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Tall Allen
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Posted 10/13/2017 1:01 PM (GMT -8)
One of HW's reason for being is to provide peer support for patient empowerment.

The following opinion piece from Medscape questions this idea. She defines empowerment as "the process of becoming stronger and more confident, especially in controlling one's life and claiming one's rights. Patient empowerment involves shifting authority or power to patients so they can make more informed healthcare decisions. I wanted to teach my patients, to share information with them so that they could take initiative and make decisions to solve their own problems and improve their health."

She points out that some patients don't want to be empowered, and some doctors don't think some of their patients are capable of it. With busy doctor schedules, there is just not enough time to get patients up to speed.

Here's how she concludes:

Pamela Wible said...
Maybe "patient empowerment" is an oxymoron. A patient is usually captive waiting for medical care (which requires lots of patience), whereas empowerment assumes taking charge and having authority. The concept makes little sense. And it makes even less sense in the newborn intensive care unit, and emergency department. Some patients are simply incapable of shared decision-making.

So who holds the real power in the healthcare system? It's not the patient. And lately, it's not the doctor. Most docs I know are disillusioned—or worse. Assembly-line medicine has changed the medical landscape so that both doctor and patient are victims. Neither are particularly empowered.


/www.medscape.com/viewarticle/886159_1

The following study agrees that more time must be spent between clinician and patient, but also highlights the role that peer support (that's us!) can play. The study makes the following recommendations:

Chiauzzi said...
Clinicians: Greater attention needs to be paid to helping clinicians provide sufficient time to develop mutually acceptable treatment goals with patients, as well as attend to informational needs in difficult-to-treat conditions.

Patients: Educating patients about the importance of seeking support to improve knowledge and a sense of control may enhance empowerment, particularly in difficult-to-manage chronic conditions.

Researchers: Interpersonal and intrapersonal factors in empowerment have been identified but further research is needed to examine causal relationships among key constructs

/link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/s40271-016-0171-2

My first reaction is that no one, neither the patient nor the doctor, really wants responsibility for making life-and-death decisions. We all want the necessity of making such decisions to just go away. What if we're wrong? The patient hopes that the doctor is omniscient and therefore capable of playing God. So I think we have to first of all acknowledge that none of us has crystal balls, and that we are trying to make important decisions under uncertainty - uncertain outcomes, uncertain diagnostic info, uncertain research statistics, and uncertainty over how we will feel about it all in the future. Then we enter into a partnership with the doctor, holding neither accountable as long as we both do our best and don't screw up, where we proceed with humility and mutual respect. Only the doctor has the practical expertise, and only the patient knows what is most important to him. They can and should both raise options for mutual consideration. It is the mutuality of the working relationship that is the proper goal of patient empowerment. It's a scary thing to commit to, but I think it's unfair to lay the entire burden on the physician, and it's a responsibility that we can't really give to anyone else.
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lapilot
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Posted 10/13/2017 2:20 PM (GMT -8)
People need to take ownership of their health. Many times I have heard, "my doctor never told me about this or that." Yet these same people finds fault with the doctor for not notifying of specific medical tests or knowledge. Examples of women never getting a PAP or mammography then find fault on their practitioner when he diagnose cancer. Same goes for a man that never had a PSA test until his late 60s only to realize they have advance cancer.

Bottom line, health care require people to have proactive approach, not reactive approach to medicine. Knowledge can be the best remedy for successful health care outcome.
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Posted 10/13/2017 2:33 PM (GMT -8)
I knew nothing about prostate cancer when I was first told I had it - very close to 10 years ago. I have taken it as my responsibility to learn enough about it to feel at least slightly comfortable playing a role in the decision making of my treatment. Knowledge gives me at least a sense of power - although my doctors seem to have the most control over the course of treatment. Decisions made may not show you results for years down the road.

One thing I'll say about prostate cancer: it brings a whole new meaning to the term "patient".
Jeff (never have decided whether "I'm patient" or "impatient").
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mattam
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Posted 10/13/2017 2:58 PM (GMT -8)
Two quoted comments from the OPost jumped out at me, suggesting that many patients don’t want to be empowered, and many doctors don’t feel they have the time to educate patients. When I was having adjuvant radiation I spent a lot of time waiting with fellow patients for our turns, so we talked about PCa. I was quite surprised by the lack of knowledge many of them had about their diagnoses. Most didn’t know their stages or Gleason scores. One guy I spoke to, who was having salvage radiation, had never heard of ADT and seemed to be quite stricken when I explained it to him. Maybe most patients just want to be treated and then be done, without spending any time investigating.

