Cancer and Drinking

New Topic Post Reply Printable Version
27 posts in this thread.
Viewing Page :
 1  2 
[ << Previous Thread | Next Thread >> ]

Tim G
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jul 2006
Total Posts : 2226
   Posted 11/7/2017 6:47 PM (GMT -7)   
An article in The Journal of Oncology contains a statement connecting alcohol use--even light drinking--with an increase in risk for a number of cancers.

/www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/well/live/cancer-doctors-cite-risks-of-drinking-alcohol.html?ribbon-ad-idx=10&rref=well

What are your thoughts about this? I know that many of you use diet and dietary supplements as an aid to prevent cancer recurrence.

InTheShop
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jan 2012
Total Posts : 7912
   Posted 11/7/2017 8:37 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm doomed...
I'll be in the shop.
Age 57, 52 at DX
PSA:
4.2 10/11, 1.9 6/12, 1.2 12/12, 1.0 5/13, .6 11/13,
.7 5/14, .5 10/14, .5 4/15, .3 10/15, .3 4/16, .4 10/16, .4 5/17, .3 10/17
G 3+4
Stage T1C
2 out of 14 cores positive
Treatment IGRT - 2/2012
My latest blog post

Fairwind
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jul 2010
Total Posts : 3556
   Posted 11/7/2017 11:23 PM (GMT -7)   
The human race has been drinking alcohol for at least 9000 years..But we are living longer than we ever have.....
Age now 75 . Diagnosed G-9 6/2010. RALP, Radiation failed
Lupron, Zytiga, PSA <0.1 10/16 no change <0.1 5/17 PSA 1.6 Chemo or Provenge next..Sept '17, PSA now 9.2. ADT including Zytiga has failed. Will investigate treatment options. 11/17 PET/CT clear, but 4 new bone mets..Going to try Xtandi and see how I respond to that..

Howard3569
Regular Member


Date Joined Nov 2014
Total Posts : 261
   Posted 11/8/2017 12:33 AM (GMT -7)   
Just do it in moderation.

Subdenis
Regular Member


Date Joined Aug 2017
Total Posts : 218
   Posted 11/8/2017 1:49 AM (GMT -7)   
The article does not say stop drinking. I don't drink anymore, had my fair share early!
Denis
65YO healthy man, PSA 5/17 4.6, MPMRI, 5/17 lesion. 13 core biopsy 3 positive 3+3 and one positive in a lesion, All cores less than 30% 8/17 - the second opinion Yale pathology shows a small amount of (3+4) in one core, < 5%, decipher test shows intermediate risks, looking at treatment options. MRI in 11/17 to see if there are changes.
Colchester, CT summer, Clermont FL winter. Thanks Denis

Steve n Dallas
Veteran Member


Date Joined Mar 2008
Total Posts : 4774
   Posted 11/8/2017 2:31 AM (GMT -7)   
The article was discussed on NBC's National News last night.

I'll go with the "I'm doomed" reply.

Worried Guy
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jul 2009
Total Posts : 3726
   Posted 11/8/2017 4:37 AM (GMT -7)   
I saw the NBC article. It mentioned moderate and heavy drinking as having an effect - in some cases a very big effect 500% increase. Light drinking was only mentioned once as a 4% increase in breast cancer.
The take away is if you are a heavy drinker try to back off to moderate. If you are moderate try to back off to light.
We sort of knew this already. They just quantified it for us.

NKinney
Veteran Member


Date Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts : 686
   Posted 11/8/2017 5:17 AM (GMT -7)   
I'll prefer to think of the cancer fighting and heart healthy resveratrol benefits in my nightly wine. I know the red is best for you, but we had a nice bottle of chilled buttery, oaky Chardonnay with the salmon I grilled with hickory chips last night. Come to think of it, we did also topped that all off with a glass of high resveratrol Cab, just to stay balanced.

Stay thirsty, my friends.

