I'm guessing to your point Billybob, that insulin promotes cancer growth in some but not all, cancers. In fact, I think I recall Tall Allen, in another thread somewhere, stating that in prostate cancer, when doing scans, they don't use glucose as the agent that lights up the tumors, because PC doesn't feed on glucose the wat other cancers do. On the other hand, we are talking about insulin here, not glucose.
And again, yo your point, and CC's point, avoiding insulin spikes is a good thing for overall health. And sugar is a bad thing for overall health.
It is so frustrating that we need to continue to discuss and debate with no way to have definitive proof. But that's life, I guess.
Yes, it is frustrating.
And to your point:Maybe. But, though that may be true about
sugar not being used by PC like it is in most other cancers, that does not at all mean the relationship of insulin(raised by sugar) to PC is not still a concern, just as it is a concern for so many other health issues. Also, you may recall, I have made an argument that diabetics- who are known to have some protection from PC- almost by definition are treated for their high blood sugars, first and foremost with diet and or drugs that end up improving their insulin sensitivity and thus lowering their blood insulin. Most get this treatment for many years before they are ever tested for PC. Thus lower blood sugars by way of diet more or less =lower blood insulin. And/or, add a drug that improves insulin sensitivity, and you allow a given amount of insulin produced by the pancreas to lower blood sugar, which(i.e. lower blood sugar) then leads to a lessened need for the body to produce insulin and even lower insulin. I have also presented other studies showing insulin resistance and high levels of blood insulin to have between 2 and 8 times ( 8X ! ) association with PC, especially with aggressive PC.
Thus, it does not seem surprising to me that diabetics seem to have some protection from PC. And the longer they have had diabetes, the more protection they seem to have. Naturally, some take that to mean: "see there! high blood sugar actually protects from PC- because PC likes fat more than sugar!". But it seems far more rational to me that diabetes, which seems to harm virtually every other health aspect, is very unlikely to be protect against PC, but rather the early treatments for diabetes- diet and drugs that increase insulin sensitivity- is what supplies the protection. Now that last makes total sense and lines up with every thing else we know about
the wide ranging harms of high blood sugar(glucose), insulin resistance, high blood insulin and diabetes. It also lines up with theories about
metformin- even for non-diabetics- helping against PC.
So, PC may not favor a sugar diet, but I bet it still loves the insulin that comes with the sugar. As far as I know right now, subject to change of course with more info, insulin is a growth factor in all cancers including PC. I would guess CC is agreeing with me on that. Regardless, despite all of that good theory and some significant evidence supporting the theory, what I am saying is that sometimes, no matter which cancer you have, all of that goes right out the window. Probably with all cancers, at some point in the disease, it goes out with the trash. Because of what I asked in the previous post: don't almost ALL cancer patients, when they get any where near death from cancer, end up on an involuntary low sugar- low everything- diet? Which lead to ketosis and low blood insulin? Or in my daughter in laws case, she was probably at that stage for a year before her diagnoses, due to her weight loss surgery. And like all the other cancer patients who die of it, that ketosis and low sugar and insulin apparently did nothing worthwhile. But then again, the same seemed apparent for the chemo which no doubt has RCTs showing it to be helpful.
So maybe less sugar consumed, leading to lower blood insulin, can lower the chance of being diagnosed with most or all cancers, just as it helps triglycerides and other blood chemistries, and BP, and non-alcoholic fatty liver, and waist size, and diabetes, etc, etc, ad infinitum. Maybe it can slow the rate of progression or recurrence of all or most cancers, including PC. In fact, I highly suspect that is so, and I hope it is so, maybe we will get proof some day one way or another. However, it is also obvious that in some
cancers, or at least at some stage
of those or maybe all cancers, or maybe in some people
, it is not going to make any difference whatsoever, just as chemo is not. Because most folks dying of cancer give low sugar/low insulin/ketosis a thorough try whether they want to or not, at least near the end, and they still die of cancer.
Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 11/25/2017 10:43:54 AM (GMT-7)