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   Posted 10/31/2017 6:42 PM (GMT -7)   
I do hate to see that I've facilitated donations to an activity that does not support Healing Well. That is a rule violation in itself, so I have to call myself out.

I was trying to make the point that donations to other fundraisers do NOT help us keep the lights on here at HW, much less help us improve things on the site.

Maybe you could do a bit of split or matching funds, and share a bit at home?

NowhereMan
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   Posted 11/1/2017 11:02 AM (GMT -7)   
I am a little blown away. this was a surprise to me how big Movember is here at work. Its only lunch time and probably 10 people said something to me. It certainlhy was a big change without the beard after so long. Most of the people at work only know me with the beard. Anbd Im gald I started all that last night because taking off the full beard took some doing. Wife is very supportive. She wanted our son to shave his for a long time anyhow. I'll give more update later.

Post Edited (NowhereMan) : 11/2/2017 12:46:04 PM (GMT-6)


garyi
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   Posted 11/1/2017 11:18 AM (GMT -7)   
<<<I was trying to make the point that donations to other fundraisers do NOT help us keep the lights on here at HW, much less help us improve things on the site.>>>

I think the point is those donations, whatever they are, don't hurt HW either. Anything that helps PCa awareness is good.
70 years old @ Dx, LUTS for 7 years
PSA's never over 3.0
Ulcerative Colitis since 1973
TURP 2/16, G3+4 discovered,
3T MRI fusion guided biopsy 6/16
14 cores; G 3+3, one G3+4, Grade T1b
Second 3T MRI 1/17
RALP 7/17 Dr. Gonzaglo The Univ of Miami
G3+4 Organ confined
pT2c pNO pMn/a
Mostly Dry
10 week PSA .32
12 week PSA .40
14 week PSA .42
It's called Persistent PSA
Decipher & DCFPyL PET Scan

NKinney
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   Posted 11/1/2017 11:49 AM (GMT -7)   
Hardly noticeable for me today...I simply didn't shave this morning at the Y before work. But that's not totally unusual for me, as every now and then I go scruffy for a couple days in a row. By next week at work, I think it'll be obvious.

I had a conversation about it this morning at the Y anyhow. The guy a couple lockers down from me had RT roughly the same time as my RP, about 8-years ago, although I only became acquainted with him in the last year. Since then we have shared stories about our PC experiences. I told him I was not shaving for Movember and he totally had no idea what it was about. Now he does.

Wings of Eagles
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   Posted 11/1/2017 12:07 PM (GMT -7)   
No where man, (Did you get that from the Beatles song?)
That's cool that you and your son are doing this together and shaving off a long established beard, Cool in more ways than one! We can only hope that Justin Turner of the Dodgers some of those other ballplayers with "out there" beards do the same.
Norm,
That's a cool story also. It is amazing to think that someone right next to us, that we might not ever otherwise talk to,has gone through a very similar experience.
Wingman
DX PCa-Nov/2012,age 57=GS 3+4=7 & 4+3=7 w/mets PSA=71.2 start Lupron PSA=,

1/13=2.7 2/13=0.7 3/13=0.2 6 /13=0.1
9/ 13=0.7 11/13=1.4 12/13=2.7 4/14=2.7
6/14=3.8 8/14=5.2
Start Zytiga:
9/14=1.4 11/14=<0.06 12/14=<0.06 1/15=<0.06 3/15=<0.06 6/15=<0.06
9/15=<0.06 12/15=<0.06 3/16=<0.06 6/16=<0.06 9/16=<0.06 12/16=<0.06
3/17=<0.06 8/17=<0.06

Tim G
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   Posted 11/1/2017 4:30 PM (GMT -7)   
I thought that the HealingWell site was supported by ads that appear, but doubtless this covers only part of the bill. I plan to make a donation. Maybe this will help to provide a 2% cost-of-living pay adjustment for the indefatigable moderators as well.

I mentioned a Prostate Cancer charitable organization many years ago, and was reminded by the moderator of the rule against solicitation. Cancer charities have had their intrigues and scandals.

NowhereMan
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   Posted 11/2/2017 11:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Yes, Wings, NowhereMan was taken from the Beatles song. Long time fan of their music.

Two things to say about my experience so far. 1. It really feels weird not having my beard. Really weird. 2. there certainly has been lots of discussion. I'd say about 1/3 asked me about Movember (they already knew about it and guessed it was what I was doing). about 1/3 didn't ask me but were aware of Movember. about 1/3 didn't know about Movember. One guy had been treated several years ago, which I didn't know about. Another guy told me about his dad having prostate cancer.

