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Purgatory
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Posted 2/23/2016 6:43 PM (GMT -8)
Sorry for the delayed update. I was expecting a good fight, but it never happened. I did hand the nurse a 2 page typed update from me. The doctor did read it, and then proceeded to spend 30 minutes calmly with me, taking the time to explain my situation, and to try to ease my concerns.

On the dripping issue, he said the culture came back with a really rare infection, one he had never seen before. I failed to write the name of it down. He is not certain why its going on, and it has to be limited to where my bladder neck is scarred closed, to the tip. There is no way anything can get past the blockage. He put me on an even stronger anti-biotic for the next 7 days, and hopes it has some positive effect. If it doesn't work, and I dread the thought, he said I may have to be circumcised. No male in my side of the family as ever been circumcised, going back to my grandfather. He said he will only do it, while the patient is completely put under. Said it would take 25-40 minutes. Would leave about 24 self dissolving sutures. He admitted, that it could be a pretty painful recovery, but the worse should be over in about 2 weeks. Hoping and praying it doesn't come down to this.

On the internal pain in my scrotum, loins, base of penis, etc. - he's not certain enough to dx. at this point. Said it could be still another deep infection, though he kind of discounted that. Or it could be fluid building up in my by-passed bladder, or it could be bladder cancer. As noted before, there is no easy or safe way, with all the radiation damage, for him to access my bladder. Said the risk of it not healing properly is high. Admitted that under present circumstances, I could have stage IV bladder cancer and never know until it spread. So for starters, he's going to run several contrasted CAT scans this Friday, and take it from there. Said even exploratory surgery from the outside in, could be very problematic. I asked him point blank, when didn't he take the bladder out back in 2010, when he had the chance. Said it was a judgment call on his part, he reasoned that there were high risks even six years ago, and that it only riskier now.

On my rising PSA, said the next 2 readings may be the determining tests. I didn't mention any preference at all for the next step, but he immediately recommended the possibility of 2-3 rounds of chemo, Taxotere (?) vs. HT. His PSA reading from last week, matched both the VA's and my own oncologist's readings. I will be getting a new one mid-March, to see if the rise is still increasing or not. Jury is out on that one too.

He has been my urologist for coming up on 9 years now, I still feel he's a good doctor, not perfect, and he did agree, knowing now how things have turned out, perhaps the bladder should have been removed. He told me he assisted a removal just a couple of weeks ago, with another patient who he said was about as badly damaged as I am from radiation. Took them 6 1/2 hours, and there were many complications. The guy ended up with both an Urostomy and a colostomy. I already have the one, and sure don't want the other. There will be no rush into major surgery - either by me or by my doctor. Going to proceed with caution.

So no firm dx. on anything, not quite yet. But hopefully nearer than I was. He did appear to be very empathetic for the coming up on 6 years of 24/7 moderate to severe chronic pain. He told me, unfortunately, that I may not have seen the worse of the radiation damage. Said that it may get even worse as it spreads, even though I am coming up on the 7 year mark from SRT. That prospect didn't go over well with me, but I would rather know the truth.

Will update again after I get the scan results, and see what this new rounds of meds do for me.
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InTheShop
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Posted 2/23/2016 6:52 PM (GMT -8)
David, as always, you're in my thoughts and prayers.

Peace,
Andrew
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Lynnwood
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Posted 2/23/2016 7:08 PM (GMT -8)
Thanks for the update. Glad the fellow was at least prepared for a frank discussion.

How are things with the new teeth? I know that's less important than the other issues, but just wondered.

Yesterday's update on Barbara is on the Lupus board.
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NewspaperLover
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Posted 2/23/2016 7:12 PM (GMT -8)
Best wishes! Hard to grasp what you have been through. Don't know that I could have. Hope things improve for you.

NewspaperLover
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island time
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Posted 2/23/2016 9:11 PM (GMT -8)
Lets hope the scans can provide some answers.
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DianeB
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Posted 2/23/2016 9:41 PM (GMT -8)
Thnx for taking the time to update. Caring enough, about others, to share your information is indeed generous.
Prayers
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Gleason 6
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Posted 2/24/2016 7:22 AM (GMT -8)
Purg,

As always I feel for you having to go through all that you do. In your last post you mentioned... "What I wouldn't give to be able to go to John Hopkins and have a real group of doctor's trying to work together with all these clues and come up with a game plan."... Why don't you? I've seen it here and I believe that the best doctors make all the difference. Following you all these years it seems like you have been put off, had appointments delayed, had trouble being seen or scheduled for appointments, had different doctors assigned to you that had to be brought up on your history, and in general have not received the best of care. Where there is a will there is a way. Really. I know that I have had some expensive procedures done, but it seems like hospitals and doctors are willing to let you pay what you can per month, as long as you are paying. Get private insurance if needed. Maybe give up a car or a cruise or raise money on 'go fund me'. I think you need to give yourself the best shot you can to solve your issues and the pain that you endure rather that live the rest of your life as you are now. You're worth it and you deserve it.

I wish you well.

