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Tom C.
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Posted 10/17/2013 11:43 AM (GMT -8)
I am new to the Group and thank all of you for your participation.

Does anyone know the +/- error range for the Ultrasensitive (<0.008) test machines?

TomC

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HighlanderCFH
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Posted 10/17/2013 1:13 PM (GMT -8)
I'm not very familiar with the range, but perhaps others here can tell you.

On the other hand, many doctors (including Mayo Clinic) do not perform ultrasensitive PSA tests because they can cause terrible anxiety that often turns out to be unfounded. There can always be microfluxuations in these macro numbers -- and this is perfectly normal and means absolutely nothing.

Just the standard PSA test is all that is really needed.

Take care,
Chuck

Resident of Highland, Indiana just outside of Chicago, IL.
July 2011 local PSA lab reading 6.41 (from 4.1 in 2009). Mayo Clinic PSA Sept. 2011 was 5.7.
Local urologist DRE revealed significant BPH, but no lumps.
PCa Dx Aug. 2011 at age of 61.
Biopsy revealed adenocarcinoma in 3 of 20 cores (one 5%, two 20%). T2C.
Gleason score 3+3=6.
CT of abdomen, bone scan both negative.
DaVinci prostatectomy 11/1/11 at Mayo Clinic (Rochester, MN), nerve sparing, age 62.
My surgeon was Dr. Matthew Tollefson, who I highly recommend.
Final pathology shows tumor confined to prostate.
5 lymph nodes, seminal vesicles, extraprostatic soft tissue all negative.
1.0 x 0.6 x 0.6 cm mass involving right posterior inferior,
right posterior apex & left mid posterior prostate.
Right posterior apex margin involved by tumor over a 0.2 cm length, doctor says this is insignificant.
Pathology showed Gleason 3 + 3, pT2c, N0, MX, R1
adenocarcinoma of the prostate.
Prostate 98.3 grams, tumor 2 grams. Prostate size 5.0 x 4.7 x 4.5 cm.
Abdominal drain removed the morning after surgery.
Catheter out in 7 days. No incontinence, occasional minor dripping.
Post-op exams 2/13/12, 9/10/12, 9/9/13 PSA <0.1. PSA tests now annual.
Semi-firm erections now happening 14 months post-op & VERY slowly getting a bit stronger.
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Tom C.
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Posted 10/17/2013 1:37 PM (GMT -8)
Thanks and understood. But my tests are mandated by my doctors particularly because I am post Robotic but at high risk for recurrence. Add that to a naturally high anxiety level.........
One of my earlier tests showed 0.020 then 3 months later it was 0.720. It turned out, after 3 days of bad adrenaline attacks, that the lab made an error. Re-tested twice it was <0.008.

Along with calibration and other mechanical variances, I noticed on some post that hydration can cause a variance as can left over prostate cells on nerves (particularly as they are healing).

Any help on adding to causes of ultrasensitive testing variances may help us anxiety prone members control ourselves (other than Xanax, Zoloft etc.).
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Bohemond
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Posted 10/17/2013 3:15 PM (GMT -8)
Tom,

I've been tested for 11 years now with tests sensitive to two decimal places, but I have no experience with testing to three decimals. But based on the two decimal test used by my medical center, my Uro tells me he doesn't trust any measurement lower than 0.03 to be accurate because he often sees results reported in that range bounce around from test to test.

Also with regard to anomalous test results, when I was going through a long and very slow rise in PSA between my open surgery and my eventual SRT I had one test that jumped from 0.04 to 0.4 in 4 months. That was so extreme that neither I or my Uro believed it. I had an immediate re-test and the result turned out to be 0.1 -- a significant jump, but a whole lot lower than 0.4.

Even after doing this for 11 years I still get anxious waiting for test results to come in -- I think most of us here do. How long has it been since your surgery? It would help other members here to better understand your situation and make appropriate suggestions if you could add some statistics in a signature at the bottom of your messages, as in mine below. You can do this by clicking the "My Profile" link at the top of this page and then selecting the "Edit Profile" tab.

Jim
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BillyMac
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Posted 10/18/2013 12:09 AM (GMT -8)
Tom I believe the variability range (run on the same sample) generally is about 5%-6%. It does vary with the type of equipment and assay used. The PDF below lists the various assays and their respective level of sensitivity (how low they can detect). This explains why some of us get get a <0.01 or <0.04 or <0.008 ----- it depends on the equipment used. For this reason, when you want an ultrasensitive result you should stick with the same lab, using the same equipment and assay. I believe the Immulie 2000, on average, delivered the most accurate result. That was some time back and other assays may be just as accurate now.

www.clinchem.org/content/52/8/1568.full.pdf

Bill
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Tom C.
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Posted 10/18/2013 1:05 PM (GMT -8)
Thanks.
I will add my stats ASAP.
Meanwhile I found that both Medscape.com and Drugs.com have helpful info.
They indicate that certain drugs, substances and medical treatments can skew the Ultra tests.
I hope that the information will help those of us who tend to be too optimistic or too pessimistic regarding 2 or 3 test results.
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Tom C.
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Posted 10/18/2013 1:31 PM (GMT -8)
Stats posted.
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Ed C. (Old67)
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Posted 10/18/2013 3:25 PM (GMT -8)
I've been tested with the ultra sensitive PSA test for over 4 years. The lowest result I got was .004. I also had results of <.008. Because of that variation my ZDr. now reports the result as <.01.
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BillyMac
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Posted 10/19/2013 3:38 PM (GMT -8)
Ed,
At first glance it it looks as if those two tests you mentioned may have been run on different equipment. To get an exact reading of 0.004 on the first test suggests that that particular assay equipment had a lower detection limit of perhaps 0.003 (so an actual reading resulted), while the second test was run on different equipment that could not detect any level below 0.008. In all probability the second PSA was still at the same 0.004 level, but was now simply not detectable ( 0.004 is below the detection limit of 0.008) on the different assay. Anytime a < symbol appears with a reading we can simply substitute a "below the ability of our equipment to pick up". I think that many docs eliminate this by completely disregarding the third decimal place and if there is a "0.00something" result, they will as your doc wisely has done, simply report the test result as "something less than 0.01"
Bill

Post Edited (BillyMac) : 10/19/2013 5:52:39 PM (GMT-6)

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