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On that fateful stormy night, did you take the red pill or the blue pill?

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The red pill - 88.9% - 8 votes
The blue pill - 11.1% - 1 votes
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81GyGuy
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Posted 5/29/2019 6:51 AM (GMT -7)
Were you ever, figuratively speaking, Neo?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=matrix+red+blue+pill+youtube&view=detail&mid=7f749fc1f4fce6fdefd67f749fc1f4fce6fdefd6&form=vire

Great scene from a great sci-fi film. Saw it again the other night on one of the movie channels.

For some reason it got me to thinking, as I was sitting there on the couch having watched it, does this movie-scene choice, with such ominous foreboding associated with it, apply itself in IRL situations?

(What an appropriate acronym to mention at this point! IRL, "in real life!" It was certainly Neo's goal, stated or otherwise, finding out what reality, real life was!).

So how does this apply to us? Well …

You accept the reality of your situation. You have PCa and you admit it. You know all your lab numbers and you have a pretty good idea what the outlook is likely to be for someone with your numbers. You also know you will fight this thing as hard as you can for as long as it takes.

You are quite willing to see just how far down the rabbit hole goes.

You took the red pill.

You're scared. You just want to go back to the way things were, before you got that horrible diagnosis. You don't want to go to all those appointments, let somebody else handle them for you. You abhor thinking about the treatment you must get. There are days when you just like to pretend that you don't have PCa at all, everything's fine, there's nothing to worry about.

You took the blue pill.

Or maybe the reality here is just the fact that you're here right now on this forum, which means you really did swallow the red one.

Otherwise, you wouldn't be here to learn, investigate, and pursue what this forum has to offer: the truth.

You come here often, maybe even daily, looking for information, or the kind of help and support that a seeker of the truth, whatever the truth is and wherever it may lead, is after.

Sounds like a red pill guy to me.

Yes, this thread is a bit of a ramble, just an outgrowth of the fantasy thought that occurred to me that evening after rewatching the Matrix, that my PCa journey sort of began when I was sitting in, if only in my mind, a kind of a dark room with rain and thunder outside, and there was a red pill and a blue pill in front of me, and I knew the way my PCa journey would go depended on which pill I took, and then I ... picked up and swallowed …

the red pill.

For me it was the only choice. If I had taken the blue pill I would be living an illusion, a life full of denial and fear. That's not me.

How about you? Was there, in a way, a red pill and a blue pill in front of you when your own journey began? Which one did you take?

Make of all this what you will. After all, it's just my own odd rambling on a summer's day.

But maybe there really is a point here. If so, then, like Morpheus, all I'm offering you is the truth, nothing more.
Age: 73
Chronic prostatitis (age 60 on)
BPH w/ urinary obstruction, 6/2011
TURP, 7/2011
Ongoing high PSA, 7/2011-12/2011
Biopsy, 12/2011: positive 3/12 (90%, 70%, 5%)
Gleason 6(3+3), T1c
No mets, PCa likely still organ contained
IMRT w/ HT (Lupron), 4/2012-6/2012
PSAs (since post-IMRT): 0.1 or lower

Post Edited (81GyGuy) : 5/29/2019 7:57:23 AM (GMT-6)

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ejc61
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Joined : Dec 2016
Posts : 133
Posted 5/29/2019 8:11 AM (GMT -7)
Red.
PSA:
2/16-5.2
5/16-2.8,fPSA-13.2%
10/16-4.6,fPSA-11.5%
1/17-4.4
dx:3/17;age 55
bx:3/12+;GS6;5%,5%,20%,28g confirmed by JH
OncoDX-19
mpMRI:7/17-(2) lesions (PI-RADS 3 and 2)
7/17-1.9
10/17-2.1
1/18-2.8
4/18-4.3
4/18 bx:4/12+;GS6;5%,5%,20%,30%,32g
JH-20% & 30% to 10% & 20%
11/18-5.1
1/19-3.5
mpMRI;1/19; no focal abnormalities consistent with PIRADS 3,4,5.
4/19-4.0
AS - Emory/Atlanta
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mattam
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Posts : 1931
Posted 5/29/2019 8:20 AM (GMT -7)
“Or maybe the reality here is just the fact that you're here right now on this forum, which means you really did swallow the red one.“

