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RCS
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Posted 10/12/2013 4:42 PM (GMT -7)
Has the Federal Government ever prosecuted the use of Medical Marajuana?
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Buddy Blank
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Posted 10/12/2013 4:45 PM (GMT -7)
They've nabbed a few dealers. Users? Yes. I helped put a guy away for 10 months. He was selling and growing without proper credentials.

This was in Cali.
PSAs: 4.76 (May 2012) 4.23 (August 2012) 3.98 (October 2012) 4.9 (February 2013) 2.9 (June 2013)
Biopsy right prostate: Benign tissue
Biopsy left prostate: Prostatic adencarcinoma, Gleason score 7 (4+3), Tumor involves 2 of 10 cores and 5% of total tissue sampled, Positive for perineural invasion
TRUS measured prostate volume 19.36 cc
Stage T1c
66 Pd-103 seeds implanted (March 2013)
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Buddy Blank
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Posted 10/12/2013 4:46 PM (GMT -7)
Again. marijuana has NO PLACE in the treatment of prostate cancer.
PSAs: 4.76 (May 2012) 4.23 (August 2012) 3.98 (October 2012) 4.9 (February 2013) 2.9 (June 2013)
Biopsy right prostate: Benign tissue
Biopsy left prostate: Prostatic adencarcinoma, Gleason score 7 (4+3), Tumor involves 2 of 10 cores and 5% of total tissue sampled, Positive for perineural invasion
TRUS measured prostate volume 19.36 cc
Stage T1c
66 Pd-103 seeds implanted (March 2013)
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RCS
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Posted 10/12/2013 4:52 PM (GMT -7)
That sounds like the Federal Government prosecuted illegal dealers not legal (state legal) MM distributors.
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Buddy Blank
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Posted 10/12/2013 5:03 PM (GMT -7)
RCS well, u got me brother. Seems to me that the dispensaries are, in large part, scams and sometimes fronts for the Mob.
PSAs: 4.76 (May 2012) 4.23 (August 2012) 3.98 (October 2012) 4.9 (February 2013) 2.9 (June 2013)
Biopsy right prostate: Benign tissue
Biopsy left prostate: Prostatic adencarcinoma, Gleason score 7 (4+3), Tumor involves 2 of 10 cores and 5% of total tissue sampled, Positive for perineural invasion
TRUS measured prostate volume 19.36 cc
Stage T1c
66 Pd-103 seeds implanted (March 2013)
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Sephie
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Posted 10/12/2013 5:06 PM (GMT -7)
Buddy, I admire your passion and accept your position on MM. But, and I'm not looking for an argument here, the use of MM is not about making a person who is ill feel good...it's about helping to minimize some of the horrible side effects of their particular illness or medical condition. You mention other legal drugs that could do the same thing as MM...true, there are many, many good narcotics that can help people in pain. And each and every one of those drugs has the potential to be lethal, and each and every one of those drugs are sold and used illegally.

I've found that just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong from a moral perspective. When my father was dying from terminal stomach cancer, he was in the military hospital in Weisbaden, Germany. My dad was experiencing very bad pain from his waist down, and the pain was escalating daily. The nurse, a wonderful lieutenant, took me aside and told me that the only thing that would work for my father would be morphine morphine. But, she wanted me to understand that due to its highly addictive nature, the dosage would have to be increased on a regular basis in order to control the pain, and eventually would reach a level where my father's "desire to breath" would be "inhibited." I refused to watch my father suffer any more than he already had, and he slipped away peacefully and without pain. Sometimes, right trumps legal.
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Buddy Blank
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Posted 10/12/2013 5:17 PM (GMT -7)
Sephie I don't want to argue either.

Illegal drugs kill people. Someone grows it: marijuana, opium, etc. and they sell it. People die obtaining it.

I've been around a little bit in life.

I have had relatives die of cancer Sephie and I'd rather not trade "war stories" to bolster my argument against illegal drugs. I am not trying to be disrespectful and if I come across that way I apologize.

I will not be in favor of illegal drugs. Period. End of story. Too much harm. Too many lives destroyed.
PSAs: 4.76 (May 2012) 4.23 (August 2012) 3.98 (October 2012) 4.9 (February 2013) 2.9 (June 2013)
Biopsy right prostate: Benign tissue
Biopsy left prostate: Prostatic adencarcinoma, Gleason score 7 (4+3), Tumor involves 2 of 10 cores and 5% of total tissue sampled, Positive for perineural invasion
TRUS measured prostate volume 19.36 cc
Stage T1c
66 Pd-103 seeds implanted (March 2013)
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ziggymonster
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Posted 10/12/2013 5:23 PM (GMT -7)
Buddy, really please look at the piece by Sanjay Gupta.... all of it if you don't mind.