My Uro was the poster guy for not wanting to spend time educating his patients. He seemed so crunched for time he made me anxious.
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halbert
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Posted 10/13/2017 3:39 PM (GMT -8)
If one wants to quibble about semantics, true patient empowerment may well be a myth. And, I think the comments about assembly-line medicine making things difficult to impossible for true patient education are right on point.

The key idea, though, is that patients who are kept in the loop are better off. And, yes, in the ER or the NICU, patients and families are generally not well equipped to make real decisions (and, having been through it recently, relatively few of us are probably equipped to make end of life decisions for our elderly parents).

What is the answer? I don't know. It's not simple or obvious.
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Tim G
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Posted 10/13/2017 6:13 PM (GMT -8)
In my opinion, empowerment is a baggy-pants word that is not very helpful in describing patient-physician interactions. Most patients, most of the time (forum members excepted) don't want to take the time or effort to fully participate in their medical care and decision-making. I have no issue with a 15-minute appointment with my PCP because I'm ready with questions, informed, and willing to participate in my care.

I do the same thing with my mother's medical care as I did with my father's before he died. She has had Alzheimer's Disease for seven years. I educated myself about the shopping bag full of diseases and conditions: congestive heart failure, idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis, dementia, etc. and worked with my parents (both from the 'fix-it-doc' generation) and their physicians to provide the best quality of life for them in their final years. Their appointments would be considered by some as 'assembly-line', but we utilized the time and physician's expertise efficiently and effectively.
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ASAdvocate
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Posted 10/13/2017 6:51 PM (GMT -8)
I think that experience is the teacher and mentor, if someone is willing to educate themselves.

Ten years ago, when my psa suddenly tripled (a spike), I would have followed ANY advice that the god-like urologist dictated, including RP. What did I know, and he could CURE my cancer. Luckily, we did a free psa, and he told me to check back in a year, avoiding any rash action.

Today, with a lot of years, both with age and with diagnosis, I would question any suggestion, such as another biopsy, even if it came from the top authority, if I thought he was applying some nomogram, which I felt an exception to. Oh yes, would dispute and make them prove (unless it was common sense obvious).

Newly diagnosed men don't have that confidence. But, they can acquire it, fairly quickly, by diving into research, forums, and support group meetings.
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island time
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Posted 10/13/2017 7:17 PM (GMT -8)
I'm guilty.

My PCP didn't believe a biopsy was necessary (for years). I instinctively felt it was warranted. I followed his lead....telling myself...."He's the doc...".(when the reality was....I wasn't sure I really wanted to know...and used his "expertise" as an excuse to not have one) Then....when symptoms developed....I demanded one...even in the face of his continuing objections. My cancer turned out to be close to the edge. So now....what do I do with a bad path? Blame my PCP for not ordering a biopsy earlier lol. I guess my point is....live and learn?

To the point of this thread....I can only speak to my experience. In the past 2 years....I've taken control of my own health care. And if a doc is paternal...it's...."You're fired."....and on a short leash at that. I've gone though 4 uros since my surgery....until I landed in the office of one who is 100 percent about getting me the information I need in order for shared decision making.

Get informed. And trust your instincts....until you find the right fit.

One more thing this has taught me.....it's just not possible....I mean....it really is impossible....for a doctor to explain everything that could go wrong in medicine. So....not unlike getting married....find someone you're compatible with....someone who gives you the power of choice....who can educate you with their expertise.....do your own homework....and don't be afraid of firing bad help.

After that.....as someone on this very forum so eloquently put it...."Trust Trust Trust' smile

edit: I'm also surprised at the number of people who know absolutely nothing about the diseases they have. They leave it 100% up to the doctors. That's something I *can* do with my car....but not my health. Not anymore.

Medical school used to indoctrinate (for lack of a better word, and not saying intentionally) that they're gods. I believe a lot of this should be...if it's not already.....be incorporated into their schooling.


