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Purgatory
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Posted 3/20/2013 5:52 PM (GMT -8)
Been a frustrating time of late, seems to be taking forever to get any new answers to any of my issues.

Did get my oncologist to move up my appointment by 3 weeks, I see him next Wednesday.  As usual, I will e-mail him my current list of questions and concerns a couple of days in advance.  It saves us both some time during the visit.

He may or may not want to do another PSA test.  Doesn't matter to me one way or the other at this point.  I take the same position as Sonny at this juncture in my journey.  A little curious of how much it has jumped from the previous reading of 40.x, but regardless, isn't going to change anything.

Pain is still my worse enemy.  Who knows what's really going on with the PC at this point, but it isn't what is directly causing even more increasing areas and levels of pain.  It was brought to my attention to investigate CRPS.  I had never heard of it before, it stands for Complex Regional Pain Syndrome.  Many of the symptoms are exactly what I have been dealing with for nearly 3 years now.  It would explain why more and more areas of my body are wracked with pain around the clock, and why its never getting any better.  It's not easy  to diagnose, and it can even be harder to treat.  Worth talking to my doctor about it.  He's under the impression that it is severe nerve damage caused by the ill-fated SRT, but even he is puzzled that it continues to worsen and spread over time.

Had a really bad spell this past Saturday.  My wife and I did some local shopping, nothing unusual there. After walking through 3 major stores, I drifted into some of the worse pain ever.  Everything hurt from the waist down, including both hips, both legs down to and including my ankles, and all of my back from about 3" below my shoulder blades.  We had to abort the trip and come home.  By the time I got in the house, was so severely fatigued, that I could barely walk or even lift my arms.  It was  time for some pain meds, so I took them, and literally spent the rest of the day in bed.  Even lying down, the pain was intense.  And earlier that morning, I had put on a new Fentanyl patch as scheduled.

The combined meds did nothing for that pain episode, and I took 3 Advils to boot, to try to help.  Hardly slept Saturday night, perhaps 2-3 hours of broken sleep.  Woke up Sunday with most of the extra pain gone, and Sunday was what I call a "regular" pain day.  This type of pain is hard to describe, its like a combination of hitting a raw nerve, as in a bad tooth ache, but picture it covering that much of your body, and a deep gnawing feeling deep in the bones (or so it seems), the way an ear ache or bad tooth would feel.  It was hard to find any comfortable position to ease it, other then lying in a fetal position on the bed.

It finally got the best of me, and this is a rare thing, but it actually brought me to tears, and I broke down and had a good cry.  Told my wife, in the moment of the worse of it, that I don't understand why I am having to suffer so much.  Takes a lot to get me to tear up for any reason, but that level of hurt for that long a period was just too much.  I can't be strong and brave 100% of the time, its not possible when one is hurting that much.

My doctor is going to have to do something else, change the meds, increase them, etc.  I want to see if I can push him for the PET scan that was scrubbed late last year.  It's always possible that perhaps there are some mets hidden away causing some of the extra pain.

Also, still no final answer on the increasing bladder spasms and pain.  Still getting worse.  For you guys that experienced a handful during the short time you were on a cath post surgery, can't imagine what its been like going through dozens of them a day.  I estimate since my PC journey began, I have had over 5,000 of them, if not more.  And since my bladder isn't even connected anymore, and according to scans, is in a deflated position, it makes no sense that I am having them at all.  I actually timed a bad one the other day, that brought me to my knees literally, it last 4 minutes before it let up.

I am at an impasse with the specialist in Charleston.  The ball is back in his court, and I haven't heard anything in weeks.  He now has had all my CAT and MRI scans to look at for weeks, was suppose to get back to me.  I think they were ticked because I cancelled an appointment with a neurologist also in Charleston.  Can't seem to get them to understand, that  I can't easily make the 225 mile each way trip on the drop of a hat.  If they want me to see a neuro doctor, then set me up with one in my area.  An hour or so in the car is all it takes to make my back flair up in pain, and it  takes 3 1/2 hours of fast driving to get there.  Can't do it alone, and its not easy for my wife as a nurse to keep taking time off, and since I can't go there and come back in a day, it means we have to spend at least a night  there.  I want  to discuss the findings of the specialist with my own doctor before making any further commitment to that process.

