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compiler
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Posted 11/19/2015 6:39 PM (GMT -8)
Oh, Moon.

I am so so sorry to read this.

No real suggestions.

Is palliative care the same as hospice?

Mel
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Posted 11/19/2015 6:55 PM (GMT -8)
Antonia, They are not giving you any help? Am I understanding this correctly...no help? No one coming to your home to assist with care? That is incredulous and I'm probably misunderstanding something.

I know it takes some time to get a transfusion but maybe you are able to get Don out of that hospital and back home soon. Getting a transfusion helped Don before - hoping for the same result now.

My heart goes out to you both, you must be beside yourself. I'm looking, searching for something to say that would help you, that would let you know you have others who care and want to help somehow.

With you in spirit,
Susan
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Posted 11/19/2015 10:15 PM (GMT -8)
Thanks Mel, Susan and everyone. He was shipped up to palliative, after his cross-match, purportedly for blood. This was this morning. I just got in and he has STILL NOT HAD ANY. The palliative doctor had "gone home" when I enquired. Also, the home care team person did not call (told on Monday "latest Thursday") so I tried calling them again and the "leader" said, "Oh, didn't anyone call yet?" Unbelievable.

All the kids showed up with wives, husbands and grandkids. Don was joking away because the people in the beds in his room were all snoring in sync. No one came to see him after the nurse made her notes. No one in five hours. I told her that I would be taking him home tomorrow and she said, "Well you have to get the doctor's PERMISSION for that. I said, "Excuse me, but if I want to bring my husband home, I bring him home." He was told he would be looked after and checked for two days. I wonder when that will start. Emerge refused to take him for blood. So he is feeling really weak. I hated leaving him in that awful place but he needs blood. They will probably say he doesn't, that it is disease progression, and just leave it at that. I am glad I cancelled our trip Monday. Tonight I am raging at the world. I know exactly the garbage that Sue went through - and the garbage that led to our husbands' disease progressing as far as it did before Dx.

ETA Mel...no, it isn't but the terms are often used interchangeably. Hospice is when they think you have less than three months. Palliative is sometimes the same but can include people with a longer prognosis and those for whom no cure is seen as being possible, so they just get whatever meds they need for palliative reasons.

Post Edited (Moonlitnight) : 11/19/2015 11:19:57 PM (GMT-7)

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Posted 11/19/2015 10:55 PM (GMT -8)
Antonia,
You are in my thoughts and prayers. You really need some assistance. You will be sick if you keep up this pace!
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Posted 11/20/2015 5:47 AM (GMT -8)
Sleep - I hope you were able to get some, Antonia. Today may be the day pallative does its part or perhaps tomorrow or whenever they see fit. You get my point. You must do what you need to do for Don now. Good to see family rallied round him and he was able to rise to the occasion actually, the fact that he assumed the role many of us do when visitors come no matter who we try to make them feel better by acting better than we feel. (that sounds more complicated than it is)
May your path be smoother this day - a kindness shown would probably go a long way right about now.
Holding you close,
Susan
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Posted 11/20/2015 7:30 AM (GMT -8)
Moon:

Outrageous. You are caught between the proverbial rock and hard place.

Is there some Chief Adminstrator or Ombudsman you can see.

This is awful

Mel
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Posted 11/20/2015 8:04 AM (GMT -8)
I want blood - in two ways.
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Posted 11/20/2015 9:15 AM (GMT -8)
My enter key is not working properly. They are giving him one unit of blood and say Xofigo severely damaged his bone marrow. Like I didn't know this. It was just fine before those shots. I am trying to find someone (again) to help him in from car when I bring him home. Picking up wheelchair but we have steps down from garage and up to house.

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Posted 11/20/2015 10:34 AM (GMT -8)
I'm sure before long you'll have another reason to feel the same way re. the blood.
Crappy that you have to go through this - just terrible!