Post Edited (NKinney) : 11/8/2017 11:36:13 AM (GMT-7)


Paxton
Veteran Member


Date Joined Aug 2016
Total Posts : 883
   Posted 11/8/2017 5:52 AM (GMT -7)   
I'll agree with Jonathan Winters. . .

"I don't drink anymore. . . but I don't drink any less, either."
Age 68 at Dx
PSA history: 2000-2012 0.9-1.2; 06/2012 started T replacement
2013-2015 3.0-3.3 (new normal); 11/2015 4.6; 05/2016 5.7
Biopsy: 12-core biopsy 07/2016; 3 cores G3+3, 5% or less; 1 core 3+4, 15%; 1 core HGPIN; 2% of gland involved. Summary G3+4.
CyberKnife SBRT with Dr. Hirsch; start 11/15/16, finish 11/23

BillyBob@388
Veteran Member


Date Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts : 2592
   Posted 11/8/2017 7:57 AM (GMT -7)   
Somebody said...
The paper stated clearly that alcohol plays a causal role in cancers of the throat and neck, voice box, liver and colon, as well as esophageal squamous cell carcinoma and, in women, breast cancer.

For women, just one alcoholic drink a day can increase breast cancer risk, according to a report released in May from the American Institute for Cancer Research and the World Cancer Research Fund that was cited by ASCO. That report analyzed 119 studies, including data on 12 million women and over a quarter of a million breast cancer cases, and concluded there was strong evidence that alcohol consumption increases the risk of both pre- and postmenopausal cancer, and that drinking a small glass of wine or beer every day — about 10 grams of alcohol — increases premenopausal breast cancer risk by 5 percent and postmenopausal risk by 9 percent.

“The more you drink, the higher the risk,” said Dr. Clifford A. Hudis, the chief executive of ASCO. “It’s a pretty linear dose-response.”............Even those who drink moderately, defined by the Centers for Disease Control as one daily drink for women and two for men, face nearly a doubling of the risk for mouth and throat cancer and more than double the risk of squamous cell carcinoma of the esophagus, compared to nondrinkers. Moderate drinkers also face elevated risks for cancers of the voice box, female breast cancer and colorectal cancers......

The risk for heavy drinkers — defined as eight or more drinks a week for women and 15 or more a week for men, including binge drinkers — are multiples higher. Heavy drinkers face roughly five times the risk of mouth and throat cancers and squamous cell esophageal cancers than nondrinkers, nearly three times the risk of cancers of the voice box or larynx, double the risk of liver cancer, as well as increased risks for female breast cancer and colorectal cancer.

“If you look at these figures, you see alcohol is a contributing factor; certainly it has a causal role,” Dr. Hudis said.

The International Agency for Research on Cancer, which is part of the World Health Organization, first classified the consumption of alcoholic beverages as carcinogenic to humans in 1987, tying consumption to cancers of the mouth, throat, voice box, esophagus and liver, said Susan Gapstur, vice president for epidemiology at the American Cancer Society.

Since then, she said, more and more evidence has accumulated tying alcohol to a broader group of cancers, including colorectal cancer and, in women, breast cancer. A more recent I.A.R.C. report concluded that alcohol “is a cause of cancers of the oral cavity, pharynx, larynx, esophagus, colorectum, liver and female breast.” (The esophageal cancer is largely specific to squamous cell carcinoma.)

“The story of alcohol has been quite consistent and has been peeled away like an onion over time, and we’re continuing to learn more about the mechanisms involved,” Dr. Gapstur said. “We don’t have randomized trials, but sometimes when you start looking at the coherence of all the evidence, including the observational epidemiology, the lab studies, the mechanistic studies, you begin to see a picture and get more clarity.”


So, PC off the hook yet again? It appears PC does not gobble sugar like other cancers seem to, but rather prefers fat. Although, there is still the question of insulin vs PC, and more recently triglycerides, both of which are dramatically raised by sugar. But limiting specifically to the concept of PC cells loving sugar, we dodged the bullet. But have we done it again with alcohol?