G6
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81GyGuy
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Posted 2/24/2016 8:10 AM (GMT -8)
David -

As Gleason 6 said: "You're worth it and you deserve it."

Absolutely.

A story. Decades ago when I was a young guy just starting out early in my university library career, I remember an incident that has always stayed with me.

I was on the reference desk one morning fielding and answering questions from the public, part of my early training, when I got an unusually challenging question from a patron, something about the local county annual budget.

So I stated looking through the usual sources for the answer to his question (all paper sources, books and magazines, BTW, as this was years before access to databases and computers as information sources), without success. And after twenty minutes, still with no result, I explained to the gentleman that the search would take a little longer, and could I please have a number to call him back when I located the answer (IF I located the answer, actually), and he gave it to me. (Library policy, couldn't spend too much time on any one question, others were waiting, had to move on).

But later during the morning I would sneak in a few more minutes here and there on the question, while in the process of answering other patron questions. But by noon, still with no answer, I was just so frustrated at my lack of success. So finally I went to my supervisor and said "I have this one question that just has me stumped. I think I may just have to give up on it, admit failure, and tell the patron to try another source."

Then my supervisor, an older, wiser, and highly experienced librarian said: "No, you will keep looking! The answer is out there! And the only way that you will guarantee that you won't find it, and thus guarantee failure, is if you stop looking! So keep looking!"

So I did keep looking, and eventually I did indeed find the answer, and was very happy to call the patron and relay the answer to him.

My point is that we know you too well, David. We know you won't ever guarantee failure by quitting. We know that's not who you are.

Like my question, the answer to your question, your situation, is out there, somewhere. God willing you'll find it, but whatever happens, we know that you will continue to strive to find it, so that you can always know in your own mind that you never gave up trying to find it!
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erbob
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Posted 2/24/2016 9:11 AM (GMT -8)
David. Thanks for the update. You have really gone through the mill, so to speak. I too have been getting a little deeper into the seemingly chronic stuff. Last April I had my left kidney, left ureter and bladder cuff removed. I have to go to the VA hospital in Danville, IL at three month intervals apparently for the rest of my days. For the last three visits, a cytology has indicated Atypical cells. Each time, after deeper analysis, they were all FOUND TO BE benign.
However, next Tuesday the VA Urologist wants me to have a bladder biopsy in an effort to see what the heck is going on. He did advise me that my having some Atypical does not necessarily mean cancerous cells. I hope my brachytherapy of over five years ago was not the direct cause of the cancerous mass in my ureter which caused the loss of my kidney. I can sympathize with you for all you have been going through and hope your next procedure will give you some GOOD well deserved relief. Prayers being said for you BROTHER.
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Tim G
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Posted 2/24/2016 6:30 PM (GMT -8)
"Respect other members' opinions regarding treatment decisions. Decisions about health and well-being are highly personal choices" (Forum Rule #3)

You can lead a horse to water...
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Purgatory
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Posted 2/25/2016 4:45 PM (GMT -8)
erbob - your story makes mine look pale. you have been through the wringer yourself, and you are still in the fight, and if not mistaken, you have 16 years of life on me. my hat is off to you in your fight.

gleason6 - some of your remarks could be taken in the wrong way. especially about the cars and cruises. we are not talking apples to apples here. I am 100% covered by Medicare, and 100% covered by the VA. not in any position to take on additional insurance, and even if I did, there would be overcoverages by having more than one "carrier". 2 coverages doesn't equate to 200% coverage. there is also severe travel limitations on my end, even planning a 4 hour car trip for me, is a major event, thus why I don't get to see my daughter often in Charleston, a long day of airport waiting, layovers, flight time is difficult for me. just wish I could find one neutral doctor, that could take what the others have found in their own specialties, and knit them together, I am not convinced that all the dots are being connected.

and to every one else, thanks for the continual support, well appreciated

tomorrow is Friday, have to be at the hospital, after fasting, at 3 PM, to begin these new rounds of contrasted testing. don't look forward to guzzling down more contrasts, and more IV's, but I want some good scans. the pain in my bladder neck and groin area has been intense the past couple of days. so far, the new antibiotic for the "drip" hasn't done a thing, but I am only about half way through the bottle of pills. really hoping it works, I do not want to be circumcised at my age.
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browntrout
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Posted 2/25/2016 4:53 PM (GMT -8)
David: Prayers every day.
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Break60
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Posted 2/25/2016 4:58 PM (GMT -8)
All I can say is your story makes me feel fortunate by comparison. Thanks for the update and I salute you for your fortitude!
Bob
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Aimzee
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Posted 2/26/2016 7:36 AM (GMT -8)
Oh, David - I hope you will get more information this afternoon. You've been through enough pain!

As Gleason 6 said: "You're worth it and you deserve it."

erbob, good luck with your health concerns!
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Tim G
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Posted 2/26/2016 11:38 AM (GMT -8)
It's incredible that in this day and age of modern medicine you have gone eight years with, as you say, "No Answers".
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Purgatory
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Posted 2/26/2016 7:40 PM (GMT -8)
Friday the 26th Update

It took 3 try's and 3 different sites for them to get the IV in today for the contrasted CT scans.

