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Moonlitnight
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Posted 11/8/2015 9:29 AM (GMT -8)
Thank you nepol and very best wishes to you.
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Posted 11/8/2015 9:33 AM (GMT -8)
Myman!!! It's one foot in front of the other... That is all I can do, just like everyone else on here. Having autoimmune disease/s (many, like me, tend to add to the list of afflictions as time goes on) is really just one huge annoyance in my life. Don't get one, lol, as they are as much a pain to the docs and so hard to diagnose and treat- not to mention expensive.

Just one day on the HCTZ and I lost 10 lbs in water weight and already feel less bogged down, even look less bloaty. I got some compression socks and have two different ones on to compare them, I just have to remember this if I decide to venture out today! Reality is I will be doing schoolwork as this class is hard with a LOT crammed into 8 weeks. Evidence based nursing.... I will have about a month off for the holidays so all is good.

***I posted this elsewhere but as I mentioned before I was looking into a Ladies GFMPH and I have secured us the place- My godfather's house in Cazadero, CA. It sleeps 14 but I think limiting to 10ish sounds better for a first time unless there is overwhelming response. This is for ALL caregivers past and present. I think that the healing and the friendship, understanding and respite we will enjoy together is going to be important and even if your partner has left our world I want you to know this is for you as well.

There will be no cost for the accommodation, but some may share a room if that is ok. There are 4 bedrooms and a two livingrooms with converting sofas and several other places to sleep in the lower level that has a deck and a hot tub. The place has full amenities and as a vacation home they have it set up for comfort and entertaining. They also rent this out and many weddings are held here. Its very near the ocean and serene. There is a wood sculptor across the road with a tea house/meditation room her built I will see if we can use (and get a tour of his amazing work). It is wine country so a trek to some vineyards would be in order. We can spend time at the house and do much of the cooking but please- nothing elaborate and time consuming as the men do- I want this to be relaxation and rejuvenation. Speaking of- there is a spa nearby too!

So I am looking at dates and this the hard part- as I don't want to interfere with GFMPH in April, but have to avoid the rainy season and hot summer seasons. Suggestions for dates are welcome. One which was tossed out is March 3-6, 2016. I think otherwise it may have to wait until late summer or fall... Ideas are welcome. We need to pin down a date so they reserve it for us.

Also- I created a facebook group Ladies GFMPH for this, but the response is great to have our own ladies group just because. So even if you can't attend but want to be a part of this group please let me know!

Ideas are welcome on any of this!
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Posted 11/8/2015 10:46 AM (GMT -8)
Hey gals,
I am going to suggest a bit later in spring or in the fall. This is El Nino year and supposedly going to be VERY rainy for this part of the world. Last time we had rainy El Nino it lasted through April. Looking forward to it!
Beth
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Posted 11/8/2015 11:19 AM (GMT -8)
The El Niño is causing havoc up here in British Columbia. Flooding (not bad) and my lawn is a mud patch. What state do you live in, Beth?
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Posted 11/8/2015 11:28 AM (GMT -8)
Okay so we have some teachers as well so that makes it hard to get time off... What are the school years everywhere? I know here in GA they start in Aug and finish in May but seems up North they start Sept and go well into June? Maybe an end of June date would work better? It won't be too hot there as they are coastal and its always cooler there. That should take us out of the rainy season (I hope!).