Ok, sigh...you know me, still hoping for a modicum of kindness to come your way.

Love you,
Susan
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Posted 11/20/2015 6:33 PM (GMT -8)
OMG ,! Antonia I am so very sorry with what you are going through. It sounds so ver much like Dave and I. For some stupid reason and Dave actually asked the oncologist if he has to pay himself for transfusions.? I dont know why it seems as if they with hold transfusions from our guys. The oncologist we had didn't even want to have bloodwork done before Dave died. He actually had bloodwork scheduled for 5 WEEKS,! I knew then there was nothing else they would do to help Dave live longer . I did get bloodwork done at every second week only because I really b itched But why are we having to do drastic measures to try to get help. ...Antonia when you get any kind of time you and I should write a joint letter to the new Canadian Minister of health.
For right now you have a bigger battle to fight. Can you threaten to make your story public to the newspaper. I wished there was just better evetthing happening for you and Don . Just remember you are never alone lots of support and freinds here. XOXO πŸ’™ πŸ’™ πŸ’™
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Posted 11/20/2015 9:28 PM (GMT -8)
Thanks Sue. Did I send the link to the article I wrote for Bettercare magazine? http://healthblog.londondrugs.com/dispelling-the-myths-about-prostate-cancer Here it is on their blog. There is a significant reach. If we can just stop ONE guy from having a misdiagnosis due to the belief, "It's OK as it is still under 4.0" which is what Don's doctor believed.

My guy is out tomorrow. I HATED leaving him but no one to look after the dogs and he was insistent and quite excited about tomorrow despite the fact the nice man in the bed next door passed at 11 am. He was very chipper the night before so I am puzzled by this. He is enjoying the break I think...as weird as this sounds, our house can be batty at times. His kids all live municipalities away, except for our daughter and she has had a killer migraine for two days and cannot drive.

I am happy to make our story public. I just cannot believe this 5-week thing. Our palliative doc redeemed himself by telling me he had "learned (his) lesson" about Don's blood and how it drops suddenly. I guess he will be going in weekly now. We are getting home care next week apparently. I guess I have to hide all the IV stuff.

Thank you ladies for propping me up. Your words of comfort hold me tight when I think I am losing it.

xoxoxox
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Posted 11/21/2015 3:13 PM (GMT -8)
Nothing I can say except that you and Don are in our thoughts and prayers. xo
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Posted 11/21/2015 3:49 PM (GMT -8)
Moonlit,

I assume Don is back home today? having enjoyed his little batty break. My wish is that you got a
chance to take a few deep breaths and center yourself while he was in hospital. I worry that you are
going to take sick from all the stress....and having to educate all the medical people. Crossing my
fingers that the palliative doctor really has learned his "lesson" and follows through with transfusions
for Don.

Just back on the computer after that wicked windstorm that ripped through our area on Tuesday. Lost
power Tuesday afternoon and it was restored today at 5:11 am, I remember because I was so thrilled!
Wednesday morning when I went outside, I could have just lay down in the yard and wept. Terrible
destruction everywhere, power lines down both sides of me, no way to get out as both ways blocked.
Frank can no longer help at all and I was just hopeless. But, later that day, a woman from up the road
arrived at my house and just started working outside with me. We worked all daylight hours Weds,
Thurs, Friday and just hauled the last load away this morning. So, once in a while, an angel appears
just when I needed it the most. She gave me the most generous gift of kindness that I will never forget.

So, Moon, I hope you are gifted with some kindness...it makes all the difference.
Hugs, Lisa
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Posted 11/21/2015 4:18 PM (GMT -8)
Hi Lisa,
Thank you. Poor Frank. How upsetting it is when they cannot help and be the guys that they once were, physically.

Don is on his way home. I drove to the US to pick up a special cushion and his Amigdalina vials so his son picked him up and has taken him to rent a wheelchair, pick up some foam for the sofa, to elevate it a little, and to bring him home. His other son is on his way from somewhere and our daughter is bringing his favourite dinner cooked at her restaurant. He sounds perky.

