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Purgatory
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Posted 7/14/2015 5:20 PM (GMT -8)
Well, as usual, after all that anticipation and concern all weekend and yesterday, no conclusive answers, just more questions.

I was the last patient today. All of the office staff less one person was gone and the lights were turned out mostly. Taken to a patient room and was asked to lay down while I waited for my doctor. By then, was totally convinced I was going to get slammed with really, really bad news.

Bottom line, the simple CT done of my kidneys did not show any kind of blockage or obstructions. Dr. wasn't happy that the NP had ordered this particular test. Now they say this. He wants a thorough multi-contrasted CT and possible MRI done of both kidneys, ureters, pancreas, and bladder. Said he wants to see the inside linings of all those parts, because something has to be causing the internal bleeding via my stoma/conduit, and something has to be causing the deep and steady pain on my lower right side. Gee, only been complaining about this for over a year.

They took some blood for some very kidney related tests, that he says will have results tomorrow. New scan will be set up probably before this week is out. He's not ruling anything in or out at this point.

Sure been nice if late last week, that they had indicated that they didn't have enough data to have a diagnosis, instead of making it seem like a doom and gloom situation from the start. He kind of apologized for that, and said who ever called me should have made that clear. I told him it was kind of a cruel act really, considering this is how he presented my original PC diagnosis with a last in the day appointment, etc.

Sure wish people could be more sensitive to how a patient may or may not react to news on their health conditions.

When I told him I was still having painful bladder spasms even 5 years post stoma surgery, he didn't even answer me. I wanted to say, why didn't you remove my burned bladder when you had the chance? But I didn't. Was too angry, tired, and frustrated at that point.

So now I have to sit around and wait some more...story of my life. Giving up is starting to seem like a good option to me, just let nature run its course, its not worth the effort to keep trying anymore.
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browntrout
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Posted 7/14/2015 6:34 PM (GMT -8)
Purg: There are so many people who find hope and inspiration in your posts. Plus the fact that you still seem to find the time to supply amazing insights and wisdom that provide comfort for others. I realize I have no right to tell you what is best for your future but we really do need you as do your loved ones. I am truly sorry for the hand that has been dealt to you and feel so helpless to only offer you prayers, once again.
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Chartreux
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Posted 7/14/2015 9:05 PM (GMT -8)
So very sorry that this doctor did this to you, I agree with Browntrout I get inspiration from you and you have really been so very helpful. You have my continued prayers, please don't give up...we care about you.
Many more prayers..
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ARangel14
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Posted 7/14/2015 9:27 PM (GMT -8)
Purg, I am so sorry. You are so valued by so many. Despite everything you go through daily you are such an inspiration to all of us. I hope you get some relief. You DESERVE some pain free days and some moments to just breathe and not have to worry about what medical test is next. It is my wish for you.~Miki
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Barbara Lee
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Posted 7/15/2015 3:56 AM (GMT -8)
David:

First off, happy belated birthday. I'm sorry I didn't manage to get on here Monday to wish you it on time. I was laid up in bed with a fever of 101.5.

I'm really sorry that your Dr allowed is people to do this to you. There is nothing worse than thinking that the other shoe is going to drop and you're going to hear the worst news. (((hugs))) I know how hard things have been for you and the suffering you've put up with over the past 5 years. It's so overwhelming at times, most people don't get it.

You have so much going on and you are a "complex"" patient like me. My surgeon recently informed me that "I'm a walking medical nightmare" for them. Gee, thanks Doc love you too.

David you bring a lot hope to the folks here. You always show your humor, wit, and never ending will to keep going. You encourage all who read your posts. Don't think that the folks here don't care about you. We all wish that your pain would go away, but that's not likely, however, we'd love to see it lessen.

I know your feelings of wanting to just give up. I'm fighting mine so bad right now. We made a pack though and I'm sticking to my end, even though, I truly don't want to anymore. You need to keep your side of this pack. I know it's hard every second of every day to keep putting what little energy we have into staying alive. We both have families that want us around still.

David, please keep fighting and know that I'm here fighting too. We both have each other to support. Hang tough David, we will be rewarded in the long wrong for all the suffering we've gone through. I'll be keeping you in my prayers. I believe you still have my email and I'm available for Skype if you want to talk. I also have an iPhone that I can do Facetime too.

I'll be watching for your updates. Know that you're NOT alone in this journey you have many folks who care. I'm walking with you too in this long hard journey. I hope today is a low pain day for you and I pray that you are comfortable today. Will write to you again soon.

Love,
Barbara
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81GyGuy
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Posted 7/15/2015 4:53 AM (GMT -8)
David –

I believe I posted the scripture verse below once before, in another thread about some of the issues you were having.