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Bohemond
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Posted 10/13/2017 7:26 PM (GMT -8)
I wouldn't want to be an uninformed patient. Medicine is all about statistics - what will lead to the best outcome on average over a large population of patients. It's important that we as patients understand that when reading medical news. It's also important that we understand that when picking the brains of our doctors. That's what they are there for -- to offer judgment and guidance based on their experience (more extensive than ours) and their knowledge of new research (which may or may not be more extensive than ours). Decisions are easy when it's a matter of setting a broken arm. They are much more nuanced when it comes to conditions like prostate cancer where what to do next is much less clear-cut.
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island time
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Posted 10/13/2017 7:41 PM (GMT -8)
The doc I have now....he's unafraid of saying...."I don't know". (and he says it quite often at that)

It's why I trust him.
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lifeguyd
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Posted 10/13/2017 9:15 PM (GMT -8)
Eleven years ago, when I started on this prostate cancer odyssey, I was already familiar with the medical community. I had been dealing with an early diagnosis of extreme hypertension and high cholesterol as well as a severe degenerative spine condition and idiopathic neuropathy . So pain, pills, mri's and various medical offices were no stranger to me. My father's early death due to heart disease and stroke had alerted me to my possible future.

I really felt that I was empowered, that I would ask the right questions and follow the correct path to protect my health. So when my PCP informed me that due to my PSA (whats that?) and a found nodule indicated that I should go see a urologist about "PROSTATE CANCER".. I was ill prepared to deal with the next part of my medical journey. My urologist came highly recommended and explained he was the local head of robotic surgery at a well respected regional medical corporation. He didn't tell me that he had only about 90 procedures under his belt. I didn't find that out until later, and even then did not see it as a problem.

To say he bullied me would not be true, but he did push ahead telling me this was the best option for a Gleason 8 diagnosis. (what's a Gleason?) I tried my empowerment stuff, but he said he was the expert and 11 years ago there was not as much information out there. I moved slowly, but that was more a product of scheduling rather than searching for alternate treatments. When I asked why two of my friends had been treated with something called "brachytherapy", he said it wasn't the right treatment for me. and I believed him.


So what has Empowered me? This forum. Yep, after 11 years, I still click on to find new things and hear new stories. My condition is "somewhat stable", so I might or might not need further medical intervention. But I am better armed now to help make those decisions. Empowered..Your doctor is not necessarily your best source of information about your condition. There are (particularly with Pca) too many variables.
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jmadrid
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Posted 10/14/2017 2:14 AM (GMT -8)
The point after collecting much information is how we can use it. There is a great variety of doctors and our best approach should be complying with their ways with the goal of getting what each one of them can offer us. If I have to deal with a paternal surgeon that does not want to sit with me to discuss issues but, according to my information, he is skillful and reliable, I will.
In my experience, sometimes doctors can give a puntual wrong information or advice, but they have something that we have not, experience and instint after treating many patients. A well informed patient should value their advise, integrate it in what he already knows and finally judge by himself. Sometimes, it is easy to discuss or even make suggestions in a visit, but we cannot give by granted that the best doctor for us will be one with such as open mentality, at least when we need a treatment that requires great technical expertise.
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Pratoman
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Posted 10/14/2017 5:40 AM (GMT -8)
Good points,add in this thread, and I think what it does is point up the value of a forum like this FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO BE EMPOWERED.

I'm amazed that 3 of my friends/family members who have been treated for PC did not even know their Gleason score. So many patients as was alluded to, don't want to or are not capable of, being involved in their decisions about the best course. After all, it's a heavy burden, making your own decisions about a disease that could potentially shorten your life, or ruin your QOL.

And many, are just emotionally incapable, just can't deal, want to be told what to do.
Which makes it even more of a ...can't find the right word, so I'll use "crime" in a figurative way, ....that so many doctors are salesman (I actually had one surgeon say to me "look, the reality is that we're all salesman" in referring to him and his colleagues.

The people here, I think, come here for information, and find that they want to be empowered, so they stick around. It's been noted in the past, not as a pat on the back, but as a fact, that we, collectively, are a special group, unlike the general population.
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Posted 10/14/2017 5:59 AM (GMT -8)
Several here have mentioned being able to gather information, and use it.