That bladder removal surgery, with all my radiation damage, is a high risk and dangerous solution to an already complicated situation.  Especially when the surgeon emphasized that it could make things even worse, or not work at all.  Beginning to think the negatives far exceed the potential good.

Meanwhile, I still have no natural appetite.  I have stopped the rapid weight loss, but that's only because in my current frame of mind, I have resorted back to being a sugar junkie late at night.  Yeah, I know that's not a healthy way to keep on weight, but it works, and hey, chocolate makes me feel better.  My weight is staying pretty steady right now on this plan, not really gaining or losing like I was before.  But still no official answer or solution seems close at hands.

Hoping to get some new answers next week, perhaps a new sense of direction or game plan.  I still feel like I am slowly shutting down, week by week, losing even more energy, and finding it harder to get anything done in my life.  I am thankful when I read of many of you here, that have PC, get treated, and are able to move on with your lives, I only wish I could get some kind of break from this low QOL I am locked into.  Not much to look forward to anymore, other than simply existing.

That's about it, hope at some point to have something more positive to report.  I know that many of you are sick of hearing about this stuff, but trust me, I am sick of living this way.  It's no fun to be awake 19-20 hours a day, and spend most of it in pain.  If I am a bit testy or short sometimes, forgive me, just tell yourself its the pain that is talking.  I wish no one any ill feelings.  I am doing the best I can on these very trying circumstances.

I am still thrilled with every success story I read here, every great PSA report, etc.  PC is a terrible thing in general, but it thrills me when I read of a good report from one of the guys.

David in SC

 

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Jerry L.
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Posted 3/20/2013 6:20 PM (GMT -8)
David,

Hang in there. I hope you find some relief and a plan soon.

I get a F18 pet/ct bone scan like every 6 months...supposed to be a bit more sensitive. More and more hospitals, etc... are offering it. I'm sure you know this, but just wanted to throw that out there.

Take care,
Jerry L
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Purgatory
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Posted 3/20/2013 6:32 PM (GMT -8)
Jerry,

That was the test I was suppose to have last year, but it kept getting pushed back, and then it was scrubbed. I want to see if I can make it happen. The normal bone scans apparently just aren't sensitive enough, unless there is really something obvious.

Thanks,

david
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iSpark
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Posted 3/20/2013 6:36 PM (GMT -8)
David, you're in my thoughts and prayers. I too hope you find relief and get some answers.
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maldugs
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Posted 3/20/2013 6:46 PM (GMT -8)
Hi David, still dropping in to see how you are, having a family crisis here, and spending time supporting my wife and sister-inlaw as sadly my brother in-law has stomach cancer and only has 6 months to live.

Hope all goes well down the track.

Mal.
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Squirm
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Posted 3/20/2013 6:47 PM (GMT -8)
David,
So sorry to hear this.

From what I know about CRPS (it use to be called RSD), if you believe this is something that needs to be looked into, you really need to see a specialist in CRPS. There are different stages and grades of it and different ways it presents itself. It's not something to have your caregiver take lightly....You might be onto something, and from my understanding it's a disease continues to baffle many. Although I think there is some advances in the treatment than just the last ten years, however I believe the more advance treatment takes place overseas.

Push for the PET scan, I don't understand why that hasn't been done yet, give all your issues.

