it was probably caused by him laying his head against a lamp cord when sleeping, for years. He must have liked the feeling of that.
There are relatively inexpensive Gauss meters available to check the strength of stray magnetic fields, for those who might be concerned about a potential problem.
Diagnosed 9-2010 G6 , PSA 5.0 , @ 62 y/o
Second biopsy 1-2011 G7 , PSA 3.7 ( went off "T")
Cyberknife Treatment 4-2011
PSA 7-2011 0.9
PSA 11-2012 0.7
Posted 12/28/2012 8:55 AM (GMT -7)
FWIW, Jack LaLanne said that cow's milk is for baby cows - period. It appears to me that his philosophy worked well for him.
Posted 12/28/2012 9:02 AM (GMT -7)
Growing up squirrel and grouse hunting the hills and hollows where my grandfather had worked the thinner remnants of the Southeastern Ohio Nelsonville Coal following his return from World War I birthed a love of nature that burns just as brightly 40 years later.

Grandpa spent a month in the hospital in France in 1918, worked 40 years in the mines, a lot of it under 4’, was in 7 accidents and had somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 broken bones and 3 missing fingers. He chewed Mail Pouch smoked stogies ate half of a pie every Sunday weighed maybe 150 soaking wet and lived to 84 years old. When the rural water supply came, he wouldn’t drink the water. There was an old well dug about 15’ deep down the lane with a hand pump. He had an old yellow rust stained plastic bucket and a red metal glass he used as a scoop. The bacteria and iron content of that water would scare you to death. Couldn’t go to the bathroom under the same roof where you cooked food, so at the end of the walk at the side of the hill was his outhouse. He died of prostate cancer in 1976. Probably would have lived into his 90s but for that.

My proclivity was toward math and science. I wanted a job where I could use that ability and be outside, since I loved the woods and the hill. Fortunately, there was a school 60 miles from home that offered a BS in Petroleum Engineering. Never knew there was a job where someone would pay you to think- loved it so much went on to Stanford for an MS PE. Took every 280 and higher level course they had, completed the degree in 10 months, got one B (missed the method of characteristics final exam question in ME280B).
I have solved the Diffusivity Equation analytically and numerically , written a fully implicit reservoir simulator that solves the Jacobian of a penta-diagonal Matrix. Invested over $200 MM in the oil and gas business, was there when the first analytical solutions to the flow equations for horizontal wells with multi-stage fractures were being developed in the early 80s.

I understand Rock Mechanics and concepts such as Young’s Modulus and Poisson’s ration which govern the initiation and propagation of hydraulic fractures in in-situ rock layers. The science is 60 years old. If I gave you a billion dollars to propagate a frac from say 2,000’ underground to a fresh water source near the surface you couldn’t do it. Most of the gas drilling is 5,000’ or deeper.

Nobody has to trust me --cause hey I am in the oil business. Everyone wants more scientists and engineers in the US… we have delivered the hope of energy independence and great economic opportunity to a nation who would rather listen to Matt Damon and that dude from The Office.

Clocknut rules.
Posted 12/28/2012 9:15 AM (GMT -7)

Somebody said...

We live like gods in this country. We sit in 3,000 square foot homes, drive SUV's, squander electricity and precious materials on every gadget science can invent, and what do we do? We curse those who provide our electricity. We curse those who provide our heating fuel and our gasoline. And we curse those who manufacture the pharmaceuticals that keep us alive.

Clocknut, although many like to talk of "conspiracies", I think it is more simple than some elaborate movie thriller plot, simple forces of a capitalist market. In Germany, the river Rhine was the most polluted river in Europe in the 60s and 70s, now people catch fish from it again. The Western countries have learned the hard way, and are trying to lead by example countries like China, India, and many in Eastern Europe where an average man thinks only how to get out of poverty, and does not care much about the environment, or global warming, etc. Germany will also shut down all of its nuclear power plants by 2022, and still have electricity to export (!). What I am trying to say, while I understand your sentiment, is that the developed countries do have experience, expertise and (ought to have) higher awareness of sustainable development, and not repeat the same mistakes. The times when we took and took from Mother Earth without care or respect, are so passé, we should really know better. But sometimes I do wonder whether we learned anything at all.
Posted 12/28/2012 9:15 AM (GMT -7)
actually, I listen to scientists and experts on how what we do to/in the environment can affect my health and that of my children. I certainly don't listen to Matt Damon or any Halliburton spokesman, that's for sure.
40 years old - Diagnosed at 40
Robotic Surgery Mount Sinai with Dr. Samadi Jan, 2011
complete urinary control and good erections with and without meds
Prostate was small, 34 grams.
Final Gleason score 7 (3+4)
Less than 5% of slides involved tumor
Tumor measured 5 mm in greatest dimension and was located in the right lobe near the apex.
Tumor was confined to prostate.
The apical, basal, pseudocapsular and soft tissue resection margins were free of tumor.
Seminal vesicles were free of tumor.
Right pelvic node - benign fibroadiopse tissue. no lymph node is identified.
Left pelvic node - one small lymph node, negative for tumor (0/1)

AJCC stage: pT2 NO MX