But as far as other cancers go, am I committing an only slightly slower suicide- regarding most cancers other than PC- when I wash down my pasta and dessert(both sugar) with my Cab Sauv? They have already taken sex away from me, now this? rolleyes
PSA 10.9 ~112013
Bx on 112013 at age ~65yrs, with 5 of 12 pos with one G9(5+4), 1 PNI, T2B.
RALP with lymph nodes at Vanderbilt 021914. (nodes clear, SV+, G9 down graded to 4+5, cut wide, but 1 tiny foci right at the edge of margin ) Pros. 106.7 gms!
At 15 months, not wearing a pad most days, mostly dry
PSA <.01 on 6/14 and all until 9/15 = .01, still .01 9/16, .02 on 3/17,6/17,10/17

RandyJoe
Regular Member


Date Joined Jan 2015
Total Posts : 270
   Posted 11/8/2017 8:42 AM (GMT -7)   
Billybob,

I remembered reading somewhere that aggressive prostate cancer had been linked to heavy alcohol consumption (especially beer). I found the link.

https://consumer.healthday.com/general-health-information-16/misc-alcohol-news-13/heavy-drinking-linked-to-aggressive-prostate-cancer-628912.html
55 at dx PSA-7/'14: 26
Bx-8/14: 8 of 8 cores+(80-100%) GL7;
9/14-Bone/CT Neg.
10/22/14: RP
Post-Surg Path:GL9; LN+; margins+; SV+, L Bladder neck+
pT3bN1
PSA-7 wks post op-10.0; 11 wks post op-14.2;
ADT 1/15 to1/16
F18 PET/Chest CT/MRI-Neg. (3/15)
SRT complete 7/6/15
9/15 to 3/16 PSA <.05
PSA 6/10/16 .46; 7/8/16 1.0; 8/2/16 1.2; 8/26/16 1.7; 9/22/16 2.5
10/16- EMBARK
6/17-PSA<.05-meds stopped

JNF
Veteran Member


Date Joined Dec 2010
Total Posts : 3388
   Posted 11/8/2017 9:18 AM (GMT -7)   
So to BillyBob's point about PCa preferring fat over sugar does that mean I have to give up my bacon strip garnish on my Bloody Mary? Oh yeah, hopefully I don't think I can get PCa again so never mind the question.
PSA 59 on 8-26-2010 age 60. Biopsy 9-8-2010 12/12 positive, 20-80% involved, PNI in 3 cores, G 3+3,3+4,and 4+3=G7, T2b.
Eligard and Jalyn started on 10-7-2010. IMRT to prostate and lymph nodes started on 11-8-2010, HDR Brachytherapy December 6 and 13, 2010.
PSA < .1 since February 2011. Located in Cumming Georgia north of Atlanta

BillyBob@388
Veteran Member


Date Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts : 2592
   Posted 11/8/2017 9:20 AM (GMT -7)   
RandyJoe said...
Billybob,

I remembered reading somewhere that aggressive prostate cancer had been linked to heavy alcohol consumption (especially beer). I found the link.

https://consumer.healthday.com/general-health-information-16/misc-alcohol-news-13/heavy-drinking-linked-to-aggressive-prostate-cancer-628912.html


Well, crap!

Fairwind
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jul 2010
Total Posts : 3556
   Posted 11/8/2017 10:22 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm thinking that drinking straight 80-90 proof booze is a lot worse than beer or wine....
Age now 75 . Diagnosed G-9 6/2010. RALP, Radiation failed
Lupron, Zytiga, PSA <0.1 10/16 no change <0.1 5/17 PSA 1.6 Chemo or Provenge next..Sept '17, PSA now 9.2. ADT including Zytiga has failed. Will investigate treatment options. 11/17 PET/CT clear, but 4 new bone mets..Going to try Xtandi and see how I respond to that..