I'll be interested in checking in with my son probably this weekend.

Are we really the only ones participating in Movember here? This site seems pretty active with men with prostate cancer, and I thought Movember would be really BIG here.

Tony Crispino
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   Posted 11/2/2017 1:51 PM (GMT -7)   
NowhereMan,
I have been on the scene for 11 years now as a survivor but I remised on the mustaches. I have worn a beard for more than 20 years (with exception to one time when I accidentally started trimming it without the proper setting on my trimmer). But I do participate in another way. I will be attending as an advisor to the Movember Foundation's "Prostate Cancer Landscape Analysis Committee" chaired by Dr. Mark Buzza at the next meeting at the UCLA cancer center on December 10th. Mark sought my input on where the raised funds may be best utilized and I accepted this role with the foundation this past September.

Great foundation and I know many that participate in November. Good on all of you!
BioSketch tinyurl.com/mw36q72

Advanced PCa Survivor (dx in 2006)
Patient Representative at ASCO, SWOG, AUA, SUO, ASTRO
NCI Prostate Task Force Panelist
UsTOO Las Vegas Chapter Chairman

I am not a medical doctor.

Dr WHO
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   Posted 11/2/2017 5:01 PM (GMT -7)   
I tried to grow one last year. However, because of the wonders of ADT, no one could tell...
58 when diagnosed
4/18/2016 DaVinci surgery
Gleason 8 (4+4) T3aN1Mx Ductal, Stage 4 D1, prostate 74 g, 1out of 14 lymph nodes "100%" cancer.
PSA= 3.3 2014, 4.7 2015, after surgery 0.1 5/2016, < 0.1 Sept, <0.1 Jun 2017
6/2/2016 started Lupron, 6/14/2017 started Abiraterone (Zytiga)
External radiation: 38 treatments ended 10/7/2016
Leakage June >750 g, July < 10 g

NKinney
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   Posted 11/3/2017 7:16 AM (GMT -7)   
NowhereMan, what I said to you last month is true: the interest in Movember here at this site is "lukewarm" at best. I get it that some of the guys are limited in what they can do due to the chemicals throwing off their hair growth, but that's not most of the guys here. It's apathetic; especially those overly worried about appearances. Totally missing the point. It has been a bit surprising to me, too.

Day 3. The whiskers are a bit scruffy. Can't feel it and don't notice it at all, however, unless I rub my hand over it or look in the mirror. Today I used my razor to shave around the bottom part of my neck, so the shape of a beard will start to develop. Probably later on in the month I'll take it down to a moustache only for the full effect & intent.

My wife offered to stop shaving in support of Movember. After a short discussion I told her I appreciated it, but we both agreed that we would each not stop grooming everywhere.

Post Edited (NKinney) : 11/3/2017 10:38:47 AM (GMT-6)


alephnull
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   Posted 11/3/2017 10:14 AM (GMT -7)   
I think Princess Leia said it.

Scruffy Nerf Herder or something like that.

I like the look.
PSA at diagnosis 20.6, age 54 in 2013, 12 out of 12 cores positive
My PSA Curve
Robotic prostatectomy 11/2013, all positive except bladder neck invasion
Degarelix two months, 2 years Lupron, Radiation after 18 months
GS 9 - 4+5 , Stage pT3b N1 M1c - Undetctable 41 months
PSA rise <0.1 to 0.18 to .71, last rise in 4 months
Csodex n Lupron

NKinney
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   Posted 11/3/2017 11:59 AM (GMT -7)   
alephnull said...
I think Princess Leia said it.

Scruffy Nerf Herder or something like that.

I like the look.



haha, It's not a big deal.

But apparently a couple princesses around here think it is.

halbert
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   Posted 11/3/2017 3:43 PM (GMT -7)   
At the moment, scruffy nerfherder fits. I heard another term for no-shave-november: novembeard.
Age at Diagnosis: 56
RALP on 2/17/15, BJC St. Louis, Dr. Figenshau
58.5g, G3+4, 20%, 4 quadrants involved
PSA 3/10/15: 0.10
5/18/15: <.04
8/24/15: <.04
11/30/15: <.04
2/29/16: <0.04
8/30/16: <0.04
2/15/17: <0.006
8/22/17: <0.006
My Story: www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=3300024