But it's such a powerful verse, and seems so relevant, that I feel it is very much worth hearing again.

(No religious discourse intended here, Mods, just encouragement).

"Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him."

James 1:12


In a similar vein, there's an old folk tale that runs as follows.

God and the Devil were having a debate, and God said to the Devil "How can I possibly compete with you for the souls of men? You have such powerful ways to tempt them. You can tempt them with power, wealth, sex, fame, and in so many other ways. All I can really offer them is just hope for a better existence." And the Devil replied "You could take away from me all of those things you just mentioned, and if you left me only a certain one of them, I would still win again and again." And God said "Which thing is that?"

And the Devil replied: "The power to discourage."


David, the power to keep going that you have demonstrated not only to us but to yourself has been beyond admirable. As so many have said, you are a shining example of what it means to "persevere under trial" in the past and now.

"Discouragement" could well be the greatest challenge you will need to face, but if you can overcome that, then the crown of life will be yours.

Keep hanging tough. We know you can do it.
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InTheShop
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Posted 7/15/2015 6:17 AM (GMT -8)
David, as always, you're in my daily prayers.

Peace,
Andrew
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An38
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Posted 7/15/2015 6:23 AM (GMT -8)
Hi David,

I am happy it is not the pancreatic cancer you were fearing or kidney cancer or any other kind of terrible diagnosis.

But sadly, it is more of the same from this doctor. Suppositions, half baked theories, no answers. A surgery incorrectly done. It is possible I am being harsh here but this doctor does not deserve to have you as a patient.

I know that you have managed to keep going through all the twists and turns and setbacks. I hope you can fight on the same way.

All the best,
An
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living with Pca
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Posted 7/15/2015 7:15 AM (GMT -8)
Unanswered questions--"kept in the dark" ---more sensitive--- angry--tired---frustrated I wonder if our doctors ever feel that way.  If they did could they maybe help us with feelings and emotions along with physical problems. Just asking  Carol
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Beejane
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Posted 7/15/2015 10:09 AM (GMT -8)

An38 said...
Hi David,

I am happy it is not the pancreatic cancer you were fearing or kidney cancer or any other kind of terrible diagnosis.

But sadly, it is more of the same from this doctor. Suppositions, half baked theories, no answers. A surgery incorrectly done. It is possible I am being harsh here but this doctor does not deserve to have you as a patient.


An

I don't think you are being too harsh. This same urologist did a round of MRI's and CT scans and special upgraded more contrasty scans only a year ago, so should have had something to compare the present round with. There was also a round of kidney scans and blood tests this spring at the VA which ended with a different prognosis than the urologists original verdict of common kidney cysts, although neither seemed to have resulted in any verdict. Some paper work somewhere is not ending up anywhere.
Along with the frightening scenario of lying down in a darkened facility after days of anxiety and worry, you are right in suggesting alternatives.
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DianeB
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Posted 7/15/2015 12:25 PM (GMT -8)
Prayers
For peace & some pain free time

And, on your behalf, frustration & anger...
Wondering how many of these health care would be satisfied if a family member/loved one was being treated /NOT treated as you have been.
Annd continue to be treated.

So many appreciate your input, including me.
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kukukajoo
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Posted 7/25/2015 9:26 PM (GMT -8)
Hey purg,

Hope you are doing okay this week.

I wanted to ask if you had looked into botox in your bladder to stop the spasms? I was born with bladder issues and at times due to the lupus I get intense spasms I always had to live with until I got new urologist back up north.

She botoxed my detrusor muscle which stopped that in its tracks and lasted about 5-6 mos which was like a dream for me. I still can't believe how well it worked and would have it done again but Paul's stuff takes precedence.
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Aimzee
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Posted 7/27/2015 5:11 AM (GMT -8)
Hi David, we are very concerned and saddened to hear the latest news. I am so sorry. I hope you are comfortable and without much pain. *HUGS*
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Chartreux
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Posted 7/27/2015 11:49 AM (GMT -8)
I'm concerned as well and saying prayers for you, any news on your teeth?
Many blessings and prayers...
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titlewave
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Posted 7/27/2015 11:59 AM (GMT -8)
Never give up...you are an inspiration to so many here!!!
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Lynnwood
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Posted 7/31/2015 9:12 AM (GMT -8)
Has anyone had any contact with David since his last post on the 14th? I'm getting a bit worried that something has happened... or maybe he's just too exhausted to post on more wait-and-see activity.

Thanks for any info anyone has to share.

David, continued prayers for your comfort.
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Purgatory
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Posted 7/31/2015 6:19 PM (GMT -8)
Lynn, thanks for posting this. Haven't been lurking, let alone posting here.