Tony Crispino
Veteran Member


Date Joined Dec 2006
Total Posts : 8121
   Posted 11/8/2017 10:25 AM (GMT -7)   
"I have always been a friend of the drinking man; I respect him for his courage to withdraw from the world of the thinking man."
~ W.C. Fields
BioSketch tinyurl.com/mw36q72

Advanced PCa Survivor (dx in 2006)
Patient Representative at ASCO, SWOG, AUA, SUO, ASTRO
NCI Prostate Task Force Panelist
UsTOO Las Vegas Chapter Chairman

I am not a medical doctor.

NKinney
Veteran Member


Date Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts : 686
   Posted 11/8/2017 1:57 PM (GMT -7)   
Fairwind said...
I'm thinking that drinking straight 80-90 proof booze is a lot worse than beer or wine....


No, that doesn't appear to be the case at all, within the context of the article (in other words, excluding things like the extra calories in your girlie wine coolers). The unit of measure is grams of alcohol...not whatever else is blended with it. Read the article.

garyi
Regular Member


Date Joined Jun 2017
Total Posts : 238
   Posted 11/8/2017 5:38 PM (GMT -7)   
Guys.....we're all gonna die, and many times those last few years aren't the most pleasant, based on the assisted living facilities I've visited.

My advise, enjoy a drink, party on and RELAX...
70 years old @ Dx, LUTS for 7 years
PSA's never over 3.0
Ulcerative Colitis since 1973
TURP 2/16, G3+4 discovered,
3T MRI fusion guided biopsy 6/16
14 cores; G 3+3, one G3+4, Grade T1b
Second 3T MRI 1/17
RALP 7/17 Dr. Gonzaglo The Univ of Miami
G3+4 Organ confined
pT2c pNO pMn/a
Mostly Dry
10 week PSA .32
12 week PSA .40
14 week PSA .42
It's called Persistent PSA
Decipher & DCFPyL PET Scan

Bohemond
Veteran Member


Date Joined Apr 2012
Total Posts : 846
   Posted 11/8/2017 8:56 PM (GMT -7)   
I thought I remembered a Mark Twain quote to the effect that he believed in temperance, but only if practiced in moderation.

I just googled and couldn't find it, but I did find this:

"Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself."
- autograph inscription in album to Mrs. Rutherford B. Hayes, reported in The Washington Post, June 11, 1881

As for me, these days my limit is a few glasses of wine on the weekend. But tonight - halfway through a week from techno-hell (computer problems - don't ask) -- I've gone hog wild and had two glasses of not very good Chardonnay on a Wednesday night.
Age 71
-2002-PSA 9.4, 5 of 10 cores positive - 30-50%.
-RP April 2002. PT3B N0 MX Gleason=7 (3+4), 75% left lobe; small focus rt lobe.
-PSA low of 0.01; slow rise to 0.4 (Aug 2009).
-SRT Jan/Feb 2010. One lymph node targeted. Casodex 3 months during SRT -PSA 0.00 through Apr 2014;
-0.02 Oct 2014; 0.04 Apr 2016; 0.23 Oct 2016; 0.51 Jan 2017; 0.64 Mar 2017, 0.92 Jun 2017, 1.54 Oct 2017

BillyBob@388
Veteran Member


Date Joined Mar 2014
Total Posts : 2592
   Posted 11/8/2017 10:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Bohemond said...
I thought I remembered a Mark Twain quote to the effect that he believed in temperance, but only if practiced in moderation.

I just googled and couldn't find it, but I did find this:

"Total abstinence is so excellent a thing that it cannot be carried to too great an extent. In my passion for it I even carry it so far as to totally abstain from total abstinence itself."
- autograph inscription in album to Mrs. Rutherford B. Hayes, reported in The Washington Post, June 11, 1881

As for me, these days my limit is a few glasses of wine on the weekend. But tonight - halfway through a week from techno-hell (computer problems - don't ask) -- I've gone hog wild and had two glasses of not very good Chardonnay on a Wednesday night.


