Cancer and Drinking

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   Posted 11/9/2017 6:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Even though I agree with Norm regarding the exaggerated statements, I do think Redwing brings up a great point about how literature is often presented in the press. When you hear X doubles the risk of Y, look at the numbers represented before stressing out.

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PSA May 2012--2.5
PSA Aug 2012--2.2
PSA Nov 2012--2.9
PSA Feb 2013--2.8
PSA May 2013--2.1
PSA Aug 2013--2.3
PSA Nov 2013--2.5
PSA May 2014--1.1
PSA Dec 2014--0.8
PSA Jun 2015--0.5
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PSA Mar. 2017--0.3

Tall Allen
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   Posted 11/9/2017 7:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Association is not causation. A randomized clinical trial is the only way to prove a cause/effect relation. A moment's reflection will convince anyone that there are many carcinogenic factors that may be associated with higher alcohol intake - genetic factors, socio-economic factors, poor nutrition, endocrine effects stemming from the factors that drive increased alcohol consumption (e.g., stress response), poor exercise habits, etc. Yet the media always report stuff like this as if they are causative factors. Usually the NY Times does a better job.

At any rate, "alcohol intake was directly associated with the risk of hormone-dependent cancers and breast cancer but not prostate cancer." It was only among heavy drinkers with low fiber intake that there was an association with prostate cancer. This suggests that poor nutrition among heavy drinkers may be the real cause. Eat your vegetables, and drink up!
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