That was my thought as I started reading the OP. Most of the members in regular attendance probably took the red pill. Am I any better off than if I had been blissfully reinserted into the Matrix? Who knows? My GF thinks I might be better off paying less attention to PCa. She may have a valid point.
Part I
2015 (Age 54) PSA: 20.8
Bx: All cores high volume G7 (4+3)
RALP & Adjuvant RT
Pathology: G8 (4+4), focal areas of 5; Positive margins; 3 LNs negative
PSA nadir: 0.1
Steady PSA increase. June 2018: 22.3

Part II
2019
March: Lupron/Xtandi
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halbert
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Posts : 4366
Posted 5/29/2019 10:36 AM (GMT -7)
I took the red pill long before that particular day. Having watched my father deal with HIS PCa starting 20 years before, my choices were definitely informed by his experiences.
Age at Diagnosis: 56
RALP on 2/17/15, BJC St. Louis, Dr. Figenshau
58.5g, G3+4, 20%, 4 quadrants involved
PSA Non-Detect since April, 2015
My Story: www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=3300024
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GoBucks
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Joined : Jan 2018
Posts : 627
Posted 5/29/2019 11:40 AM (GMT -7)
Don't know about others but I'm singing:

One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all.......
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2019Guy
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Joined : Jan 2019
Posts : 150
Posted 5/29/2019 11:54 AM (GMT -7)
Since I've had, been treated for, and beat cancer before I've always been a red pill guy. Come to think of it, my rosy complexion preceded my previous stuff by a lot - watching my father go through 2 coronary bypass operations and other crap.

But I have a friend newly diagnosed with PCa, older and much worse off than I, who despite all my entreaties seems to be paddling blissfully through a blue world. Oh well.
Age 65
8/18: PSA 1.2
10/18: TRUS biopsy: Gleason 3+3=6.
Stage T1c. Vol 37.1cc.

12/18: MRI found 15.5mm diameter mass in prostate; quote: "This is considered a PI-RADS category 5 lesion"

1/4/19: UroNAV biopsy found one of 6 core biopsies Gleason 3+3=6; Confirmed G6 by Dr. Epstein 2/19.

3/19: Color Doppler Ultrasound by Dr. Duke Bahn; recommendation: AS; volume 32 cc; PSA 1.8
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Blackjack
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Posts : 805
Posted 5/29/2019 1:59 PM (GMT -7)
Stick with the Vitamin V, the blue one.
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logoslidat
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Posts : 6623
Posted 5/29/2019 6:09 PM (GMT -7)
Yeh and the orgy scene in the third one really inspired me as to why they were willing to fight so hard for their freedom...sic...
gleason 9 contained stopped psa testing jan 2015 with two consecutive psa's a year apart at 0.15
surgery 10/09 only treatment...eyes wide open...no sand...gonna live til I die...not the reverse forgive my virtues as well as my sins...
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mspt98
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Joined : Dec 2008
Posts : 455
Posted 5/29/2019 7:42 PM (GMT -7)
I have to say I am Joe Pantoliano, “ if only I had taken the blue pill, ignorance is bliss...”
My age= 52 at time of diagnosis
DRE=negative,
PSA went from 1.9 to 2.85 in one year, biopsy ordered,
2 cores positive, one 5%,one 25% G=6
Bilateral nerve sparing robotic surgery on 09/11/08, pathological stage T2A,
No signs of spread, organ confined,
all PSA'S 0 since surgery, diagnosed with low T, doing TRT now, still using trimix for ED
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RobLee
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Posts : 1266
Posted 5/30/2019 8:33 AM (GMT -7)
I took both. I knew there was something wrong and desperately NEEDED to get to the bottom of it. And so I took the red pill. But the initial negative biopsy pretty much blew that out of the water, so I took the blue pill for a while, thinking "eventually" this urologist will stumble upon the cause. Blue pill... get on with life, try to act like you don't know what's actually going on.