Your friend....
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Passages
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Posted 3/20/2013 6:50 PM (GMT -8)
Definitely in my thoughts. I've been wondering if I missed an update on the Charleston Dr and whether he was going to do the surgery. I do feel frustrated for you, I'd be nuts; but I can't even at any level understand or relate to your pain. As I've said before, you are skilled at describing it and it hurts to read it, but can't really totally get it. I don't know how you make it day to day ..... No, at times hour to hour. Take care and hope you get some answers and hope.
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Purgatory
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Posted 3/20/2013 6:50 PM (GMT -8)
james, thanks

mal, my friend, sorry to hear about your brother in law, that has to be tough to deal with

squirm, you are quite right, this is why I want the crps aspect to at least be looked at, it certainly would explain a lot of what is going on.

david
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bluebird123
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Posted 3/20/2013 7:32 PM (GMT -8)
David,

I have CRPS. Mine was set off by a skin medication - it's a long story. I had to basically diagnose and treat myself. I see a neurologist for it. I take a combination of neurontin (gabapenten) and Savella to heal it and control the symptoms. It has gotten a lot better and healed somewhat. The symptoms for me were burning and hypersensitivity. Once I found the right medication for me, it still took a long time for relief to kick in. It gets a little bit better every month. This has been going on for many years and has been a true nightmare.
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InTheShop
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Posted 3/20/2013 7:35 PM (GMT -8)
David,
You've been in my thoughts and prayers,
Andrew
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Jitters99
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Posted 3/20/2013 8:58 PM (GMT -8)
David,
I feel like I could have written your thread on behalf of my husband 3 weeks ago. Your describing what I see in him. Have you been offered radium223 for the pain? Has made a big difference in his pain. Reduced from 75mg fentanyl every 2 days and break through pain med every 3-4 hours to 25 mg every 3 days and no break through pain med at all. 2nd injection tomorrow. I am opposite of you, I can't leave the office without knowing what PSA is, trying to change that behavior but so far it's not working.
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Purgatory
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Posted 3/20/2013 9:01 PM (GMT -8)
passages, thanks for trying to understand. on my normal pain days, I have about 4-6 hours of useful time a day, still hurting, but the pain meds help mostly. on the bad days, an hour can seem like a day, wished I had the ability to sleep away the time, but sleep is usually so elusive for me, and troubled sleep often brings endless nightmares, unfortunately, my handle "purgatory" has become all too prophetic

bluebird, sorry to hear you are dealing with crps, from what I have researched recently, it is a nightmare to deal with. you have my empathy. it may not be that, but something has to be causing the ever increasing and scope of my pains. I have been on Neurontin in the past, and it did nothing for me, and a couple of the other neuro class drugs. But I am open for suggestions.

Andrew, thanks my friend, I know you already have enough on your plate, not only your own issues, but that with your brother and his PC ongoing. Don't know where you find your strength either. When I was my wife's total caretaker last fall after her back injuries and surgeries, it helped to keep my mind off my own woes. I hope your brother does well in the steps ahead.

david
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Purgatory
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Posted 3/20/2013 9:07 PM (GMT -8)
jitters, tell me more about the radium 223, not familiar with that treatment. how is it administered and how often? if it involves more radiation, not sure my doctor would be real keen on it. he's already concerned about all the radiation I have endured, especially considering how much I have been damaged by it. Sounds like your husband was basically on the same pain meds as me, I do the fentanyl 75 every 48 hour, and take (6) loratab 10/500 per day to get by. as far as my psa goes, I was never one for psa anxiety at any point. since my oncologist is not recommending any other treatment for the PC at this point, knowing what it is currently isn't high on either of our lists.

hope your husband continues to improve.

thanks

david
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Sephie
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Posted 3/21/2013 4:02 AM (GMT -8)
David, from what I know about CRPS, it is entirely possible this is what you are suffering from since it can be triggered by trauma to the nerves (with the SRT being the likely culprit). CRPS generally has 3 stages. Because of the amount of time you have been experiencing these symptoms, it is critical that intervention begin very soon as the damage may already be irreversible.

Here's a link to a website that has some useful information to help you and the oncologist move forward with figuring out whether or not CRPS is a real possibility for your pain:

http://www.rsdhope.org/how-is-crps-diagnosed.html
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reachout
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Posted 3/21/2013 4:18 AM (GMT -8)
David, my thoughts and prayers are with you.
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SpecialLady
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Posted 3/21/2013 4:29 AM (GMT -8)
I have nothing smart to say, but to offer you support and compassion. The most frustrating thing is that there is no end to pain. It is different is someone knows that they have to endure something for a certain amount of time, and then it will be all better. There must be a specialist out there who can help you with this - I agree with Squirm.