A good save for the evening!

John_TX
Veteran Member


Date Joined Jan 2015
Total Posts : 857
   Posted 11/9/2017 6:57 AM (GMT -7)   
I thought this thread was about if you have cancer, drink up.
DX - 1-13-2015 (age 66) -- PSA 4.02 (9-16-2014) to 4.38 (12-5-2014)
RALP on March 2, 2015
G6 to G7(3+4) to G7(4+3)
Stage pT3aN1
10/2017 PSA < 0.1
7/31/2015 HT - six month's injection of Lupron
ART 11/2015, 33 sessions

MK1965
Regular Member


Date Joined Jun 2016
Total Posts : 73
   Posted 11/9/2017 8:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Research and researchers are very often biased especially those doing research for TV. I would not relay on authenticity of this research. I know for sure alcohol consumption has multiple negative effects but if it’s done every day for many years.
Those who enjoy glass of wine, bottle of beer or shot of whiskey can still enjoy it without guilt.
I am non drinker but used to hang with my friends who all drunk more or less and I was always designated driver.
Neither one of my friends had so far any cancer (50-56 age range) but me. Most of them are also smokers and few are overweight.
So, life is short. Anything should be enjoyed in moderation.
Might try wine one night.
MK
51 y/o @ dX and surgery.
No ED before RALP, not on any medication,
TRUS Biopsy 8/16 Gleason 7b (4+3) 1/12 cores 10% RALP 11/2/16 Gleason 7 (3+4) pT2c -LN, - margins,Organ contained.
Continent 99% at 3 months
Total ED, started Cialis @ 10 weeks, VED@4 months PSA<0.01 @7 weeks & 5 months, TRIMIX @6 months, nothing spontaneous at 10 months, 100% ED, lost 2+ inches of length, nonexistent orgasams

Redwing57
Veteran Member


Date Joined Apr 2013
Total Posts : 2291
   Posted 11/9/2017 1:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Risk ratios always bother me. The media create blaring headlines, to the effect "Doing x increases risk of y by 500%!". You have to look at the real risk number. Going from 1 in a billion to 5 in a billion is a 500% increase!!, so a Very Bad Thing!!. No, it's not. Just makes for sensational headlines.

Anyway, just thought I'd point it out. I'm not interested in their so-called research. All they're doing is trying to get clicks on web content to drive advertising revenue. Or, "eyeballs" for TV ratings, again for ad revenue. Real data is devilishly hard to obtain and analyze. Look at the arguments that happen here, among fairly well-read people.

I like the thought of everything in moderation, including moderation.
55@Dx 4/16/13
Bx: 6/12 pos, G9=5+4 (80%, 60%), 4+5 (2@100%, 80%, 10%), PNI+
cT3a (3T mpMRI: Bilateral EPE, NVB+, SV-, LN-)

Pre:
Date PSA fPSA
9/12 4.1 15%
3/13 5.2 12% PCA3=31

Tx:
IGRT by IMRT, 44 done 8/28/13: 50.4 Gy pelvic nodes, 79.2 Gy prostate
ADT2 3 yrs: Lupron/Casodex, ended 3/16

PSA <0.1 : 8/13 - 5/16;
steadying! - 0.2-8/16, 0.5-12/16, 0.7-3/17, 0.8-5/17, 0.8-7/17, 0.7-10/17