Canada Customs were angels. The booth lady sent me in to get the Amigdalina checked as she hadn't heard of it and didn't know if it was legal. The guy inside asked a few questions including, "What is it for?" I explained that my husband has cancer and he looked me in the eye and said, "I am so sorry that you are having to go through that." Whereupon I lost it and was instantly surrounded by border guards with boxes of tissues. I am sure the line up thought I was being arrested or something. Another nice man put his arm round me and took me to the car. I had to wait ten minutes before I could drive but all was well in the end and I am very grateful to them for their kindness. When someone is kind to me I tend to lose it so maybe it is a good thing that all those doctors were creeps.

I hope everyone else is doing fine this weekend and send my love to you all xx Mrs George, thank you (hug)

Post Edited (Moonlitnight) : 11/21/2015 8:55:16 PM (GMT-7)

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compiler
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Posted 11/21/2015 4:27 PM (GMT -8)
Rather ironic: doctors being SOBs and border guards being nice

Mel
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Posted 11/21/2015 5:46 PM (GMT -8)
Yes Mel. That is what I said to Don. He is home now and looks terribly frail.
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Posted 11/21/2015 5:56 PM (GMT -8)
Ah, Moon, thinking of you two.
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Posted 11/21/2015 5:58 PM (GMT -8)
Ah, Moon, thinking of you two.
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Posted 11/21/2015 8:10 PM (GMT -8)
Antonia glad you have Don home with you . I think I know what you mean about looking frail. I think just being in the hospital somehow does that . I hope you get some help next week for sure. If I was closer I would be there.! Just make sure to get some rest and look after your self. Stress is not good.
Lisa thank heavens for great neighbors! They were my guardian angels last winter as well. Alot of times my driveway was all looked after and it was nice on days of oncologist appointments. I love people who just do instead of that saying if you need help with anything just ask. I am the kind who would never ask for help. It was very hard for Dave to admit he couldn't do the things he always did. XOXO πŸ’™ πŸ’™ πŸ’™ Sue
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Posted 11/22/2015 4:03 PM (GMT -8)
Moon, my prayers for the both of you
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Posted 11/22/2015 6:52 PM (GMT -8)
Antonia, Bless those custom agents who showed you such kindness, it's heartening to know that in the midst of your most awful times there are kind loving people who see your heart and instinctively reach out in that moment to hold you up. You deserve that and more.
You and Don have support here and I know you believe that. I know you believe the good thoughts, prayers and love that we send to you both are a blessing and bring comfort.
Holding you close,
Susan xx
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Posted 11/22/2015 10:37 PM (GMT -8)
Moon and Lisa,
Thinking of you and hoping you are able to have some good family time this week. I had no idea that Frank was at the same point my DH is, with little strength to do even minor chores. It is so nice when a helpful or uplifting person comes into your life just when you need it most.
Sue and Susan, and Mel and Haliday, a very Happy Thanksgiving to you.
I am thankful for the beautiful people on this forum every day!
Beth n Gary
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Posted 11/24/2015 11:07 AM (GMT -8)
My husband died last Saturday and is finally rid of the horrible pain he endured. He fought long and hard, but his body just could not take any more.

I wish everyone here the best of what life has to offer. You are all amazing.

Love,
Cathy β€œenjoylife”
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Posted 11/24/2015 11:15 AM (GMT -8)
Cathy,

I'm so sorry to read this...but I'm glad he is no longer suffering such horrible pain.
The pain, I think, is what my hubby is most afraid of. You fought long and hard with him, too.
Be gentle with yourself and I hope you have some family around you this week.

Love, Lisa
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Posted 11/24/2015 11:15 AM (GMT -8)
I am sorry to hear this Cathy. Thoughts and prayers with you during this time, please stop by now and then to let us know how you are doing.
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