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alephnull
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Posted 5/30/2019 7:32 AM (GMT -7)
Appears to be nothing but is so much of something we don't really know.

Black Hole

I'm not sure what I missed, hope I wasn't setting anyone off.
My apologies if I did.
Peace to each of you.
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logoslidat
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Posted 5/30/2019 8:03 AM (GMT -7)
alephnull It had nothin do with you it is me...nothing is wrong with me...but some thing is the matter...fear not...I can handle.... Tud pock did right...and Mattam is not at fault either...there is no fault...it is over...Off to catch and surf some Tasmans...and chill with the turtles...the swell is still holding... some good hi energy pounders...I apologize to all I offended...logo
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alephnull
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Posted 5/30/2019 8:21 AM (GMT -7)
Enjoy the surf brother!!
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logoslidat
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Posted 5/30/2019 5:33 PM (GMT -7)
I did...surfing is such a cleanser...you>>>>>>> just keep on moving...alephnull…we'll keep it alive...the best thread I ever saw...
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alephnull
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Posted 5/31/2019 8:18 AM (GMT -7)
Not to start giving this thread substance, but I just didn't want to start another thread.
I like this guy's take on life.

Bjorn Andreas Bull-Hansen

back to our regularly scheduled thoughts on nothing/nirvana.
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halbert
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Posted 5/31/2019 1:25 PM (GMT -7)
it's hard to believe how broad and deep the subject of nothing has become.
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alephnull
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Posted 5/31/2019 1:42 PM (GMT -7)
I think that's what happens when you put a bunch of wizened old farts together.

Sit around drink some Guinness, smoke a doobie, sip a fine Brandy or Scotch and we pontificate.
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halbert
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Posted 5/31/2019 6:17 PM (GMT -7)
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing
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InTheShop
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Posted 6/1/2019 6:51 AM (GMT -7)
“Lovers and madmen have such seething brains,
Such shaping fantasies, that apprehend
More than cool reason ever comprehends.
The lunatic, the lover and the poet
Are of imagination all compact:
One sees more devils than vast hell can hold,
That is, the madman: the lover, all as frantic,
Sees Helen's beauty in a brow of Egypt:
The poet's eye, in fine frenzy rolling,
Doth glance from heaven to earth, from earth to heaven;
And as imagination bodies forth
The forms of things unknown, the poet's pen
Turns them to shapes and gives to airy nothing
A local habitation and a name.”

Note, when one quotes the Scottish Play, one must follow it up with a quote from "A Midsummer Night's Dream"
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halbert
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Posted 6/1/2019 10:49 AM (GMT -7)
In the Shop, I did not know that particular if/then construct.
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alephnull
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Posted 6/3/2019 6:46 AM (GMT -7)
My public education was lacking in classical literature except for my 8th grade English teacher Mrs Hamm, and my High School Lit teacher Mrs Ives.
Mrs Hamm exposed us to the Odyssey and searching for meaning through poetry.
Mrs Ives gave me Thoreau. These really formed much of who I am.

But, my favorite poem I found just a few years ago, If by Kipling.

For your reading pleasure.
If by Kipling
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81GyGuy
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Posted 6/4/2019 8:40 AM (GMT -7)
Yes, by all means, let's keep the nothingness of this nothing thread going, by searching into the formal structurization of nothing:

nihilism: (noun) (sing.) extreme skepticism maintaining that nothing in the world has a real existence.

Paradoxically, the number of sites that deal with nihilism in all its aspects is a lot more than nothing, and all the while it can be argued that all they have to say adds up to a lot of nothing.

Or maybe a formal view of it (nothing) is better achieved by looking at artistic attempts to capture it (nothing), that is, the essence of nothing.

So, something to look at, if you have nothing better to do:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=nothingness+in+nihilism+art&qpvt=nothingness+in+nihilism+art&form=igre

In any case, as far as nihilism goes, there's really nothing to it.
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GoBucks
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Posted 6/4/2019 9:03 AM (GMT -7)
I got nothing to say except........it is time for a statistical update starting from the original post to see who keeps posting here. alephnull is obviously way ahead.
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alephnull
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Posted 6/4/2019 12:37 PM (GMT -7)
Yes, I am, and proud of it!

But that's because my head is filled with zip, zero, nada. IE nothing
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InTheShop
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Posted 6/4/2019 1:16 PM (GMT -7)
I was just sitting here contemplating the difference between space and nothing.
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alephnull
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Posted 6/4/2019 1:35 PM (GMT -7)
Did you ever think about dimensions, area, and points.
Any one object occupies space and therefore has dimensions. Dimension is an infinite collection of points.
A cube that is 2x2x2 has 8 cubit units.

But any one point, has zero area.
Pick a corner of that cube, what is it's area?
0 units
At what point in time does an array of points acquire length, width, height.
How can it, if each individual point has zero area?

But that cube occupies space and is filled with possibly nothing...or maybe something
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halbert
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Posted 6/5/2019 4:24 AM (GMT -7)
Aleph, the points (and lines, which also have no thickness, area, etc), define the boundary...they have no area themselves, but they define a boundary which does have area or volume within the boundaries.

This is how we say that space is infinite but bounded.

Is it possible to consider the opposite of nothing, which is infinity as part of this discussion of nothingness?
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mattam
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Posted 6/5/2019 6:43 AM (GMT -7)
Yes, I believe the infinity twins are just about as bothersome as nothing, and deserve their due consideration .
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alephnull
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Posted 6/7/2019 7:12 AM (GMT -7)
I really need to think about nothing today.

I'm going to have an Axumin scan in a few weeks and that certainly is something.

I prefer the bliss of nothingness until then.................
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InTheShop
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Posted 6/7/2019 7:19 AM (GMT -7)
consider the space between electrons and the nucleus of the atom and how, despite the large void between particles, iron atoms make a very hard surface.
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mattam
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Posted 6/7/2019 7:54 AM (GMT -7)
So is it true if all the empty space (nothing?) is removed from our atoms we end the size of a sugar cube? Maybe we’re all a whole lot of nuthin.
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halbert
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Posted 6/7/2019 1:00 PM (GMT -7)
In reality, what we usually interpret as solid material is really the energy field between the particles. If we could just figure out how to disrupt that, we could align the particles making up a solid and slip between the empty spaces.
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InTheShop
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Posted 6/7/2019 1:10 PM (GMT -7)

halbert said...
In reality, what we usually interpret as solid material is really the energy field between the particles. If we could just figure out how to disrupt that, we could align the particles making up a solid and slip between the empty spaces.

I think cats can do that - at least mine seem to disappear and reappear even when faced with a firmly closed door.
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alephnull
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Posted 6/7/2019 1:41 PM (GMT -7)
Kind of how I slip out of work early on a Friday.
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81GyGuy
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Posted 6/7/2019 5:29 PM (GMT -7)
According to the article below:

We are 99.9999999 % empty space.

"Nuclei are around 100,000 times smaller than the atoms they’re housed in."

"If the nucleus were the size of a peanut, the atom would be about the size of a baseball stadium."

And if the space in all of us was condensed out, "... the entire human species would fit into the volume of a sugar cube."

Oh my!

https://www.sciencealert.com/99-9999999-of-your-body-is-empty-space
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