I find another roadblock, being the applicable healthcare system itself (I'm not going off to politics, this can be applied to any healthcare system in the world). Unless you are rich enough to buy anything you want, you are at the mercy of some insurance / provider / payment system. I am in that morass right now. Agreed path, agreed meds, but we have to get approvals and find time slots that allow proper administration. And stay on top of those items constantly.

That is yet another process. And as things change, the rules can change without warning. Again, I've been in healthcare systems in half a dozen different countries, and all have faults, so don't go political on me.
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halbert
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Posted 10/14/2017 6:21 AM (GMT -8)
Well said, my friend. And I suspect that many doctors feel just as hamstringed by the system as we the patients feel.

And, Prato, you're so right: many, many patients don't want to be empowered, they don't want to deal with the questions and learning what would benefit them. And, I suspect, that a lot of the medical paternalism we see is a function of what the majority of patients want: Tell me what's wrong with me, assure me you can fix it, and tell me when I can get on the schedule. Doctors are so used to that role, that the questioning, digging, thinking patient is not deal with kindly because it's outside of their typical day.
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Posted 10/14/2017 7:14 AM (GMT -8)
Tall Allen is raising an important and timely issue here, as we now live in a age where the doctor-patient relationship has changed from what it used to be.

A few decades ago most would agree that the sovereignty of the doctor in the matter of medical decisions was essentially absolute, and society's expectation of the patient was to simply accept medical advice given and follow it. And many patients today are okay with that, and willing to follow without question their doctors' orders.

But today there is less of this attitude, and many more patients,for whatever their reasons, feel they can question, even resist, the decisions or recommendations of their physicians.

This may well get back to the general questioning of authority and institutions that began in the 1960s and can still be seen around us today. It can be defined essentially as a questioning of the "because I said so" approach that authority has used in the past. Whether that authority has been in medicine or something else, for many people that is no longer a good enough reason to accept the decisions of that authority.

From time to time we see the stress that this questioning can cause. Sometimes to the point of almost violent encounter, as in the example of this now viral video, which perhaps some of you have seen already, of a doctor losing it with a patient:

/www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmtWZGJw_JE

(It happened recently right here in my own hometown, Gainesville, FL, BTW, although it could have happened anywhere).

This video symbolizes very well the power issue between a doctor and a patient, in this case an extreme confrontation as to which one of them will assume the power in the situation.

There are likely many situations where doctors and patients feel like reacting in this way, but manage to maintain control, but in this case true feelings came out, and we see the result.

Whether that doctor was having a bad day, or the patient was being unreasonable, the underlying power struggle between the two of them came to the surface.

While this may have been less common in the past, it is more likely for this kind of confrontation to happen today, and it indicates a significant change of thinking among many patients about how power in the doctor-patient relationship should work.
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Posted 10/14/2017 9:34 AM (GMT -8)
Patient education is not much better in Europe. This study from Netherlands shows that men ready for decision have a poor understanding of how their treatment decision will affect their lives.
Prostate cancer patients unclear on differences among treatments
- Two-third of the patients did not understand that the risk of disease recurrence is comparable between RP and RT.
- More than half of the patients did not comprehend that RP patients are at greater risk for incontinence and erectile dysfunction, and less at risk for bowel problems compared to RT patients.
-Almost half of the patients overestimated the risk of requiring definitive treatment following AS, and did not understand that mortality rates following AS, RP, and RT are comparable.

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Tall Allen
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Posted 10/14/2017 9:47 AM (GMT -8)
I think she makes an interesting point about the relationship between empowerment and socio-economic class:

Dr. Wible said...
High empowerment may be found in urban dwellers who are educated, insured, and of higher socioeconomic status. Risk factors for low patient empowerment are lack of education, illiteracy, lower socioeconomic status, being elderly, being a child, being uninsured, residing in a rural area, and living in a community with little or no Internet access.

Whereas some physicians complain about patients arriving with pages of Internet research, other doctors (such as my physician friend who works at a community health center) have never encountered such a patient. "Physician opinions about empowered patients largely define who they treat," explains one doctor.

