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Caregivers Corner, Treatments for Advanced Disease, Results, Side Effects, etc. (Part 5)

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myman
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Posted 10/27/2015 10:27 AM (GMT -7)
Cathy, Thanks for getting this thread up and running again. I think losing so many of the guys was a blow to all but we must regroup and continue to help each other out. Your dear husband has been through so much and I truly admire his perseverance in always trying to move forward. I know you are by his side wanting to help him in any way you are able. When I think of the different women here I put myself in their position and so I think the best thing I can wish for you is a peaceful mind and the ability to sleep like a baby! Bless you.
Beth, You and Cathy share appropriate names - both positive and hoping for the best and son't we all need to hear that! Thank you.
So all of us - lets keep this thread going - we need to do this for each other and for ourselves.

Peace to you,
Susan
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Posted 10/27/2015 11:43 PM (GMT -7)
Thank you Susan for bumping this thread! I hope some of the newer caregivers will also check in here and give updates. I agree that we need to continue to post here to give and receive support. I think about the folks I've met here every day. No one other than those in the war zone really understand what life is like living the battle, and this is a safe place to find answers and support.
Beth
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His bride
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Posted 10/28/2015 5:45 AM (GMT -7)
I am relatively new to this site. I read your posts and am awed by your strength, grace, and knowledge. Bill is fairly new to this journey, despite Dx way back in 1999 and bone mets found in 2011. The good news is that it has been very slow growing; the bad news is that it's not curable. Right now, my primary role is research and encouraging more exercise. And, I do agree, mint chocolate chip ice cream straight out if the carton works wonders.
Peace and strength,
Renee
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Posted 10/28/2015 7:30 AM (GMT -7)
Renee- your husband's cancer does seem to be very slow growing. I have had bone mets for over 2 years with no pain. It's just part of life now. Please stay strong and be there when he needs you.

All Caregivers - THANK YOU!
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Moonlitnight
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Posted 10/28/2015 3:49 PM (GMT -7)
Cathy, you and your husband are so very strong and I am amazed by how you and he are coping. I cannot begin to imagine going through all that. My guy is hanging in there, also in a diaper and having extreme difficulty getting up, and up stairs, as he has no muscles in the thighs. This darned cachexia! Aside from this he is doing well, considering his prognosis ran out months ago. We went away for a week and he walked most places slowly without his cane. Our main problem is keeping weight on (or rather, trying to increase it, in the face of the cachexia). He is getting two units of blood every ten days as well. Spirits are up but feeling rotten today due to yet another UTI (he has a permanent catheter). SOC therapies are simply palliative but I am giving him 3BP via PICC daily. I see that the race to bring it to trial is heating up with several cancer hospitals in the act. Wish we could afford to wait that long.

No one bothers to measure PSA these days and I'm not interested as LDH is the only marker for 3BP therapy. I am sure it is horrendous.

I miss Sue a lot and am just about to email her. What an inspiration she was, and still is.

Blessings to all, Moon xox
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Posted 10/29/2015 9:35 AM (GMT -7)
Hi Moon - Glad to see you post here! I send good thoughts to your guy hoping he can gain some weight,
that's a major concern for you, I know.

Welcome Renee - Your man might find that HT is not so very bad and in most cases pretty helpful. Keep us posted how he's dealing with it and you're right - exercise is good but my husband thinks the ice cream is better!

What a strong person you are, Cathy and I'm sure your husband is deeply grateful to have you by his side. please know we'll be here to support you both.

Beth, I appreciate you!

Krissy...??? How u doing? Are you being a good student? And Paul?

To those who haven't been here before we hope you find this thread to be helpful and supportive.

Sue - Believe me you are loved & missed. You are an amazing woman to keep going forward with the fight for better testing for the men of Canada and to make known what your dear Dave suffered due to incompetent care. Sending you much strength and love.