Beth- the other day I was thinking of how good those crabcakes and chowder were!
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Posted 11/8/2015 4:29 PM (GMT -8)
I live in no CA just down the road a few hours from where Krissy is referring to for the get together. I think June would be great if it's not all booked up during that time. Our school is out mid-June, and I'm an educator.
Beth
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Posted 11/8/2015 5:51 PM (GMT -8)
Ah-ha, Beth. I am just up the coast a little - above the 49th. Vancouver.
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Posted 11/8/2015 7:42 PM (GMT -8)
Good Evening Ladies;
Retreat and getting to know one another sounds lovely . Just post on dates when you have a idea. I am doing a couple of trips , one this winter to Florida. Vegas in 2017 when my neice gets married.
I miss Dave so much it hurts !! I try to keep very busy and it helps keep me centered. I think when I look back I can at least feel good that there just wasn't anything that I didn't do to look after him.I threw myself completely 24/7 into caring for him as well as looking after hearth and home . I only wish a million times a day he was still here with me . The song All around the world people are praying for me , rings true as a sympathy card came from Ireland on Fri and a old freind of ours has put in for mass to be said for 10 days for Dave . I will have to put a card book togeather as there are over 80 cards of sympathy that have been received. will put the get well cards and notes that our grand children made for Dave . My grandson Sutton on a bouquet of floweres he got for me the Day Dave died said Nanna I will always be there for you! So many precious words of love ,kindness from family and freinds. Looking at pictures is hard and yet I look at them ever day .It is so true those we love never go away they are with us every day and I would never want Dave to ever not be the best part of me. Those like me who have lost their men to this atrocious disease will know this feeling .I hope with all my heart every one else doing battle is in for many years! As hard as PC is enjoy the the time togeather tell each other how much you love each other , say it with a hug , a kiss, just holding a hand . I know Dave knew just how much in love I was with him and In that I have no regrets either. For sure from the start it is the kind of cancer that affects both of you physically, mentally , and it shattered my world....Take care All battle hard, remember to breathe, look after yourselves , and take some you time 💙 XOXO 💙 💙
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Posted 11/8/2015 9:00 PM (GMT -8)
Sue,
It is so very good to hear from you and to know that you are getting through each day as very difficult as it is. Anyone who has been on this forum and read even one of your posts could just feel the love you had for Dave coming through. I do so hope you get to come meet all of us at a gathering in person. It would be a fabrication to say we don't already know one another nonoThink of you often!
Beth
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Posted 11/8/2015 9:37 PM (GMT -8)
Sue, your words are always so raw and moving. It is as if your heart is speaking, which of course it is. You and Dave will be together forever...a TRUE love story. My card sits here with the magazines still as I can't seem to get it together. Today, I have been trying to help my sweetie off the sofa - it takes half an hour and every muscle in my body. We have cried a lot today. We haven't done this before. He looks so frail and sad and, just three years ago, he was big and strong and we were looking forward to our "retirement" and having fun together. We've been together for 30 years and he is truly the light of my life. Today I feel desperate. Our options are so limited and we have not had one break drugwise or anything else-wise. The drugs were all so destructive. Now I am praying that the radiation fellow won't look at the node and say there is no point in doing anything as the node itself is causing the speech and drainage problems. The palliative doctor is all doom and gloom, and we have a "workup" with him on Tuesday. Sue and all you ladies, it would be lovely to meet up somewhere. Hugs and love xxx
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Posted 11/9/2015 4:44 AM (GMT -8)
Antonia ; I have been exactly in your shoes. Its the frustration that hurts so much .We have been screaming to try to get help and no-one wants to do anything. We were exactly like you Dave was strong and ""LOOKED HEALTHY"and that wasn't even 3 years before he passed. I think these drugs and treatments really hurt their bodies so much. I still think that here in Canada there just isn't proper sequencing of treatments mainly because every thing goes as STANDARD OF CARE words that I hated with a absolute passion! I always felt that they gave Dave fuel to feed the cancer because there were months of no active treatments of any kind.
Yes we do know each other very well. Putting a face to each other would be nice . I think doing that would be so much fun! I am meeting a freind In Florida that I have been facebook freinds with for ages . Her husband is stage 4 and he and Dave shared so many of the same hobbies. We were trying to go to Niagara Falls and meeting up with them there. PC kept getting in the way for each of us Drs appointments, chemo , always something! So it will be nice to meet them in person . I am going to Fort Meyers and then up to Winterpark and I haven't booked my return yet , not sure if I am going to Panama City.
Well I had better close off I still have red tape to deal with . Close to the end of all the hurry up and wait! No one wants to send money you are entitled to very quickly. Have a great day Love and special prayers and thoughts to you all as you do what I can't look after your loving husbands.XOXOXO
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Posted 11/11/2015 10:34 AM (GMT -8)
What the h#ll are you girls doing on page 3?? bumpy roads ...NEPOL
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Posted 11/11/2015 10:38 AM (GMT -8)
Dear All,

Update: Had to move hubby by ambulance to a private home last week to start hospice care. I have mixed emotions, but know this is the best for him. He cannot get out of bed and has hallucinations and anxiety. Most of the time he can hold a conversation and watch tv. If he wasn’t on steroids he would be very weak mentally and worse physically. At least he is receiving the best of care there.

We continue on… hugs to everyone in this journey we call life.