My impression is that many of the most frequent posters on HW are very highly educated (a key indicator of socioeconomic status). We are able to comprehend concepts of biology and medicine that many would find difficult. We are also comfortable engaging with people in positions of authority, and most have well-honed social skills that enable us to raise concerns without giving offense (as in that video).

Here's a conversation I had this week with a new man in my support group. He had just had his confirmation biopsy at the VA after a year on active surveillance and was considering surgery:

Me: What was your Gleason score?
Him: What's a Gleason score?
Me: When they looked at the cores taken during your biopsy, they evaluated how aggressive the cancer is.
Him: What's a core?
Me: The little bit of tissue the doctor extracted during the biopsy.
Him: Tissue? I don't remember any tissues.
Me: The flesh from your prostate that he pulled out with the needle.
Him: The doctor said it was 3 point 3 - is that the score?
Me: 3 plus 3, yes, that's it. How many cores were positive?
Him: It wasn't positive, it was bad.
Me: I mean, how many cores had cancer in them this time and how many last time?
Him: Two - both times.
Me: Then why do you want treatment now?
Him: The cancer is still there.
Me: Yes. It doesn't go away on its own. But the idea of active surveillance is that you catch it before it has a chance to spread. Often, cancers like yours never spread.
Him: The doctor told me to have surgery or radiation.
Me: Why?
Him: I don't know. He's the doctor.

He was also surprised that several men in the group had recurrences after surgery - he didn't know that was possible. He had come to the group looking for advice about supplements because his doctor hadn't recommended any. He wasn't stupid, but he lacked the basic medical vocabulary needed to formulate questions. He was fit and in good health, and had no experience with doctors or hospitals beyond check-ups. It is all a mystery to him.

I gave him my phone number, but he hasn't called. So the question is - how can I empower a patient like that? And is it in his best interest to even try, given the high probability for misunderstanding?
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Posted 10/14/2017 10:15 AM (GMT -8)
Often empowerment doesn't just happen; you have to do what you can to make it happen. The medical care system is just another system that one can either just cede one's autonomy to, or that one can maneuver within to one's maximum benefit, being assertive when it's called for.

I approach an interaction with a doctor with the expectation that we will be professional colleagues collaborating in dealing with my health issues. Toward that end I try to become well informed on the terms and issues involved, so that I can at least appear knowledgeable in the questions I ask (and believe me I will come in with questions). But there's more to it than that – I dress well for situations where I'm going to meet with doctors (either as a patient or as an advocate for someone else who is a patient), and I do try to get our doctor-patient conversations to be a first-name basis. I also make an effort to have a positive interaction with everyone I encounter along the way – it's useful to build up good will that you can call upon when you need to push for something. It helps a lot that I'm a professional myself, and while it's possible for anyone to approach the medical system with their best foot forward, to try to gain respect and better care, the truth is that the way I go about navigating the system probably isn't within the capabilities of most people.
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Posted 10/14/2017 1:31 PM (GMT -8)
I met with a primary care doc last year. As he was asking me questions, he seemed stunned that I knew all my blood test data, going back several years. Then, he threw some specific questions at me, which I knew the answers to.

Then he said "Well, only 2 or 3 percent of patients are as informed as you are. OK - since you are managing your health, I'll just perform the tests you ask for and refill prescriptions".

That was really an abdication of his responsibility. I didn't go to med school. Are doctors that afraid of informed patients? He has since been let go by that practice. Now I'll have to deal with another one.
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Posted 10/14/2017 3:49 PM (GMT -8)
The patient gets empowered by researching his disease and staying abreast of treatment Results and advances. This website is one place to do that. Letting the physician do all the work is unhelpful and frankly risky. I’ve found that being educated allows me to ask good questions and push physicians to be aggressive with treatments for me as a very high risk patient. I don’t think I’ve left much on the table in terms of treatments. At the same time I know who is the expert and it’s not me. My physicians and I are a team.
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Posted 10/14/2017 4:29 PM (GMT -8)
I am empowered, but I like to hire professionals with lots of education and experience to advise me.