NKinney
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   Posted 11/4/2017 7:24 AM (GMT -7)   
Glad to hear you are "in," halbert, by starting the month clean shaven and then letting it go! For guys like you and NowhereMan, the CHANGE (taking off long term growth) has got to be both sudden and dramatic. For me, having been clean shaven for a long time, the growth is slow change over the month, but by next week it'll be clear that something's going on...

halbert
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   Posted 11/5/2017 3:41 AM (GMT -7)   
Who is this grey-bearded old guy I see in the mirror??????
Age at Diagnosis: 56
RALP on 2/17/15, BJC St. Louis, Dr. Figenshau
58.5g, G3+4, 20%, 4 quadrants involved
PSA 3/10/15: 0.10
5/18/15: <.04
8/24/15: <.04
11/30/15: <.04
2/29/16: <0.04
8/30/16: <0.04
2/15/17: <0.006
8/22/17: <0.006
My Story: www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=3300024

81GyGuy
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   Posted 11/6/2017 7:32 AM (GMT -7)   
So, just what kind of impact does suddenly growing a beard/mustache actually have on the people around us?

There have been numerous studies on this, and there are numerous web articles that measure the psychological impact of suddenly becoming hirsute. This one is probably typical:

/www.baldingbeards.com/how-beard-affects-people-around-you/

Some comments from it:

"… in various studies and research, beards have been shown to have magical powers that can have a definite affect on people.
OK, so ‘magical powers’ may be stretching it a bit, but there’s something about a beard."

"Traits like aggression and dominance, and maturity."

"The longer the beard hair, the more masculine the man is rated."

" … different women have different perspectives on beards … Women like stubble. But they favor heavy stubble over lighter stubble … Women find men with facial hair to be more masculine."


An interesting point is made regarding beards and job interviews. Studies seem to indicate that clean-shaven men do better for entry-level jobs, while bearded men do better for senior positions. However, stubble, whether light or heavy, had a negative impact on all job interviews.

The article concludes:

"But there’s no arguing that beards do have an affect when it comes to how people perceive us, and even how we’re perceived by the opposite sex. Wear that beard with pride, friends, and be conscious of the messages it may be sending others."
Age: 71
Chronic prostatitis (age 60 on)
BPH w/ urinary obstruction, 6/2011
TURP, 7/2011
Ongoing high PSA, 7/2011-12/2011
Biopsy, 12/2011: positive 3/12 (90%, 70%, 5%)
Gleason 6(3+3), T1c
No mets, PCa likely still organ contained
IMRT w/ HT (Lupron), 4/2012-6/2012
PSAs (since post-IMRT): 0.1 or lower

Pratoman
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   Posted 11/6/2017 9:24 AM (GMT -7)   
81g - somehow i cannot help but think that all those positive comments about men with beards, applies to black beards only, not grey ones. :-(

On another note, i was concerned about growing one, since i am growing my hair out long, and i have a number of important client appointments coming up.
But i've decided screw it, I'm growing it. In two weeks i'll trim the beard to be left with a fu manchu stache. My clients can suck it if they dont like it, after working for 45 years, i've earned the right to do what i want. And PC awareness is more important
Dx Age 64 Nov 2014, 4.3
BX 3 of 12 cores positive original pathologyG6, G6, G8 (3+5)
downgraded to 3+3=6 by tDr Epstein, JH
RALP with Dr Ash Tewari Jan 6, 2015
Post surgical pathology – G7 (3+4), ECE, Margivns, LN, SV all negative
PSA @ 6 weeks 2/15, .<02, remained <0.02 until January 2017, .02, repeat Feb 2017, still .02. May 2017-.033, August 2017- .033
Decipher test, low risk, .37 score

NKinney
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   Posted 11/6/2017 9:50 AM (GMT -7)   
81GyGuy said...
blah, blah

So stop talking about it 81GyGuy and just do it!



Pratoman, good for you. Good for you.



halbert, I tell my wife that those grey-ish whiskers coming is are blond (like I used to be back in the day; by late 20s it mostly turned more brown-ish except on top where it still stayed more light from lots of sun). She's being kind in telling me in return that it's "light."

81GyGuy
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   Posted 11/6/2017 10:51 AM (GMT -7)   
Well, I did sport a Van D-y-k-e once (forum censor won't let me spell it out, for obvious reasons), but that was ages ago. I seem to remember I was after that more distinguished look at the time.

Yeah, okay, I guess I could give it another shot since it's Movember That's assuming I can put up with the inevitable snide comments that will come from my two sons as I make the effort.

