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JOKERWILD477
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Posts : 65
Posted 8/13/2018 7:50 PM (GMT -7)
Had RP with persistent PSA,my surgeon wanted to wait 3 month retest after a rise to .21,but by me reading here on HW I knew I had to do it ASAP so I got a second opinion and went with radiation,my question is do I need to update my surgeon with my outcome from radiation
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InTheShop
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Posts : 11059
Posted 8/13/2018 8:01 PM (GMT -7)
Only if you're going to be treated by that URO again.
I'll be in the shop.
Age 58, 52 at DX
PSA:
4.2 10/11, 1.9 6/12, 1.2 12/12, 1.0 5/13, .6 11/13,
.7 5/14, .5 10/14, .5 4/15, .3 10/15, .3 4/16, .4 10/16, .4 5/17, .3 10/17 .3 4/18
G 3+4
Stage T1C
2 out of 14 cores positive
Treatment IGRT - 2/2012
My latest blog post
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142
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Posted 8/13/2018 11:01 PM (GMT -7)
I would update any docs involved, just in case an insurance claim or later medical situation should arise.
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(Not a medical professional)
DaVinci 10/09
IGRT journey (2010) -
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=1756808
HT (Lupron) 9/12-3/13, 6/14 to present
Prolia 6-mo inj 12/12 to present
Casodex started 12/14, end 3/15 after psa 30% rise
Zytiga 04-07/15 Xtandi 04/16-8/17
Taxotere 10/17-?
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Tall Allen
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Posts : 10645
Posted 8/13/2018 11:02 PM (GMT -7)
What is it his business?
Allen - not an MD
•PSA=7.3, prostate volume=55cc, 8/17 cores G6 5-35% involvement
•SBRT 9 yr onc. results •SBRT 7 yr QOL results
•treated 10/2010 at age 57 at UCLA,PSA now: 0.1,no lasting urinary, rectal or sexual SEs
my PC blog
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142
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Posted 8/13/2018 11:11 PM (GMT -7)
TA -
When I needed to get medical confirmation of my situation, a doc who is not in today's rotation wrote the authorization when Social Security sent out a blanket request for confirmation of my disability request. He could not have done that if I had not kept him in the loop.

May not have been his business, but he stepped up when others did not, saving me a lot of work and grief.

Keeping all my docs in the loop was of extreme value to me.
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DaVinci 10/09
IGRT journey (2010) -
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=1756808
HT (Lupron) 9/12-3/13, 6/14 to present
Prolia 6-mo inj 12/12 to present
Casodex started 12/14, end 3/15 after psa 30% rise
Zytiga 04-07/15 Xtandi 04/16-8/17
Taxotere 10/17-?
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Fairwind
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Posts : 4080
Posted 8/14/2018 5:44 AM (GMT -7)
I agree with 142 on this one..While you are probably done with that surgeon / uro, you just never know..Ask your RO to send a copy of your records to the surgeon. (He may have already done so)..It won't hurt anything to keep him/her in the loop..I can almost guarantee you before the RO treated you he obtained a complete copy of your records from the surgeon so the surgeon already is aware of your radiation treatment....
Age now 75 . Diagnosed G-9 6/2010. RALP, Radiation failed
Lupron, Zytiga, PSA <0.1 10/16 no change <0.1 5/17 PSA 1.6 Chemo or Provenge next..Sept '17, PSA now 9.2. ADT including Zytiga has failed. Will investigate treatment options. 11/17 PET/CT clear, but 4 new bone mets..Going to try Xtandi and see how I respond to that..3/2018 PSA now 54, chemo next. 5?10/18, PSA 200, Dosetaxel started..
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Bohemond
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Posts : 1191
Posted 8/14/2018 6:13 AM (GMT -7)
Yes, keep your uro in the information loop. You may need him/her again in the future for a different or related issue. I thought I was done with my uro a few years ago after I moved on to an RO and then an MO. A few months ago when I needed a temporary kidney stent I went back to the same uro -- he knows my medical history and my MO's office sent him my latest scans.

Jim
Age 72
-2002-PSA 9.4, 5 of 10 cores 30-50%
-RP 2002 PT3B N0 MX Gleason 3+4 75% left lobe small focus rt lobe
-PSA low 0.01 slow rise to 0.4
-SRT 2010 1 lymph node targeted. Casodex during SRT
-PSA 0.00 thu 2014
-0.02 Oct '14; 0.04 Apr '16; 0.51 Jan '17; 2.46 Jan '18, 4.19 Apr '18; 6.62 May '18 start Firmagon; PSA 0.45 Jun; 0.08 Jul '18; 0.03 Aug '18
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fiddlecanoe
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Posts : 561
Posted 8/14/2018 6:36 AM (GMT -7)
After you finish the radiation treatment, you won't really have anything more to do with the RO. I continue to see my URO, even though he doesn't have anything to do with cancer treatment after surgery is done, and he is the one who orders my periodic PSA tests. If your URO is offended that you sought RT before he thought it was needed, that's a good sign you need a new one.