Susan

2005 Husband dx 2005 at 63 yo Gleason 4+3
2006 LRP First post surgery PSA 11.8 Stage IV Start Lupron
2010-2014 Casodex, Provenge, Nilandron, Zytiga, Orchiectomy, Xtandi.
PSA cont rise. Spot on spine & enlarged lymph nodes.
2014 Xgeva & Taxotare
10/31/2014 Last Taxotare due to SE’s PSA was 14.82 now 1.3
2/27/15 PSA 10.48
3/20/15 PSA 13.68 Multiple lesions found in liver
3/27/15 Start Jevtana w prednisone Neulasta 24 hrs after chemo
6/19/15 Stop Jevtana PSA 63.40 CT shows left kidney hydrophenosis caused by tumor pressing on ureter and increased liver lesions
6/19/15 Start Taxotare and carboplatin
6/26/15 Nephrostomy
7/10/15 PSA drops to 9.63 after first cycle of Taxotare and carboplatin
7/31/15 PSA now 2.6 after 3rd cycle
8/21/15 4th cycle PSA 2.4 CT scan next. Great results – Kidney issues resolved, all lymph nodes reduced in size and liver lesions improved
9/11/15 5th cycle PSA 2.1 Nephrostomy removed
10/02/15 Chemo break due to neuropathy in feet to right below knees & up to
first joint in fingers
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Posted 10/29/2015 1:19 PM (GMT -7)
Susan, (myman) your words and things you mention are right on the money. You are such a bright spot here!

Renee, (his bride) welcome this is a great place to come too.

Moon, so happy to see you and thanks for your words as well.

Beth, (celebrate life) may you continue as you have in your support of all.

Life is really difficult at times. I am still finding out ways to cope and when I think things are bad they get worse. Good news I just learned my son and daughter in law are expecting their first child. What a joy life is! Treasure it always.

Thanks and hugs to all.
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Posted 10/29/2015 11:10 PM (GMT -7)
A very warm welcome to Renee, team Chris and Mrs George! I hope you are able to get some anxiety relief by visiting here and seeing that there are more and newer medications that will hopefully give your DH' s pain relief and much longer life.

Team Chris, I was puzzled by your first post and still am as to why your hubby is not continuing with chemo if it's working, and I'm glad you are finally getting some tests to see what's going on. Let us know. There are new RT tx, like xofigo, that can dramatically reduce bone pain, if his scans show mets are still present.

Renee, so good to hear of the slow progression of your man's PCa. Pray for you that it continues that way and the future tx kick it in the rear!

Moon, prayers for you too. Let us know how Sue is doing with her campaign if you get in touch.

Cathy...a grandbaby! Congratulations! Is this your first?
Our granddaughter is one of the truly bright spots in Gary's life. I am so thankful he has had time to watch her grow from baby to sweet girl.

As for my Gary, he continues to be very fatigued by days end, but most days he's up and about and feeling pretty good. We occasionally battle nausea, but by tweaking his diet and trying different combination of meds, we can usually get it under control within a day or so.

Keep posting everyone. We need each other's love and support to keep going...at least I do :)
Beth
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myman
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Posted 10/30/2015 9:43 AM (GMT -7)
Sorry for any confusion caused - hopefully getting this back to the top will make it easier!

Susan
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Posted 10/30/2015 11:15 AM (GMT -7)
Thank you Susan. Really appreciate your interest and support! Hugs,
Beth tongue
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Posted 10/30/2015 1:54 PM (GMT -7)
I hope I am in the right place now. Sorry, I was confused.

Hello,

My husband was diagnosed May 2015. The journey has been a complete roller coaster as all of you know. We just finished chemo today after 6 treatments of Taxotere. His PSA was at 112 when we started the hormone therapy (Firmagon) and the chemo. In July it had dropped to 12. They took blood today and included a PSA with it, so we are anxious to find out the results. They have not run a PSA since July.
He has been having worsening pain in the last month or so and the oncologist wants him to have a PET scan in the next few weeks. He said the chemo and hormone therapy should be making the pain better instead of worse.
Even though I am glad that his chemo is done I felt like we were letting go of our life line when we were walking out of the office. I know he is still on hormone therapy, but I guess I felt "safer" knowing that the chemo was part of our battle.
Every day is different with this unpredictable disease. I am so scared that I am going to make the wrong decision or choice for him. He forgets things really easy lately and I am working hard to be the best advocate I can for him. Has anyone felt this way? Does the fear and anxiety get easier?
Thank you for listening. It is a comfort to be here and talk to people that really do understand what we are going through.
Diagnosed 5/15 PSA level 88.2 Gleason score 9/10 All 6 cores on the left side 5+4 and 1 core on the right 4+5. Other 5 cores on the right were negative.
Stage 4 with extensive lymph node involvement and "innumerable" bone mets
6/15 Started Firmagon and Docetaxel PSA 112
7/15 PSA 12
Finished 6 treatments of Taxotere 10/15
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myman
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Posted 10/30/2015 8:02 PM (GMT -7)
Hi Teamchris, so sorry you are here but I think this thread will be helpful to you & your husband.
I may have missed it but how old is he? This certainly has been a difficult time for you both and I understand what you're saying about trying to learn all you can so good decisions are made for his care. There are quite a few of us here who are in that position so we do understand that pressure and I can say, for myself, at times, it's almost paralyzed me for fear of making a mistake. It's a lot to emotionally absorb but having to educate yourself about all of the ins and outs of cancer is overwhelming! So, you can see, we all go through this in some degree - don't be so hard on yourself. I'm sure some of the ladies will chime in and confirm what I've said.