 I disagree , MM would indeed be helpful with very advanced Pca and the guys that are doing chemo...., I do agree not so with the less advanced cases.

BTW. nobody is forced to use MM, it is merely an option for some it is a lifesaver for others not so.


Dx 8/2002 PSA 4.7 Gleason 3+4 Age: 55
RP 10/2002 upgraded Gleason4+4,micro mets 1 lymph node, seminal vesicles
rising PSA ...SRT 6/2004 36 IMRT +ADT2
rising PSA 6/2009 ADT3 ,
rising PSA while on ADT3 up to .52 3/2012
Apr 2012 Clinical Trial ARN-509
PSA 9/12 .12 10/2012 <0.05 12/2012 Stage 3a Rectal Cancer
ColoRectal Resection w Colostomy Chemo started, out of trial for ARN509
NOW WHAT
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Buddy Blank
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Posted 10/12/2013 7:04 PM (GMT -7)
Hi Zig,

I watched the original CNN broadcast with Dr. Gupta as it aired. I believe there are dark forces - Satanic ones - behind CNN.

Joking.

I watched it and wasn't swayed. The child in CO was heart-wrenching. This is always done in propaganda though. Pull at the heart.

Some of our PCa brothers might need to mellow out on the subject. Not everyone is "down" with Puff the Magic Dragon.

If there are studies showing benefit to men with PCa using MJ please post them. I haven't seen them. It is not approved by any national cancer organization I am aware of. If it is of such benefit, as some say, why aren't the national cancer orgs lining up to sing its praises? Why hasn't it been approved by the FDA for use?

I believe if was such a boon to those of us who have had, or do have, PCa our doctors would have told us. Not a single doctor I saw ever said to me "Buddy get yourself a dime bag of some good weed and call us in the morning."

What about the risk of cancer from using it? No risk? Risk low? Say a man uses it to increase appetite and then develops another cancer down the road? Has this been studied? Where are those studies?
PSAs: 4.76 (May 2012) 4.23 (August 2012) 3.98 (October 2012) 4.9 (February 2013) 2.9 (June 2013)
Biopsy right prostate: Benign tissue
Biopsy left prostate: Prostatic adencarcinoma, Gleason score 7 (4+3), Tumor involves 2 of 10 cores and 5% of total tissue sampled, Positive for perineural invasion
TRUS measured prostate volume 19.36 cc
Stage T1c
66 Pd-103 seeds implanted (March 2013)
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Casper319
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Posted 10/12/2013 7:06 PM (GMT -7)
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Post Edited (Casper319) : 10/12/2013 8:19:53 PM (GMT-6)

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compiler
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Posted 10/12/2013 7:17 PM (GMT -7)
So, Buddy, you are saying MM does not help with pain and nausea.

That's what many with advanced PC undergoing chemo have to put up with

Mel

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Buddy Blank
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Posted 10/12/2013 7:22 PM (GMT -7)
Casper at SBUX they will soon be offering Sativa Lattes! Viagra? Cialis? Forget about it! WEED!! This is a new use for the miracle plant. I will be changing the "smoke pot, your banana will rot" slogan to something to reflect this new use.

:D
PSAs: 4.76 (May 2012) 4.23 (August 2012) 3.98 (October 2012) 4.9 (February 2013) 2.9 (June 2013)
Biopsy right prostate: Benign tissue
Biopsy left prostate: Prostatic adencarcinoma, Gleason score 7 (4+3), Tumor involves 2 of 10 cores and 5% of total tissue sampled, Positive for perineural invasion
TRUS measured prostate volume 19.36 cc
Stage T1c
66 Pd-103 seeds implanted (March 2013)
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Paralleli
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Posted 10/12/2013 7:27 PM (GMT -7)
[quote=Buddy]Users? Yes. I helped put a guy away for 10 months.

Buddy obviously feels quite strongly about MM, even though it is legal in many states. If you live in a State where MM is not legal, or value your privacy in general, you might think about what Buddy stated above. You may wish to consider what he might know, or learn about you, from your past or future posts. Pity it comes down to that......
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Buddy Blank
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Posted 10/12/2013 7:32 PM (GMT -7)
Paralleli I sent the investigators what I had on the guy. He did time 30 years ago for selling drugs. He was hooked on meth then. Used to guzzle Colt 45 to come down off the speed. I don't think guys like that should be walking around with the rest of us.
PSAs: 4.76 (May 2012) 4.23 (August 2012) 3.98 (October 2012) 4.9 (February 2013) 2.9 (June 2013)
Biopsy right prostate: Benign tissue
Biopsy left prostate: Prostatic adencarcinoma, Gleason score 7 (4+3), Tumor involves 2 of 10 cores and 5% of total tissue sampled, Positive for perineural invasion
TRUS measured prostate volume 19.36 cc
Stage T1c
66 Pd-103 seeds implanted (March 2013)
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Buddy Blank
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Posted 10/12/2013 7:35 PM (GMT -7)
Pain and nausea are dealt with just fine without grass Mel and you know it. You seem to want to "bend my arm" and get me to say "okay, okay roll me up one" but I am not tempted.