Enjoylife (Cathy)
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Posted 11/11/2015 10:58 AM (GMT -8)
Ah, Cathy, I am so very sorry. If your sweetie will be more comfortable there, and you will not have the added burden of having to try to move him, then this is good. I have the opposite problem in a way. I cannot move Don and two nights ago he slipped in the bathroom and I couldn't get him up. He looks awful. The node at the back of his head - which is huge and as hard and solid as his skull - is blocking his face from draining so I can barely recognize him with the slurred speech. He would never go into any form of care and our daughter would be similarly horrified. So I carry on waiting for the next calamity. I am calling palliative/hospice home care tomorrow to try to sign on so he can at least have a bath and backup. He does sponge baths but I think he should have more than this and he won't allow me to do anything except empty catheters and help with diapers. So fricking sad. Today is sunny so we will go for a drive. He gets upset when I want to drive but I am scared he will pass out or something and we'll both be gone.

Radiation to the skull base and hopefully node will start this Friday. I have a "Big Gun" drug ordered - actually a very expensive chemical with very powerful studies to back it up, so that gets here next week but I fear it will be too late. The doctors can do nothing, so this is a last-ditch effort. The 3BP we tried before is not very good for reaching bone and I don't see any studies to indicate the new one will either, although it has been noted to be especially effective on PCa. Although I hold onto hope in my heart, my soul tells me a different story. I don't believe my soul has ever been wrong.

Cathy, are you able to stay in the hospice home? I know these places are supposed to be wonderful but no way will Don or my family accept that this disease has a plan that has been carefully crafted over millennia. I am selfish at times...working "full time" albeit at home, a sick dog, a house that was in reno but has been left since he was diagnosed. I long just to go for a walk in the sunshine and cry, without the fear he has slipped over while I had gone.

Love and hugs to you all. xoxo Moon
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Posted 11/11/2015 12:06 PM (GMT -8)
Moon,
I can hear the sadness you feel coming through your post. I'm so sorry that you and Don are suffering.
And Cathy and her hubby, too. I, in no way, think it is selfish to long to go on a walk...maybe when you get some backup care to help, you can break away to breathe some fresh air and have a cry to yourself.
I have toured our local hospice and the apartments are set up for the client and a caregiver with a private patio, bathroom etc. They also allow your dogs to move in with you. Frank and I will only use if something comes up that I medically can't handle at home, otherwise, he will stay here with us. With the latest PET scan results, might be sooner than we hoped...

Love and hugs right back to you and all the ladies. Lisa
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Posted 11/11/2015 12:23 PM (GMT -8)
I am filled with both sadness and admiration as you ladies are so strong and caring. Your men are very, very fortunate to have you in their lives.

Moon, I'm sure you know this better than I do but hospice in many places is a service and not a building. My mother-in-law passed many years ago of lymphoma but spent her last weeks in her own home with loving care from the hospice workers who were with her almost constantly.

My prayers are with all of you.

Jim
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Posted 11/11/2015 12:52 PM (GMT -8)
Thank you Jim...yes. Hospice here can either be an in-home service or in a specialized building.

My fears are that they won't do in-home care as Don is on the main level of the house, where there is no bath. I will ask for an assessment I guess, and keep it all crossed.

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Posted 11/11/2015 2:53 PM (GMT -8)
The women here are completely awe-inspiring to a newbie like me. I would be so honored to be able to spend some time with you and will be watching for dates. Can you tell me, if there is too great a response, are there any local hotels or inns available? I would be happy to book in somewhere close by if I would be able to spend some time with you all. My thoughts and prayers for strength and peace are with you and your men - Suzanne
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Posted 11/11/2015 3:03 PM (GMT -8)
Thank you Suzanne. I would imagine we'd all be staying in hotels or inns - hopefully the same one so that we can do naughty girl stuff at night and upset the staff... A warm welcome to you, as a newbie. As the guys say, "It's a place you don't want to be, but welcome anyway." :) xx
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Posted 11/11/2015 6:29 PM (GMT -8)
Thank you for the warm welcome Moon, especially in light of what you and your dear husband are now facing. My husband and I live on Long Island in New York, but we spent 15 years just outside of Toronto - so that makes us almost Canadian cousins. I am fortunate to have two sisters (one my twin) and we are very close, but as many of you know sometimes close family can't or won't hear our worries. Knowing that you are all here makes a world of difference to me. Hoping we will meet in the new year. xo
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Posted 11/11/2015 6:37 PM (GMT -8)
Oh my, I haven't seen this much traffic on here in some time - it's good to see so many chime in. We need each other.