For now, take a breath and give yourself a break. I'm sure you're doing all you can - we all are. Keep coming back here, you can say whatever you need to. It's ok. We try our best to help and we're only expert in trying to get through.

Susan
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Posted 11/4/2015 11:57 PM (GMT -7)
Bump for "Mouthy" Wants to talk to us about her husband's PCA.
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Moonlitnight
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Posted 11/5/2015 11:28 AM (GMT -7)
This is the type of sh** I put up from from the Canadian medical system and the BCCA in particular: Husband has suspected brain mets as suddenly cannot speak. Palliative guy schedules for a "Head x-ray". I go directly to the radiation oncologist who dealt with the situation when he went cross eyed. She calls hospital (where I took him for an emergency CT instead of the "head X-ray" at a local outfit) and is told that there are no apparent brain mets but large lump in base of skull. So she asks me if I want radiation to his skull base. I emailed back with, "Is the met pressing on a nerve, as his tongue isn't moving." she comes back with "Sorry I don't have time for these chats." EXCUSE ME??? As a taxpayer I fund you, madam! This is my life partner. It takes a shorter while to type "yes" than to write lines like that. So angry!

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Posted 11/5/2015 4:28 PM (GMT -7)
Moonlit,
The inhumanity of what you and Don experience with the medical system is mind-blowing.
I hope you can find some quality care to resolve this paralysis. I didn't even know this was
a possibility.... No wonder you are angry...and I'm angry for both of you, too.
If you want, we have a guest bedroom and a wonderful oncologist/oncology practice...they have radiation
oncologists on staff. Think about it, if you are at the end of your rope. Love and hugs.

Lisa
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Moonlitnight
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Posted 11/5/2015 4:47 PM (GMT -7)
Thanks Lisa. I am still so angry about this that I myself feel paralyzed. How dare she! And she was the one person at the cancer agency who was reasonable to us in the past. These people are stuffed up with their own self-importance. They have no compassion and forget who pays their salary as they flit around in their Porches. I would love to take you up on your offer, and hugs to you for your kindness, but being Canucks, we have no insurance. xx
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Posted 11/5/2015 7:19 PM (GMT -7)
Moon,

That is just inexcusable behavior and bad practice. Is it any wonder you're livid. I am hoping you can find someone to help. Just horrible.

Enjoylife (Cathy)
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Moonlitnight
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Posted 11/5/2015 7:44 PM (GMT -7)
...Update: Palliative care doc called to say he had looked at scan and the rock-hard lump in the back on Don's skull is a lymph node as it isn't showing up on the scan. I said, "Well, I guess they will zap that too" and he said there wasn't much point in his opinion because "It's all over him anyway." I think I am living in the worst nightmare, surrounded by a bunch of insensitive and useless "physicians."

Cathy, thank you. The problem is, I thought these two were pleasant and helpful. I myself have a somewhat gentle but firm disposition. I am polite but I stand up for my guy and his rights and wanting the best treatment. Maybe I should be licking everyone's boots and never daring to ask a question or making a suggestion. I just feel like tearing my hair out at the moment, and crying on someone's shoulder. Going to give my guy a hug as he looks so sad. xx
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Posted 11/6/2015 4:44 AM (GMT -7)
Moon,
I am shocked (after what you & Sue have endured in the past, should I be?) and feeling helpless for you. This horrible disease is what it is but to be treated so unkindly at such a difficult time is disgusting.
We all wish we had a solution and would do whatever we could to help.