Again not a single doctor mentioned to me "Buddy if your cancer advances don't worry we have some High Grade Kush for you."

I wonder why but we all know why: MJ has no place in prostate cancer treatment or the FDA would say so!
PSAs: 4.76 (May 2012) 4.23 (August 2012) 3.98 (October 2012) 4.9 (February 2013) 2.9 (June 2013)
Biopsy right prostate: Benign tissue
Biopsy left prostate: Prostatic adencarcinoma, Gleason score 7 (4+3), Tumor involves 2 of 10 cores and 5% of total tissue sampled, Positive for perineural invasion
TRUS measured prostate volume 19.36 cc
Stage T1c
66 Pd-103 seeds implanted (March 2013)
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Casper319
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Posted 10/12/2013 7:36 PM (GMT -7)
In NYS.....being a user of M and having less than 25 Grams is basically a citation.....similar to a traffic ticket.

That said I blanked out my post because technically it really didn't have anything to do with Medical M. More for. recreational purposes.

And yes Buddy...If you read it, I stand by that 100%....can only say how it was for me.....and many other guys I know.
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Posted 10/12/2013 7:39 PM (GMT -7)
Lots of things I could say. But there is very little in this thread so far that has anything to do with a discussion of the value of using MM in a PCa situation.

The law has been mentioned.
Yes, marijuana is accepted by some states, in clear defiance of Federal law. At present, for whatever reason, the Feds are ignoring enforcement opportunities. Don't you wish it was that easy to decide to not pay taxes?
Are you risking criminal prosecution for use of it at the Federal level? YES. Do you have the RIGHT to ignore the law? NO. Can you choose to be a criminal? YES, many people choose to do illegal things every day.

Please do not admit criminal activity on this forum, lest some Federal prosecutor decide to ask Peter who you are.

Discuss facts about the medical value of MM for a PCa patient, but please belay any accusations and name-calling of other members.
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Casper319
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Posted 10/12/2013 7:41 PM (GMT -7)
heres a little something I found on the net....and since PC has a lot to do with ED and sex....Id say this should be OK

•At lower doses, marijuana may alter how you sense and perceive sexual stimuli in ways that enhance sex. People report that their awareness of touch is heightened, and their perception of time can change. So things "feel" better, and sex seems to go on longer as well.
•For men, marijuana may shift attention away from their usual focus on the penis. In one survey of 800 men, 83 percent found that marijuana enhanced sexual pleasure, but this was unrelated to their erections or ejaculatory control.
•In another study, 75 percent of men said that marijuana increased sexual pleasure and satisfaction, 68 percent reported that it enhanced their orgasm, and 39 percent found that it increased the duration of intercourse.
•Women are even more likely than men to report enhanced sexual desire with marijuana use. In one study, 90 percent of women reported that marijuana increased feelings of sexual pleasure and satisfaction to varying degrees, and 40 percent of women reported that marijuana increased the quality of their orgasm.


and one thing this doesn't mention is the fact THC increases the heart rate which in turn increases the blood flow.
Age:52 Diagnosed: April 2011, Age 50
Original PSA Level 92......Gleason: 9
Treatment: IMRT.... 2 Aug, 2011, 45 sessions
Lupron depot 30MG....3 years (started 13 July)
Now on Eligard every 6 months
PSA: May 2013...381, started Zytiga
Confirmed Bones Mets widespread...current treatment Zytiga/pred
PSA down to 16.9...enrolled in Xofigo treatment...had first infusion 19 Sept
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Buddy Blank
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Posted 10/12/2013 7:42 PM (GMT -7)
Casper yeah I read it. You should have left it but I got rid of all mine from yesterday but now what the hell. Let it ride. I've gotten to know which guys I need to keep track of here thanks to Purgatory kindly pointing out the rule changes. LOL

That is the thing with this kind of "debate": those who partake of the herb will come out swinging to defend it.