On the first one, the nurse hit a major nerve directly with the needle. Can't say it was her fault, I have rolling veins, and they are so scarred from so many needles and IVs. Needless to say, I went instantly white with Level 10 pain, and almost jumped out of the chair. Brought tears to my eyes. The nurse felt so bad for causing me so much pain. 2nd attempt missed entirely, 3rd one was the charm and it didn't even feel it go in. That was 8 hours ago, and my arm still aches from it, and is still bandaged.

Suppose to have results phoned to me on Monday, then a follow up with Urologist. Still no improvement on the "drip", I don't believe this stronger antibiotic is doing any good, but still not through.

Got done after 2 hours then had to fight rush hour traffic. Tried to nap, but was too sore and uptight to relax.
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Barbara Lee
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Posted 2/28/2016 2:50 AM (GMT -8)
David,

I'm sorry I've not been around much to support you. You have, however, been on my mind daily. I hate that things have become so serious for you. Why, some of us must suffer so I don't understand.

My issues have rapidly declined since January 1st . Basically, my Doctors are uncertain what to do with me. My daughter is putting updates in the lupus forum. Straight out I'm back in the ICU and if we can't stop the progression of what's happening in my lungs I may die in near future. The doctors are contacting Hopkins, Mayo, and Cleveland clinics for more advice. Also, they are discussing getting me on the lung transplant list ASAP.

I don't want take over your thread but I wanted you know i get where you are coming from. I get wanting to throw up your hands and quit I wasn't showing any signs of this lung stuff 6 months ago. In January my nose dive started, sounds like you've done the same. At times I don't even want the Doctors to walk into my room. Keep on them David, don't let put you off, remember we promised each other to hang on and keep fighting.

We will share the lifesaver that's been thrown overboard for us, okay. Hang on tight David we will get past all this. I'll try to continue to post as I'm able.

Hugs,
Barbara Lee
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Purgatory
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Posted 2/28/2016 9:21 PM (GMT -8)
Barb,

So sorry to hear your latest report here. I haven't been around HW much past few months, so apologize for not checking closer with you. I come on with a brief update, but hasn't been much positive to update. Same endless run around with doctors, and not getting proper answers.

Your situation sounds grim on the surface, i.e. your lungs, if it would help, you could have one of mine, not sure how that works with the lung transplant swaps. Guess they would have to be compatible, and with my long cancer history, not sure my offer would be acceptable. They won't even let me give blood anymore, for years on end.

I wish you well, glad that our "deal" is still in place. I have been close to quitting, but quitting to what? Never an easy answer, is there? You just keep on keeping on, just like I have and am still doing. Not really any alternative that is acceptable, is there?

Don't feel pressured to post, will check back at Lupus more often, like I use to, to keep tabs on you, glad your daughter is at least helping you do that.

Still got your "new" cat?

I too, get angry at my doctors, but they are better than nothing, so I try to control my anger when I actually see them. I still have a lot of faith in our medical community, even though answers and solutions for me seem to be as elusive as usual.

Good luck, and prayers to you, my friend.

David
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An38
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Posted 3/16/2016 5:42 AM (GMT -8)
Rest in Peace Barbara, you were always there for your friend David, even when you were not well yourself.

I remember Barbara most for her kindness.

Barbara passed a few days after she wrote this post. It might have been her last post at Healing Well.
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Tudpock18
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Posted 3/16/2016 5:49 AM (GMT -8)
An, thanks for alerting us to Barbara's passing. This was indeed her last post on HW and shows that even in most painful hours she was reaching out to another person who was suffering. She must have been a remarkable woman.

For anyone interested in seeing subsequent posts from her family or a link to her obit, you can click on her name and the last posts will show up.

RIP Barbara.

Jim
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Chartreux
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Posted 3/16/2016 7:52 PM (GMT -8)
Barbara was a very good friend to all that she talked with, she will be missed, Sympathies and prayers to her family and prayers to you David...
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erbob
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Posted 3/17/2016 12:11 PM (GMT -8)
Earlier in this thread, I had indicated that I had received a report of A-typical cells from my last Cystoscopy and was headed for a biopsy. Now it is confirmed that I do have bladder cancer. This is my fifth(5th) cancer and I am getting just a little tired of getting yet another cancer diagnosis. I will just keep plugging away just like everyone else here.
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Aimzee
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Posted Yesterday 3:13 AM (GMT -8)
I am so sad to hear this news about Barbara. I know how close David (Purgatory) was to her. May she rest in peace. I have sent a postcard to David as I am concerned that he hasn't posted in nearly 3 weeks. An, I know you share concern as well.

erbob, how sad to hear this news. You seem very determine to fight the battle, and my prayers go out to you. May God bless you.
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Tudpock18
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Posted Yesterday 3:36 AM (GMT -8)
I emailed back and forth with David on this. He had been notified directly about Barbara's death when it happened.

David is continuing to work through his medical issues and will provide us with an update soon.

Jim
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Aimzee
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Posted 3/21/2016 6:38 AM (GMT -8)
Thank you, Jim!
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