Been through additional layers of hell since I last posted here. The night of the 14th, I started becoming weak and ill like never before. Was getting severe stomach aches, extreme nausea, etc. I toughed it out for days, first thinking I was having a stomach flu or bug, even thought of food poisoning.

On the afternoon of July 18th, went to a small local ER for about 6 hours, they ran various tests, but sent me home without a full or proper dx.

By Monday the 21st, was very bad off. Couldn't keep my eye lids open more than a few seconds at the time, even to walk across the room took extreme effort. My ex-boss that evening was about to force me to the ER, but I talked him out of it. Later, my youngest son and his wife tried to sit with me, and get me to go. Later that night, when my wife got in, we decided to see how I was by sunrise.

I was much worse, so went to the Hospital, and was admitted with a severe lower intestinal blockage. Was in the hospital for 4 days with a stomach tube, to give my digestive system a break. At one point, they talked about doing extreme emergency surgery, but after 3 days, thought I had passed the danger point.

Been home recovering ever since. Some days are better than others, its a slow and painful recovery. My kidney CT was postponed until this morning. Had it done, they didn't see anything to cause all the bleeding but feel somehow its all related to the intestinal side. Kind of hard to say. Right now, its a wait and watch situation, hoping I slowly improve. Haven't lost any more weight, but can't even gain .1 of a pound. Stalemate.

Pray for me, is all I can ask. There are more rooms in this hell on earth than I ever possibly imagined before now. Just when I think I have taken all the pain I can endure, I have to endure even more. Makes my "normal" pain look like nothing. Not giving up, just extremely discouraged at the moment.

Thank you, sorry for not being able to post something sooner, didn't mean to make anyone worry, you know I don't believe in worry. It never helps.

D.
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Chartreux
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Posted 7/31/2015 7:31 PM (GMT -8)
Will keep you in my prayers thru Monday and then I have knee surgery, but once that is over, which I hope is a speedy recovery then I will continue prayers for you... I really do hope you improve soon...many prayers...Thank you for the update...I will look for your postings...
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InTheShop
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Posted 7/31/2015 7:42 PM (GMT -8)
David - You're always in my prayers,
Andrew
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divo
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Posted 8/1/2015 5:11 AM (GMT -8)
Dear David,
I felt like checking in here after almost a year to the day. I saw your name, and had to write. You and I joined about the same time (2008). You and my husband, Peter, have been through the most difficult of all the stories that I have ever heard. I won't go into all the details, as you know them, but he is still fighting the good fight after the extenuation surgery and now two permanent stomas, urostomy and colostomy. I have been changing them for him for a year and a half.
Happy Birthday to you and I wish you many more. You have been a wonderful inspiration to so many on this forum and to me especially. I never heard of anyone other than my husband who suffered so much from the treatments. The cancer is nothing compared to the savageness that the radiations, salvage surgery, lupron, fistulas, etc. have caused. The doctors, unfortunately don't know what to do with Peter now. They give him more oxicontin and oxidodone, and antidepressants, and probably four more drugs. The lupron now, has taken a tole more than it did before. He can barely walk. You and your wife continue to be inspirations to each other and to anyone who knows you. Even though we have never met in person, I know what you both are going through. God Bless you both, and Forge Ahead. much love, Di :-)
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Lynnwood
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Posted 8/1/2015 5:57 AM (GMT -8)
Thank you for the update, David. Somehow I felt something wasn't right. I pray your pain lessens soon.
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Purgatory
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Posted 8/2/2015 5:13 PM (GMT -8)
divo, thanks for your word. I kind of forgot how similar the two of our cases are in many ways. for some, the battle is the cancer itself, for some of us, the battle is in the treatments for the cancer.

as a note (sunday, august 2nd), on a slight mend uphill. today was notably better than the previous 2 days, still endless stomach cramps and sharp pains, but not as acute.

we went away for the weekend to our rv property, mostly to chill out and get away from the hum drum. as usual, I did too much, I am not one to just lay around/sit around and do nothing. was tinkering with one too many things, never did get much rest. back home, feels good at the moment not doing anything in particular.

hoping to have a follow up with a good gasto doctor, to make sure that I am on a healing path, and not setting myself up for more serious gastro issues. surgery is still a possibility for me before this is over with.
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DianeB
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Posted 8/3/2015 9:56 AM (GMT -8)
P
Thnx for updates.. keeping you in prayer.
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Chartreux
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Posted 8/4/2015 4:16 PM (GMT -8)
Many continued prayers and healing wishes, and concerned for you!
Thanks for the update...
Healing hugs for you...if that's okay for me to say...
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