However, I didn't feel so empowered when they hauled me into the emergency room and removed my gallbladder. I really wanted to have a long conversation with the doctors and take some time to research my options. I still think three weeks of high dose vitamin C with baking soda and a gluten free vegan diet would have been just as effective, however they ignored me, drugged me, and a surgeon removed my gallbladder just because, "You could die." What do doctors know about it? Give 'em access to drugs, knives and needles and they think they can do anything. Talk about not empowering the patient.

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Posted 10/14/2017 4:41 PM (GMT -8)
I had been on this site, just standing in the wings listening, for over a month before BX and then DX. Then another several weeks of "INTENSIVE" listening and by then asking.
When I began seeing surgeons and RO's, everyone commented on how well informed I was. I consider myself to be a beginner, barely knowledgeable at all.
Last week I saw a new PCP. I am a Vet and all of my records are with the VA so I didn't know how much of my past the new PA/PCP could or did find out about me so I created and took with me a print out of the last 8-10 years worth of Cholesterol, PSA, A1C, BP, weight, medications to include herbals and several other items. He was absolutely floored by it but when he recovered he stated " we are going to be able to take good care of you" I knew that I had found a PCP that I could deal with and feel totally comfortable with. He did what I asked of him at that visit and also suggested things he felt needed to be addressed.

I feel that a medical professional should always inform the patient, as in an earlier comment concerning never having had a PSA test and then complaining. A Med professional should be telling any man past 40YO about the implications PRO/CON of PSA testing and then leave it to the patient. That failing is why I am dealing with PCa today at age 69 instead of, most likely, at age 65 and with a lower GS. Not that treatment would have been much different but at least it would have been my decision instead of the PCP's.

May all beings be well.
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Posted 10/15/2017 2:53 AM (GMT -8)
Great dialog everyone. I suspect that empowerment is both an attitude and a skill, and it is not restricted to health care. People have trouble buying cars and knowing enough, making choices about investments, and many other important lie decisions.

Decision making is the critical issue. All significant life chouses, in the end, require us to choose. Empowerment, IMHO, is having enough confidence to say I want more information, I will find the best option and not abdicating due to laziness, poor self-image on the particular issue, etc.

I knew within a day or so that I would never go back to my first Uro, within 15 minutes of telling me I had PC, he wanted to schedule surgery and I was G6. In my state of shock, I said ok let me think about it.

Now 4 months later and I am still weighing my options but I know a lot more.

Sure there is some complexity to learning about this disease and there are many good resources available to aid in our education. I also believe we have an internal ability (my intuition) that can guide me when I am not feeling right about something time to say slow down let's talk about it.
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Posted 10/15/2017 2:56 AM (GMT -8)
Wow what a great thread, I believe that our world has changed so drastically in the last 20 yrs. and it has completely turned us into an instant gratification society which is so sad especially when it comes to a serious disease like we have. Just turn on the tv there's a pill for every problem we have, now we are getting blasted with medicare plans that all look just peachy we carry around a computer in our pockets that have more power than the computers that first sent men to the moon. The age of information is absolutely fantastic but at what cost? Yes for us guys that want to learn about our disease it's great but then we go to a doctor who because of the health care system which is only interested in the bottom dollar the doctor can't spend the time to take advantage of this and thus form a team with patient and doctor for what's best for the patient. I have a good friend who's a doctor and a pilot we were at the airport the other day and he was wound up like a fiddle. He said they are now considering cutting back some of the requirements for med school and using the web to replace it. He showed me the web site on his iphone where you just put in the symptoms of the patient and it pops up the diagnosis, and the treatment options usually almost including drugs of course and baam your done on to the next one. I have had 3 major surgeries this year and in only one of them have I seen my doctor the second time it's always a nurse practitioner or physicians assistant that you see after. The other thing that really sets him off is the people that are grossly overweight, drunks, and druggies that come in week after week demanding treatment he said wouldn't it be great to tell these people go and don't come back until you are ready to take responsibility and do something about your problem instead of just coming to the clinic or hospital for another drug. Like he said then they would have time to spend on people that have a serious medical condition. Isn't it sad that most of the police depts. in the USA are now carrying Narcan to combat Heroin OD. So what I guess I'm trying to say without the web we wouldn't have this forum and be able to access so much info about our disease but we have to be diligent, informed but remembering to always keep a balance with our info and the doctor's experience and knowledge not always easy to do.
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