Regarding your doctor in Charlston, just a thought to give them a call to remind them - you don“t know if somehow your papers ended up on a wrong pile or similar. Worth checking up on it. Hugs!
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Buddy Blank
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Posted 3/21/2013 4:34 AM (GMT -8)
Purgatory my wife had to wear those patches and found them to be very spotty in terms of pain relief. She went back to pills for pain relief after a few weeks of trying them.
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Purgatory
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Posted 3/21/2013 6:21 AM (GMT -8)
sephie, thanks.

the progressive nature of what is going on is one of the trademark tell tell signs of crps, kind of scary. perhaps my doctor just hasn't connected the dots. it will be a central point of discussion next week when we meet.

still happy about john's 5 year psa number, I don't wish to jinx him, but I am starting to feel him cured, as much as we hate to use that word.

david

from what I have read, it could already be getting into the advanced stages
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Purgatory
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Posted 3/21/2013 6:25 AM (GMT -8)
thanks, reachout

special lady, thanks for your support and understanding, it helps

buddy, the fentanyl patches (synthetic morphine) is suppose to take away the bulk of the pain, at this point, I feel the dose is too low, and the pills are suppose to be for break through pain. that's the plan, except it doesn't work that way in reality. thanks.
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Posted 3/21/2013 6:33 AM (GMT -8)
Oh dear stars. What can I say? No one should have to endure what you are going through. I hope you find something....anything to ease some of your pain.
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Posted 3/21/2013 6:41 AM (GMT -8)
Hi David:

I don't have any suggestions -- just my sincere wishes that you did not have to endure this and that you find some answers.  My thoughts are with you.

Jim

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Purgatory
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Posted 3/21/2013 6:43 AM (GMT -8)
littlemn,

you would think so. I am already on enough mega strong pain meds to choke a horse. on the "good" days, it takes care of 90% of the pain 90% of the time, that's my usual saying. On bad days, not sure twice the doses would cut the pain. Trouble is, having more and more bad days, compared to good days.

I go to PT (physical therapy) every Wednesday. It only lasts 45 minutes. So every Wednesday afternoon and evening, and every Thursday are bad days by default. Usually takes 2 days to get over the PT.

David
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Purgatory
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Posted 3/21/2013 6:48 AM (GMT -8)
Jim, as far and as long as we both go back here at HW, who would have dreamt that I could be in such dire shape as this, almost 5 years later. Even though it's you, and not me, I am glad that one of us has and is doing so well. Kind of evens out things.

You should be well pleased in general, as you see right before your eyes, how widespread "seeds" have become here at HW, the sheer number of new guys doing that treatment. You are no longer the odd man out here, but definitely one of the pioneers on the subject.

Perhaps if I had gone out on a limb at the time, and had chosen seeds, as that was my original choice, all of this damage to my body could have been avoided, and who knows, perhaps I would have been cured of PC, instead of it now being advanced. I will never know.

david
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Posted 3/21/2013 6:51 AM (GMT -8)
David, I think that "connecting the dots" is an apt description with CRPS. From what I've learned, it's a difficult condition to diagnosis unless a doctor is specifically looking for it. There don't appear to be any conclusive tests to diagnose but seems more like a process of elimination.

Thanks also for your kind words about John. I too don't like to use the word "cured" because you just never know. But, according to his uro, every year that goes by puts more and more distance between us and a recurrence and, frankly, I can't get far enough away from that possibility!

Take care of yourself and hopefully you'll hear good things when you meet with your onc in April.
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Posted 3/21/2013 6:56 AM (GMT -8)
Purg - Any chance you could get to Mayo in Rochester, MN -- or would the travel be impossible with the pain you are suffering? Mayo really excels in diagnostics and cross-disciplinary coordination. In any event, I wish you better days...
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