Anyway I am glad you're doing okay and the mood was restored. Believe me, I was more scared of no sex with my wife than of the cancer. Crazy.
PSAs: 4.76 (May 2012) 4.23 (August 2012) 3.98 (October 2012) 4.9 (February 2013) 2.9 (June 2013)
Biopsy right prostate: Benign tissue
Biopsy left prostate: Prostatic adencarcinoma, Gleason score 7 (4+3), Tumor involves 2 of 10 cores and 5% of total tissue sampled, Positive for perineural invasion
TRUS measured prostate volume 19.36 cc
Stage T1c
66 Pd-103 seeds implanted (March 2013)
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Casper319
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Posted 10/12/2013 7:45 PM (GMT -7)
I don't use it anymore.....but before I knew I had PC it worked great for my ED....I would have rather known I had a good reason for the ED though...which I found out soon enough. haven't used it in awhile.....and definitely never used it during my 21 years in the army....they do that random test thing...and while I was in...100% testing on no notice. Certainly can be a career breaker, no doubt.
Age:52 Diagnosed: April 2011, Age 50
Original PSA Level 92......Gleason: 9
Treatment: IMRT.... 2 Aug, 2011, 45 sessions
Lupron depot 30MG....3 years (started 13 July)
Now on Eligard every 6 months
PSA: May 2013...381, started Zytiga
Confirmed Bones Mets widespread...current treatment Zytiga/pred
PSA down to 16.9...enrolled in Xofigo treatment...had first infusion 19 Sept
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compiler
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Posted 10/12/2013 8:03 PM (GMT -7)
Buddy:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Pain and nausea are dealt with just fine without grass Mel and you know it. You seem to want to "bend my arm" and get me to say "okay, okay roll me up one" but I am not tempted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Then no need for MM. Thanks for enlightening us. I'll tell all of those with first hand knowledge who claim otherwise that they are ...misguided. Thank you for straightening that out.

Mel

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Casper319
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Posted 10/12/2013 8:04 PM (GMT -7)
Heres some more stuff I found about the use of M and sexual performance.


So what exactly is it about weed that turns people on?

Besides the obvious: it heightens your senses, relaxes you and makes you feel hyper connected, there are also physiological effects.

Along with an increased heart rate, changes in blood flow and respiration, according to William Novak, author of the 1980 tome, High Culture: Marijuana in the Lives of Americans, "Neurochemistry, hormonal systems and brain regions such as the temporal lobe are affected by both marijuana and sexual arousal."

That's because THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), the active ingredient in pot, not only releases dopamine in the brain -- causing the "high" -- it actually replicates the effects of a sexy little naturally occurring neurochemical called anandamide.


Once again I post this as a rebuttal on some who feel M has no place for PC....I believe it does as many men are suffering from sexual performance on this cancer.
Age:52 Diagnosed: April 2011, Age 50
Original PSA Level 92......Gleason: 9
Treatment: IMRT.... 2 Aug, 2011, 45 sessions
Lupron depot 30MG....3 years (started 13 July)
Now on Eligard every 6 months
PSA: May 2013...381, started Zytiga
Confirmed Bones Mets widespread...current treatment Zytiga/pred
PSA down to 16.9...enrolled in Xofigo treatment...had first infusion 19 Sept
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Buddy Blank
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Posted 10/12/2013 8:08 PM (GMT -7)
Mel do you have long term studies on the short term "feel good" stuff again? What's that you say? You can't cite any studies on long term dangers of marijuana use?

Sorry to be a buzz kill. ;)

Take care.
PSAs: 4.76 (May 2012) 4.23 (August 2012) 3.98 (October 2012) 4.9 (February 2013) 2.9 (June 2013)
Biopsy right prostate: Benign tissue
Biopsy left prostate: Prostatic adencarcinoma, Gleason score 7 (4+3), Tumor involves 2 of 10 cores and 5% of total tissue sampled, Positive for perineural invasion
TRUS measured prostate volume 19.36 cc
Stage T1c
66 Pd-103 seeds implanted (March 2013)
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Casper319
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Posted 10/12/2013 8:14 PM (GMT -7)
mels point was who cares about long term studies if your a cancer patient on chemo....The cancer will kill you long before the weed does.
Age:52 Diagnosed: April 2011, Age 50
Original PSA Level 92......Gleason: 9
Treatment: IMRT.... 2 Aug, 2011, 45 sessions
Lupron depot 30MG....3 years (started 13 July)
Now on Eligard every 6 months
PSA: May 2013...381, started Zytiga
Confirmed Bones Mets widespread...current treatment Zytiga/pred
PSA down to 16.9...enrolled in Xofigo treatment...had first infusion 19 Sept
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Posted 10/12/2013 8:15 PM (GMT -7)
And I see that no one reads my posts.
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