Stephen S said...
Stephen, I think your "...equivalent to a cold..." comments may not be borne out by the facts.
but comparing colds to COVID-19 is apples and oranges
If you were to look at the IFR by age group you might think differently. https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863
Age Group, IFR
5-9 Years, 0.0016% or .016 people per thousand infected
10-19, 0.00032% or 0.0032 people per thousand infected
20-49, 0.0092% or 0.092 people per thousand infected
50-64, 0.14% or 14 people per thousand infected
65 and over, 5.6% or 56 per thousand infected
If you are younger than 55 this is a non-event. That my brothers, is what the data show. For this virus, it sucks to be us but we should not be punishing our children/grandchildren because we need to stay somewhat isolated.
So Stephen S...do you have children? and even if not...are you concerned that there may be long term cosequences for them...at any age... refering...not to getting over sniffles and/or common cold symptoms but to long term effects not even known in their development
I have three. Two out of the nest and one starting college (tomorrow!). Yes I do have concerns for long term consequences, but not medical. The whizkids in DC are printing what like ~10 trillion dollars in helicopter money, adding to the debasement of our currency which could ultimately make the covid “crisis” look lime a walk in the park. I have spent the last 30 years of my life trying to make it so they will do better than me, and I have a legitimate fear that was all undone because of the overreaction to the virus.
I think we are dooming our children to a life of misery because we are petrified of the virus.
And those are some valid points, or as I like to say: good food for thought. Much damage has been done and is being done other than the deaths from the virus.
And as all of this damage(death and everything else) goes on and on, the country continues to 100% ignore- most will not even mention possible non-medical approaches(much discussed here already) that may well slash those rates significantly further. And even if they did not would be pretty harmless and very cheap to try. But still ignored by our authorities and most of our doctors and by the vast majority of our population. ( But I'm willing to bet not ignored by most of the HWPC members, but that is just a guess on my part. )
And then there are the non traditional medical approaches(IV vitamin C + steroid) some prominent critical care docs are using, and these guys are claiming astounding success. But it won't even be mentioned by those in power. All studies have shown very low SEs, it is cheap and readily available, so why are not a large number of medical providers trying it? Just give it a try.
And then there is the pure drug approach, cheap and available, Y'all know the one. Several studies showing very low side effects. Some countries using it ( like India ) an reporting 30 deaths per million(we wish). But here, despite it's long established safety profile(pretty safe for a drug), it has been virtually banned by docs who want to use it, and some who have spoken up in it's favor have been banned from social media and/or fired from their jobs. Insanity. Some of this almost seems as though it has a religious persecution vibe. As though some doctor has spoken blasphemy. Since risk appears low, and some are reporting such success, and it is dirt cheap and readily available, why not give it a wide spread try? Do you have something better? It would seem not.
And then there is the nation who took more of a hands off approach, and was soundly verbally thrashed by most of the nations for doing so, but have been down to 1 or 2 deaths per day since the end of July. They don't even have a mask mandate. (and one can't help but wonder if the banned drug is used there as it is in Switzerland and India) My small state of 3 million is very envious of the concept of 2 deaths per day. (more like 20-40 for us, and we have mask mandates and distancing still in effect)) We are getting hit hard for trying to come out of a lock down(or whatever you might call it, certainly some severe restrictions and businesses closed) that they never even bothered with. And hit harder in many ways other than deaths from the disease. I can't help but ask about
this country: why do they not have the highest death rates in the world(they are barely ahead of the USA and we are rising as they are falling, and 1/2 a dozen other nations have far more deaths per million than them). And they are decreasing down to almost zero new deaths while all their neighbors are spiking up. Heck, even New Zealand had to close back down. What's going on? Maybe we don't know as much about
this disease as we think we do?
I don't know. Stephen, I don't know if you are right or way off base. But I think you make some very good points and give us much food for thought, and I thank you for doing so! Also, whoever quoted C.S. Lewis(sp?) a while back, I loved that quote! Sounded like something George Orwell could have also related to.
Stay safe, Brothers!
Post Edited (BillyBob@388) : 8/16/2020 5:17:34 PM (GMT-6)