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Michael_T
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Posts : 3361
Posted 8/14/2018 6:57 AM (GMT -7)
I would tell him. There's no downside to doing so, unless you're concerned about ticking him off. (And your decision shouldn't upset him anyway.)
Age 57, Diagnosed at 51
PSA 9.6, Gleason: 9 (5+4), three 7s (3+4)
Chose triple play of HDR brachy, IMRT and HT (Casodex, Lupron and Zytiga)
Completed HT (18 months) in April 2014
3/18: PSA = 0.09
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Pratoman
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Posts : 7397
Posted 8/14/2018 7:05 AM (GMT -7)
If for no other reason, I would send him data as a common courtesy, assuming of course you have any kind of relationship with him/her.

This speaks to another issue/question that we deal with.... who’s your quarterback? I recall asking my Uro/Surgeon , when I first visited with him, what happens after the surgery? He said, you see me, I’ll be your quarterback, I’ll be your Urologist, and help you through any issues, after the surgery, and beyond.

The truth is, in this disease, at least for the guys here, we are our own quarterback. There is not one doctor that oversees our PC treatment, maybe some of us talk to our PC , but they know less then many of us here.
So because of the lack of black and white for follow up treatment if needed, we are in charge.

That’s a good enough reason though, IMO, to keep the primary treating doc informed along the way. You never know when you may want to consult him/her
I am not a doctor, just another guy without a prostate
Dx Age 64 Nov 2014, PSA 4.3
BX 3 of 12 cores positive original pathology G6
RALP with Dr Ash Tewari Jan 6, 2015
Post surgical pathology G7 (3+4), - ECE, - Margins, -LN, -SV (+ frozen section apex converted to negative)
PSA @ 6 weeks 2/15, .<02, remained <0.02 until January 2017, .02, repeat Feb 2017, still .02. May 2017-.033, August 2017- .033 November .046, March 2018 .060. June 2018 .068
Decipher test, low risk, .37 score
My story.... tinyurl.com/qgyu3xq
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Tall Allen
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Posted 8/14/2018 8:51 AM (GMT -7)
Now, with shared medical records (since Obamacare) every doctor you see has access to all your medical records. There is no need to keep them informed - if they care to look, they will know exactly what you are doing. I don't believe you owe them anything or that it is courteous to do so - they have done their job. They are also generally busy people and are occupied with cases that they have immediate need to know about. I don't call my plumber when I decide to have new kitchen cabinets put in.

If you have need of a urologist in the future, you will go back to him, and he will look up exactly what you did at that time.

Incidentally, I recently met with 3 brain surgeons. After the first one, they each knew exactly whom I had already met with just by looking at my medical records. They gave me their opinions of the others. I don't think many people get a "3 bid" for this, but I felt I would interview 3 contractors for work on my house - it's the least I could do for work on my brain. I chose the one who had done thousands of these procedures.
Allen - not an MD
•PSA=7.3, prostate volume=55cc, 8/17 cores G6 5-35% involvement
•SBRT 9 yr onc. results •SBRT 7 yr QOL results
•treated 10/2010 at age 57 at UCLA,PSA now: 0.1,no lasting urinary, rectal or sexual SEs
my PC blog
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RobLee
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Joined : Apr 2017
Posts : 1266
Posted 8/14/2018 9:52 AM (GMT -7)
FWIW, the Uro who did my RP is a thousand miles from where I now live. I liked him and he treated me well. I wish he was still my doctor. I ended up with him when his partner retired, and he too would retire eventually anyway. So it was time to find a new Uro.

My current Uro is the one who did my AUS. I was not real happy with how that went. No, scratch that. I am very displeased with how that went. And now when I go to him with a problem he just brushes it aside. I get the feeling he prefers to work on patients who are sedated and doesn't know how to handle a conscious human being. He's a nice guy but I'm afraid not a very good doctor.

Time to move on and find another one, I suppose.

My RO who was right around the corner to our new home also retired this past year. No major impact there, though I will be stopping by his office today to ask about getting a copy of my mapping CT which might be useful as a baseline for comparison to last week's abdominal CT.
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