Eventually a couple years later, I swallowed the red pill again big time. Oddly, when all this had begun, just months before that fateful biopsy, I was taking two antibiotics... cephalexin, which had always worked for like 30 years for a H&N issue I had. It came in a bright red capsule. And when it failed to relieve my symptoms, I was given Clindamycin, which came in a deep blue capsule.

Three months later I had that biopsy... and I'm still trying to climb out of the rabbit hole. I still keep both red and blue caps on hand. Sort of like my 'Inception' spinning top.
2014-15: PSA's 9, 12, 20, 25, Neg DRE's, false neg TRUS biopsy
6/16: New Uro, MRI Fusion biopsy, 6+Gr4 Rt Base (2x40%+2x100) G8(4+4)
8/16: DaVinci RP, 3 foci EPE, PNI, 11 LN-, 53g, 25%, BL SVI, pT3b
1/17: Began Lupron ADT, PSA's ~.03
5/17: AMS800 implant, revised 6/17
8/17: 39 tx RapidArc IMRT (70 Gy)
1/18, 4/18, 7/18, 1/19: PSA's <0.008, T=9
2018: Dx Radiation Colitis & other weird stuff
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InTheShop
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Joined : Jan 2012
Posts : 11071
Posted 5/30/2019 9:09 PM (GMT -7)
green
I'll be in the shop.
Age 59, 52 at DX
PSA:
4.2 10/11, 1.9 6/12, 1.2 12/12, 1.0 5/13, .6 11/13,
.7 5/14, .5 10/14, .5 4/15, .3 10/15, .3 4/16, .4 10/16, .4 5/17, .3 10/17 .3 4/18, .4 11/18
G 3+4
Stage T1C
2 out of 14 cores positive
Treatment IGRT - 2/2012
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logoslidat
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Posts : 6623
Posted 5/30/2019 11:24 PM (GMT -7)
I think in the shop is close...imo...it really is the mind that controls the body...so all variations and shades of mind will do the trick...that is my illusion...and respect others delusions...so respect mind...10 years gl9...riddled with cancer...maybe...maybe not...it seriously is not an issue for me...I wish it was not such a big issue for anyone regardless of the mildness of diagnosis.to the severest imaginable

it is our differences that define and re find us...umm...I got it...yes why didn't I think of this before...' I think...therefore...I am...' I could write that in pig latin...but that was back in the day

any resemblance to the living or the dead is a pearl and incidental ….so don't have a cow
gleason 9 contained stopped psa testing jan 2015 with two consecutive psa's a year apart at 0.15
surgery 10/09 only treatment...eyes wide open...no sand...gonna live til I die...not the reverse forgive my virtues as well as my sins...

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logoslidat
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Posts : 6623
Posted 5/31/2019 5:10 PM (GMT -7)
I always judge the effect of my (yours?) words by the silence after the last push of air thrusts...…"I know its crazy...but its true:" (love that song but can not pace it}...not to leave ya hanging....naw...I'll leave ya hanging......I mean the bad dog needs a bone now and then...the real question is...and this is coming...mark it...what will I do...when my thought processes are realized by most...its already happening...doncha know...Under Pressure...What did Scarlet say...ummm...key point...It was after Rhett had his say...nice try...… yeh its just mind frack !01...but ya keep coming back...I know...I know>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>< I have no idea what that means...but y'all will come up with sumpin
gleason 9 contained stopped psa testing jan 2015 with two consecutive psa's a year apart at 0.15
surgery 10/09 only treatment...eyes wide open...no sand...gonna live til I die...not the reverse forgive my virtues as well as my sins...
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