Cathy, my heart goes out to you for being able to make the best decision at such a painful time. You're giving all you can and though it's never the choice we want to make there are times when the situation, not the heart, dictates what will happen. Thinking of you both.

Moon, I'm so sorry to see that your Don is having such a darn difficult time, I'm hoping right along with you, the radiation Friday will give him (and you) relief. Please, go for that walk you absolutely need to. Someone must be able to relieve you for a bit. Wish we lived close, I'd be right over!

Lisa, I hope Frank is able to stay with you for a very long time.

Sue, Your words always help, I hope you realize that. We need your voice here, too.

Beth, Hope your Gary is doing well and yes, it is like we do know each other which is a very good thing.

Kris, Glad to see your studies are going so well! The trip sounds wonderful and though I don't know if I can make it I would love to be there with everyone! We'll see.

Welcome Renee, Suzanne, Nepol - hope I haven't missed anyone - this is a wonderful thread with great posters & glad your a part of it.

Susan

2005 Husband dx 2005 at 63 yo Gleason 4+3
2006 LRP First post surgery PSA 11.8 Stage IV Start Lupron
2010-2014 Casodex, Provenge, Nilandron, Zytiga, Orchiectomy, Xtandi.
PSA cont rise. Spot on spine & enlarged lymph nodes.
2014 Xgeva & Taxotare
10/31/2014 Last Taxotare due to SE’s PSA was 14.82 now 1.3
2/27/15 PSA 10.48
3/20/15 PSA 13.68 Multiple lesions found in liver
3/27/15 Start Jevtana w prednisone Neulasta 24 hrs after chemo
6/19/15 Stop Jevtana PSA 63.40 CT shows left kidney hydrophenosis caused by tumor pressing on ureter and increased liver lesions
6/19/15 Start Taxotare and carboplatin
6/26/15 Nephrostomy
7/10/15 PSA drops to 9.63 after first cycle of Taxotare and carboplatin
7/31/15 PSA now 2.6 after 3rd cycle
8/21/15 4th cycle PSA 2.4 CT scan next. Great results – Kidney issues resolved, all lymph nodes reduced in size and liver lesions improved
9/11/15 5th cycle PSA 2.1 Nephrostomy removed
10/02/15 Chemo break due to neuropathy in feet to right below knees & up to
first joint in fingers
11/13/15 – Where do we go from here?
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Posted 11/11/2015 8:02 PM (GMT -8)
Suzanne. We are indeed "Canadian cousins" and Sue (Saddened Wife) as well. In this context though, we are all sisters, fighting for our guys.

Hugs to all this Remembrance Day.
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Posted 11/12/2015 7:19 AM (GMT -8)
Just on my way out the door but wanted to say hello to all of you . Cathy thoughts are with you your hubby as well as Antonia , Don and all of you facing tough times. You have to do what is right for you as a couple never feel like you haven't made the right choices . Never second guess your selves !! As a caregiver you will do what is right remember no one in family or medical is with you 24/7 .Remember to look after yourselves ! Take a walk even if its for 10 minutes while they sleep .There is just soooo much stress right now for all of us ....remember to BREATHE ....LOVE to All .Hello Suzanne XOXO
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Posted 11/12/2015 7:59 AM (GMT -8)
Thank you Sue. Your voice is very healing, to me anyway, but I'm betting I speak for all of us. xx
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Posted 11/13/2015 7:49 AM (GMT -8)
Just sending out a collective group hug to everyone, I need as much as the rest of you.

My ERCP went off with no complications yesterday I had severe pain after but under control quickly so I didn't have to spend the night thankfully. Took day off so I could rest and be able to continue pain meds and glad I did that, its sore and crampy. They cut my spincter of oddi so hoping that is the end- its 70% effective they say. They placed a stent that should fall out on its own, if not they will fish out another time. Some pain today but doing okay and glad I listened and took day off as kinda weak and the pain meds are helping a lot but make me so groggy and sleepy.

Paul has been struggling with no energy and his BP at times way too low again and he is having symptoms of that. Will be getting Gatorade today for him if we can trek to the store or get grocery delivery which is new here (first attempt didn't go so well but will give it a second try). All in all, we are doing good and wishing we could get out in the gorgeous day but reality is we'll probably be in bed all day.

Hoping everyone has some sunshine in their lives today!
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