Skypilot56
Regular Member


Date Joined Mar 2017
Total Posts : 206
   Posted 11/9/2017 3:10 PM (GMT -7)   
Well guys I don't drink, don't smoke, take a 81mg aspirin everyday been running, biking, cross country skiing, all my life just got done snowshoeing 4 miles and after surgery well lets just say that sex is something from the good old days!! turn In fact I heard it a lot at work " Well Larry all that good living, exercising and eating right didn't do you much good hey? " So they can shove all those reports and whatever else to you know where!!!!! If you gonna get this darn disease your gonna get it!!!!! There that's my vent for the day gotta be the Lupron!! LOL
Male 61 DX @ 60
Father had PC
2002. Psa. .08 Enlarged Prostrate
2014. Psa. 3.8
2016. Psa. 19
3-08-17 RP Mayo Clinic Mn
Path Report: Gleason 9, pt3b, Seminal vessels and one nerve removed, negative margins, 35 lymph nodes removed no cancer, Prostrate 45 grams
4-20-17 Incarcerated Umbilical Hernia
6-13-17 1st psa check 0.13
7-19-17 psa 0.12 MRI clear
10-11-17 psa 0.16
10-12-17 Lupron started

NKinney
Veteran Member


Date Joined Oct 2013
Total Posts : 686
   Posted 11/9/2017 4:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Redwing57 said...
Anyway, just thought I'd point it out. I'm not interested in their so-called research. All they're doing is trying to get clicks on web content to drive advertising revenue. Or, "eyeballs" for TV ratings, again for ad revenue.


Uhhhh...since when did you think that the Journal of Clinical Oncology was trying to get "eyeballs" for ratings?



Redwing57 said...
Risk ratios always bother me. The media create blaring headlines, to the effect "Doing x increases risk of y by 500%!". You have to look at the real risk number. Going from 1 in a billion to 5 in a billion is a 500% increase!!, so a Very Bad Thing!!. No, it's not. Just makes for sensational headlines.


Buuuuut...neither 1 nor 5 in a billion is anything like:

  • 12-14% of US population with a current alcohol use disorder
  • 3.5% of all cancer deaths in the US attributable to alcohol



Look, if your point is to not get carried away with this, that's fine and I agree. But using grossly exaggerated statements meant to oppose the published data only nullifies or weakens your argument.

Post Edited (NKinney) : 11/9/2017 4:23:11 PM (GMT-7)


lapilot
Veteran Member


Date Joined Nov 2012
Total Posts : 811
   Posted 11/9/2017 4:16 PM (GMT -7)   
My family doctor told me to drink a glass of red wine many years ago and I took up his advice. Several years later he told me to take a baby aspirin everyday, and again I took up his advice. I don't have any regrets for either prophylactic choice.

People are living longer, and cancers and dementia are becoming more prevalent as the population ages. Maybe, our bodies are telling us that we weren't suppose to live into the 70's, 80's and above. The only remedy is for science to catch up to treat all of the ills of old age.
Age 60, mpMRI 8/18/13 negative
biopsy 9/5/13, PSA 6.2, 13 core of which 6 are postive
pT2pNO
left laterial base 10% G6(3+3)
left laterial apex 10% G6(3+3)
right base 15% G7(3+4)
right laterial base 15% G6(3+3)
right laterial mid 60% G6(3+3)
right lateral apex 20% G6(3+3)
daVinci 11/11/13
path T2c N0 Stage IIB
PSA 0.1 to 11/15 then 0.2
11/15 IGRT 39 sessions 72 grays. ZERO problems.
New Topic Post Reply Printable Version
27 posts in this thread.
Viewing Page :
 1  2 
Forum Information
Currently it is Monday, November 20, 2017 12:11 PM (GMT -7)
There are a total of 2,895,849 posts in 317,837 threads.
View Active Threads


Who's Online
This forum has 157446 registered members. Please welcome our newest member, KatieBerns.
397 Guest(s), 16 Registered Member(s) are currently online.  Details
NicHostetler, NYguy, KB69, Lou lou, Dahlias, celerity-dad, Pirouette, Michael_T, Immunity, Hope4Happiness, cakegirl, bellabee123, MarkInNova, Lynnster, Mustard Seed, tiredofallthispoop


About Us | Advertise | Donate
Newsletter | Privacy Policy & Disclaimer
Follow HealingWell.com on Facebook Follow HealingWell.com on Twitter Follow HealingWell.com on Pinterest
©1996-2017 HealingWell.com LLC  All Rights Reserved.