Plus, I seem to remember, the darn thing sure did itch as it was growing in, all those years ago

So, I guess the goal will be something like this (but with a LOT more gray, and less pointy ears):

/www.google.com/search?q=spock+with+beard&tbm=isch&source=iu&pf=m&ictx=1&fir=0cX8-rmlzCVZvM%253A%252CDqMIwQ230v7YKM%252C_&usg=__3tWIa_6Ua1yR-4LkRA6_qpnYBlc%3D&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4-qO8wqrXAhUK2WMKHUcGBLkQ9QEIRjAG#imgrc=0cX8-rmlzCVZvM:

Although my boys will maintain that I will more likely wind up looking like this:

/www.istockphoto.com/photo/baby-goat-at-petting-zoo-gm667196916-121715119

Oh well, we'll see.
Age: 71
Chronic prostatitis (age 60 on)
BPH w/ urinary obstruction, 6/2011
TURP, 7/2011
Ongoing high PSA, 7/2011-12/2011
Biopsy, 12/2011: positive 3/12 (90%, 70%, 5%)
Gleason 6(3+3), T1c
No mets, PCa likely still organ contained
IMRT w/ HT (Lupron), 4/2012-6/2012
PSAs (since post-IMRT): 0.1 or lower

Post Edited (81GyGuy) : 11/6/2017 10:58:56 AM (GMT-7)


NKinney
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   Posted 11/6/2017 11:41 AM (GMT -7)   
Good for you 81GyGuy. Good for you.

NKinney
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   Posted 11/7/2017 4:05 PM (GMT -7)   
I had no Movember discussions today. What about you guys?

I am giving a presentation to about 50-75 people on Thursday. On the title slide, I changed the date from "November 9, 2017" to "Movember 9, 2017" and I added THIS (a small version) under the date.

InTheShop
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   Posted 11/7/2017 5:47 PM (GMT -7)   
too busy writing a poem ...
I'll be in the shop.
Age 57, 52 at DX
PSA:
4.2 10/11, 1.9 6/12, 1.2 12/12, 1.0 5/13, .6 11/13,
.7 5/14, .5 10/14, .5 4/15, .3 10/15, .3 4/16, .4 10/16, .4 5/17, .3 10/17
G 3+4
Stage T1C
2 out of 14 cores positive
Treatment IGRT - 2/2012
My latest blog post

halbert
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   Posted 11/7/2017 8:20 PM (GMT -7)   
end of day 7: my facial skin is vanishing, wondering when the itch will stop. Lying down feels weird. Stroking my chin in thought, however, is a very different feeling.
Age at Diagnosis: 56
RALP on 2/17/15, BJC St. Louis, Dr. Figenshau
58.5g, G3+4, 20%, 4 quadrants involved
PSA 3/10/15: 0.10
5/18/15: <.04
8/24/15: <.04
11/30/15: <.04
2/29/16: <0.04
8/30/16: <0.04
2/15/17: <0.006
8/22/17: <0.006
My Story: www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=3300024

RobLee
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   Posted 11/8/2017 6:52 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm in, at least for the time being... haven't shaved the upper lip for a week and as I'm on vacation til after Thanksgiving have considered joining NKinney in going bearded, or more likely a VanDeyke/Mostash combo. Been clean shaven my entire life. It will be interesting to see how many scruffy looking Nerfherders I'll see at Universal Studios this month. (ˇ෴ˇ)
2014-15: PSA's 9, 12, 20, 25... Neg DRE, Neg TRUS biopsy
6/16: MRI Fusion biopsy, Right Base, 2x40%+2x100% all G8 (4+4)
8/16: DaVinci RP, 6mm EPE, PNI, 25% G4, BL SVI, stage T3B N0M0
1/17: started 18 months Lupron ADT, PSA's ~.03
5/17: AMS800 AUS implanted, revised 5/30
39 tx RapidArc IMRT (70 Gy) Aug-Oct 2017
Remember, remember... MOVEMBER ( ??? )

NKinney
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   Posted 11/8/2017 11:45 AM (GMT -7)   
Rock on, RobLee!


Met with a woman today from our Communications team...she said "I like the beard" when I walked up. "Doin' it for Movember," I replied. "My brother is doing that too," she said, "I made a donation to his team."

Ran into our CMO at lunch; forgot exactly what he said, but he made some comment about the beard. "Doin' it for Movember," I said back to him. "That's a good reason," he replied.
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