Antonia dear, I know this about you - you are strong and will make a decision based on what you know and your love for Don. You will conjure up every good thing in your heart to do your best for him right now.

We are here for you and this is how I see us as a group:

β€œIn the way that we always root for ourselves, in the way that we root for love to always win out over despair, for hope to win out over fear, all of us here are rooting for you."

Susan
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Posted 11/6/2015 5:52 AM (GMT -7)
Antonia my heart is breaking right now for you. I know exactly how you are feeling and this is just not fair!. The medical system is just so unfair in how they are looking at our men with stage 4 diagnosis. It is beyond comprehension that medicine is barbaric to say they won't do things to prolong life. By the attitude they cut us off at every level of care we try to get. It is no wonder we feel so isolated and alone . The only time they want you to have anything is when they force pallitive care down your throat. Please give Don a hug from me and I can't even begin to imagine how he is feeling.
When I personally emailed Susan I told her how strong you have been at getting and using treatments that think out side the box. You have taken on medicine and you have won !! If your battle with Don had been just 5 yesrs ago he never would have had the opportunity to be here with you this long. It is so true we have to advocate and we have had to BEG for care for our men and in our hearts we should never ever regret what we have gotten because of it. We have risen above to ask questions about drugs, treatments and care. We have had to educate ourselves and we have had to step on toes along the way. Just never forget you have done it all for the Love of a good man ...your man and right now if medicine can't or won't do anything to help it is the one thing they can never take away from you and Don. You have done more for Don than any Dr ever could and right now you are the one who can hold him ease his fear and let you love be what surrounds him , You are not giving up or in ! You are strong and you wiill need to draw on this right now . You have my phone # you call me tonight if you need to talk .Sending you Love and what ever strength I can to help you and Don XOXO πŸ’™ πŸ’™ πŸ’™
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Posted 11/7/2015 7:30 AM (GMT -7)
Moon, I absolutely cannot believe that anyone would treat a patient and his family that way. What you have had to put up with is intolerable.
All, thank you for your warm welcome. Bill and I are hoping for a long and very slow progression, though we know it's inevitable. In the meantime we plan on seizing each and every day.
Renee
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Posted 11/7/2015 9:09 AM (GMT -7)
Thank you Renee. I hope for your husband's slow progression as well. No man should have to live through this - at any stage. Two "secretaries" have apologized for the latest callous behaviour from the BC Cancer Agency docs. One said she thought it was completely out of line and apologized twice. This place is a nightmare. The radiation oncologist we meet with (a different one) on the 16th has rave reviews on Rate MDs so I hope he is at least compassionate. Since Day 1, we have had nastiness from the BCAA including the "I assume you have made arrangements for cremation" remark from one doctor to my husband. I just don't have the energy to go to the top with this at the moment and they will all lie to protect each other anyway. Don is not doing well at all. The diarrhea is killing him. He has a good appetite but nothing stays put for more than an hour. I have tried everything: stool padder-outers, anti-motility agents, bile acid sequestrants, enzymes, in large doses and often all at the same time to no avail. This all started during Ra 223 therapy, which was stopped for that reason. Today is another day and we hope for a miracle.
Bless you all and know my heart is with you as well as your husbands. xx
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Posted 11/7/2015 4:22 PM (GMT -7)
Hi all, I am here and being a good student..... I posted a update thread earlier. No time to catch up lately and some annoying (but not serious) health issues.

Thinking of you all!
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Posted 11/8/2015 5:46 AM (GMT -7)
Krissy! So glad to see you here but sounds like you've been through it with everything going on. I know you're tough and juggle a lot at once with your health, Paul and school. Glad to see you're taking care of your appts and tracking down what ails ya! Hope Pauls results are good, too. And YAY for your grades - good job, Missy!
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Posted 11/8/2015 10:20 AM (GMT -7)
hello to all.. i only read here after 2 new pages tears me up.. you all are a powerfully strong group of women ... I hope if I have to go that far my mate finds the same drive as you all... best to all...NEPOL
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